Hey All,I am a long time player who still seems to struggle with mods (I am sure I am not alone). I have been using Crouching Rancor for mod advice for awhile, but I always wonder if what they suggest is best. Sometimes it seems a little lazy and lacking in creativity. What I mean by this is it looks like everyone needs a Speed primary on Arrow - I get that is ideal in most situations, but it couldn't be an absolute must across the board. Also, most of the toons I have looked at require CC and CD, but should that be the most common pairing?? It also misses any suggestions with respect to secondaries.I have also started reading the mod articles on Gaming Fans. This seems to get a bit more creative and actually dives into the reasoning behind why they set up the mods the way they did. They also touch on the recommended secondaries. However, Gaming Fans and Crouching Rancor hardly ever seem to agree on which mods to put where. And since I have been using CR for so long, I do not know which to trust at this point.TL/DR I am trying to understand where others go to help them make educated decisions regarding modding their toons and maybe why they use that particular resource. As an aside, does any one know of any third party sites that offer the mod manager tool that CR used to have??Thanks!-Z

@Zerfius The answer to the arrow question is Speed 90% of the time. The other 10% is for certain tanks that you don't want taking turns (Baze and Sith Trooper are the two that come to mind). I run Protection on my Sith Trooper because the extra 10k protection will be more impactful than one or two more turns. Other tanks that have useful abilities (Old Ben, GK, Shoretrooper) need turns, so speed is better than surviving one or two more attacks.The best general advice I could give would be to go to your arena shard rankings and look at the top teams to see how they mod certain characters. In general, this will give you a good idea what works and what doesn't.

Honestly, for almist every single character, you need a speed set

Honestly I play with crit dmg set on 2 toons in my arena team. If I would have more good speed secondaries on crit dmg mods everyone would have full crit dmg set. It is changing a lot fights in arena. With speed set I have to take more turns to win. With crit dmg first toon is dead in one turn. I play Empire switching beetwen Thrawn or Palp as a leader so my team is having many turns from tm gain. Vader for example doesnt need speed set and speed as a primary on arrow. Against CLS under Palp, Vader always goes first with 60speed from mods, against Palp team, Thrawn lead gives so much tm that whole team goes after opponent's Vader.

There are only a handful of characters that don't really need speed arrow, like Baze Malbus for one (I put +24% Crit Avoidance). Some characters don’t need to go fast to put out damage if they counterattack a lot.

I disagree wholeheartedly with gawejn.If my team has more speed, i woll het to stun you and disable you before you get a turn.He mentioned vader as an examplex and my answer is that a faster vader will wreck the slower vader every time.You cant just rely on the turn meter gains for your time.Instead, combine thise turn meter gains with faster speed and you will win easier than waiting for a big hit which never slcomes because the faster team stunned and fractured you.While i still have cc+cd on my han solo, he has the only set with great speed secondaries. He is the exception for me. He can be 10% slower than CLS because cls gives the team turn meter. But before i had that 1 really good cc+cd set, the speed set allowed me to get the job done. But this isthe exception that proves the rule for me.

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Gawejn1000
7 years ago

"Mobewan;c-1484240" wrote:
U r still missing the point entirely

When someone has nothing to say and dont want to see different perspective is writing this statement. I dont need to be right, but prefer to see things as they are. General statements like speed arrow must be speed are not true always. Faster Vader will deafet slower Vader is also not true. Details about mods are important in the light of team composition and opponent team. Speed set is not always better couse full crit dmg gives plus 66% dmg more. It means your team has high chance to finish one toon much faster. When this is happening fight is won. Idea who goes first - win is old idea in this game and it is not valid anymore. Game is different than year ago when Sthan went first and that was over. Now tm gain together with speed is critical. Someone wrote about TFP under Tarkin with 299 speed. Great but Tarkin lead is not so good. So TFP can be fast but team will loose against teams with %tm gain. So mods should be consider about team composition.
But for this player needs to think, use the mind. It can be painfull ;)
Nokhai85
7 years ago
I don't have Thrawn and probably won't be getting him again the next time it shows up as i still think it's not worth investing in the most useless toons in this game,namely Phoenix squad.So i have to use three tanks or just go full AoE.Even with these two patches i still can't win agains JTR.That is what killed this game,the introduction of JTR.One toon that only works in one team and only available to the p2p guys.
Gawejn1000
7 years ago
"Nokhai;c-1484275" wrote:
I don't have Thrawn and probably won't be getting him again the next time it shows up as i still think it's not worth investing in the most useless toons in this game,namely Phoenix squad.So i have to use three tanks or just go full AoE.Even with these two patches i still can't win agains JTR.That is what killed this game,the introduction of JTR.One toon that only works in one team and only available to the p2p guys.

