Maul lead End game

Maul end game for arena - is not top 20 caliber at this time. On some shards could you get 1 with Maul led team - possibly - but you'll drop like a rock on D and vs. many teams you'll struggle to win. All leaderboards vary though so you'll need to assess if you see a lot of R2 / GK / Chaze / Thrawn / Rex , etc.well-built teams.

In all shards without prevalent R2, zMaul is still very good.

"Drazz127;c-1184818" wrote:
In all shards without prevalent R2, zMaul is still very good.

It stays in top 50, but no more

zMaul still gets rank 1 easy in my shard. Late Dec '16. Some in my guild in very old shards still use Zaul and finish at the top. It's not dead, people just like change.

"Drazz127;c-1184834" wrote:
zMaul still gets rank 1 easy in my shard. Late Dec '16. Some in my guild in very old shards still use Zaul and finish at the top. It's not dead, people just like change.

Might not be 100% dead, but it's at the tail end of its curve - not great timing to just now be jumping on board.

The better zMaul team I see, no longer include SA. When zMaul was the meta it was all about outspeeding the other zMaul team. Against teams I currently see in the arena, turn order would be very important for a zMaul team. SA throws that out of whack. zMaul, SiT, zSavage, zDN, zKylo is probably your best bet if you want to run zMaul.

"JohnnySteelAlpha;c-1184893" wrote:

"Drazz127;c-1184834" wrote:
zMaul still gets rank 1 easy in my shard. Late Dec '16. Some in my guild in very old shards still use Zaul and finish at the top. It's not dead, people just like change.

Might not be 100% dead, but it's at the tail end of its curve - not great timing to just now be jumping on board.

My Zaul team finishes 1st daily, stays top 15 overnight. Nov 16 shard.
https://swgoh.gg/u/huatimus/

At any rate, look at the meta report for rank 1 leaders. It's the second most used lead after Rex so there's still a fair number of Zaul finishing first daily and easily. Just because it does not work in your shard is not representative of all shards. And I'm willing to bet OP is on a not so mature shard.

"Dark_Helmet152;c-1184913" wrote:
The better zMaul team I see, no longer include SA. When zMaul was the meta it was all about outspeeding the other zMaul team. Against teams I currently see in the arena, turn order would be very important for a zMaul team. SA throws that out of whack. zMaul, SiT, zSavage, zDN, zKylo is probably your best bet if you want to run zMaul.

There's too many Rex leads out there, better to have a known turn order like having AOE Daze first on Rex than to have SA give you randomised turn order and screw up the fight.

@Huatimus I don't run Zaul, but I do run Zader. Other sith include DN and SA. I've modded DV to go before DN. He always does after dark shroud.

Am I missing something here. Doesn't the fastest modded toon have the most TM to start the match. Wouldn't your fastest modded sith go first after dusk shroud? By the "random sith" logic, how is SA always going first if Zaul grants TM before a turn? I'm genuinely confused. My DN has never gone before DV.

When TM is 100% for multiple Sith, order is randomised. For DV lead, it is not that difficult to determine turn order since SA Dark Shroud only gives 24% TM. So for example, SA is at 250 speed, DV only needs to be 190 speed or more to go next after SA. DN needs to be 189 or lower to go after DV.

Under Zaul lead however, SA Dark Shroud gives 36% TM. At 250 speed, the 20%TM from Zaul and 36%TM from SA will easily push most Sith to 100%. In order to determine turn order, you would need to reduce to 137 speed or lower.

Better alternative is to not run SA at all. I've pushed the speed on my Sith in this order, Zaul 215, EP 214, DN 213, DV 212. That's faster than most Rex teams, thus Zaul will always go first and land aoe Daze.