Against JTR You need Palp as a leader. Tarkin, Vader, Shore and Deathtrooper. And this team should do well. IPD would be better than DT.
Nokhai85
7 years ago
"Gawejn;c-1484287" wrote:
"Nokhai;c-1484275" wrote:
I don't have Thrawn and probably won't be getting him again the next time it shows up as i still think it's not worth investing in the most useless toons in this game,namely Phoenix squad.So i have to use three tanks or just go full AoE.Even with these two patches i still can't win agains JTR.That is what killed this game,the introduction of JTR.One toon that only works in one team and only available to the p2p guys.

Against JTR You need Palp as a leader. Tarkin, Vader, Shore and Deathtrooper. And this team should do well. IPD would be better than DT.

Tried this as well,It does not work and i don't understand why Nihilus's Drain Force does not affect BB8 as he uses Secret Intel after Secret Intel no matter what.
Gawejn1000
7 years ago
"Nokhai;c-1484289" wrote:
"Gawejn;c-1484287" wrote:
"Nokhai;c-1484275" wrote:
I don't have Thrawn and probably won't be getting him again the next time it shows up as i still think it's not worth investing in the most useless toons in this game,namely Phoenix squad.So i have to use three tanks or just go full AoE.Even with these two patches i still can't win agains JTR.That is what killed this game,the introduction of JTR.One toon that only works in one team and only available to the p2p guys.

Against JTR You need Palp as a leader. Tarkin, Vader, Shore and Deathtrooper. And this team should do well. IPD would be better than DT.

Tried this as well,It does not work and i don't understand why Nihilus's Drain Force does not affect BB8 as he uses Secret Intel after Secret Intel no matter what.

You must be doing something wrong than. Dont use Nihilus, i didnt mention him.
Nokhai85
7 years ago
"Gawejn;c-1484292" wrote:
"Nokhai;c-1484289" wrote:
"Gawejn;c-1484287" wrote:
"Nokhai;c-1484275" wrote:
I don't have Thrawn and probably won't be getting him again the next time it shows up as i still think it's not worth investing in the most useless toons in this game,namely Phoenix squad.So i have to use three tanks or just go full AoE.Even with these two patches i still can't win agains JTR.That is what killed this game,the introduction of JTR.One toon that only works in one team and only available to the p2p guys.

Against JTR You need Palp as a leader. Tarkin, Vader, Shore and Deathtrooper. And this team should do well. IPD would be better than DT.

Tried this as well,It does not work and i don't understand why Nihilus's Drain Force does not affect BB8 as he uses Secret Intel after Secret Intel no matter what.

You must be doing something wrong than. Dont use Nihilus, i didnt mention him.

But to use that you have to have one hell of a speedy Deathtrooper.And Shore will be taken out of the equation pretty fast.I tried it with three tanks,Palp,Vader,Shore,Sith Trooper and GK and still got nothing.After that i just gave up.Anyways thanks for the advice.
Gawejn1000
7 years ago
"Nokhai;c-1484299" wrote:
"Gawejn;c-1484292" wrote:
"Nokhai;c-1484289" wrote:
"Gawejn;c-1484287" wrote:
"Nokhai;c-1484275" wrote:
I don't have Thrawn and probably won't be getting him again the next time it shows up as i still think it's not worth investing in the most useless toons in this game,namely Phoenix squad.So i have to use three tanks or just go full AoE.Even with these two patches i still can't win agains JTR.That is what killed this game,the introduction of JTR.One toon that only works in one team and only available to the p2p guys.

Against JTR You need Palp as a leader. Tarkin, Vader, Shore and Deathtrooper. And this team should do well. IPD would be better than DT.

Tried this as well,It does not work and i don't understand why Nihilus's Drain Force does not affect BB8 as he uses Secret Intel after Secret Intel no matter what.

You must be doing something wrong than. Dont use Nihilus, i didnt mention him.

But to use that you have to have one hell of a speedy Deathtrooper.And Shore will be taken out of the equation pretty fast.I tried it with three tanks,Palp,Vader,Shore,Sith Trooper and GK and still got nothing.After that i just gave up.Anyways thanks for the advice.

You need Tarkin to slow them and shut their offense and TM gain, You need Deathtrooper couse You need dispeller, otherwise ID will finish You. You need fast Shore. Or only GK. He would be better than Shore. There is no space for three tanks and against JTR it wont work. Tarkin is very helpfull. You need both zetas on Palp and should have a lot protection. Also with Tarkin there is a trick to increase dmg on his aoe, the best would be to put on him full crit dmg, and use his aoe after 4,5 shots from basic with offense buff from Palp. His aoe does special dmg so if this will crit it can deal high dmg. I saw Tarkin killing whole teams with it in arena.
trystanspyder
7 years ago
"Nokhai;c-1484275" wrote:
...the most useless toons in this game,namely Phoenix squad...

Not sure how you can come to that conclusion, since Phoenix:
Get you Thrawn
Get you Chimera
Get you Palpatine
Auto Clear GW
Do well in TW and TB
Have a pair of powerful fleet ships

About the only thing they can't do is solo raids or hold up in end game arena.
Nokhai85
7 years ago
"Gawejn;c-1484307" wrote:
"Nokhai;c-1484299" wrote:
"Gawejn;c-1484292" wrote:
"Nokhai;c-1484289" wrote:
"Gawejn;c-1484287" wrote:
"Nokhai;c-1484275" wrote:
I don't have Thrawn and probably won't be getting him again the next time it shows up as i still think it's not worth investing in the most useless toons in this game,namely Phoenix squad.So i have to use three tanks or just go full AoE.Even with these two patches i still can't win agains JTR.That is what killed this game,the introduction of JTR.One toon that only works in one team and only available to the p2p guys.

Against JTR You need Palp as a leader. Tarkin, Vader, Shore and Deathtrooper. And this team should do well. IPD would be better than DT.

Tried this as well,It does not work and i don't understand why Nihilus's Drain Force does not affect BB8 as he uses Secret Intel after Secret Intel no matter what.

You must be doing something wrong than. Dont use Nihilus, i didnt mention him.

But to use that you have to have one hell of a speedy Deathtrooper.And Shore will be taken out of the equation pretty fast.I tried it with three tanks,Palp,Vader,Shore,Sith Trooper and GK and still got nothing.After that i just gave up.Anyways thanks for the advice.

You need Tarkin to slow them and shut their offense and TM gain, You need Deathtrooper couse You need dispeller, otherwise ID will finish You. You need fast Shore. Or only GK. He would be better than Shore. There is no space for three tanks and against JTR it wont work. Tarkin is very helpfull. You need both zetas on Palp and should have a lot protection. Also with Tarkin there is a trick to increase dmg on his aoe, the best would be to put on him full crit dmg, and use his aoe after 4,5 shots from basic with offense buff from Palp. His aoe does special dmg so if this will crit it can deal high dmg. I saw Tarkin killing whole teams with it in arena.

I use Tarkin in my arena team and funny thing is that against JTR teams JTR always goes for my Tarkin.And i mean ALWAYS.She puts Mind Tricks on him and then every single attack goes on him.And i don't understand why this happens everytime.My Tarkin has only potency mods on him (216 speed and over 100 potency) with both zetas on him and G12.
Gawejn1000
7 years ago
"Nokhai;c-1484324" wrote:
"Gawejn;c-1484307" wrote:
"Nokhai;c-1484299" wrote:
"Gawejn;c-1484292" wrote:
"Nokhai;c-1484289" wrote:
"Gawejn;c-1484287" wrote:
"Nokhai;c-1484275" wrote:
I don't have Thrawn and probably won't be getting him again the next time it shows up as i still think it's not worth investing in the most useless toons in this game,namely Phoenix squad.So i have to use three tanks or just go full AoE.Even with these two patches i still can't win agains JTR.That is what killed this game,the introduction of JTR.One toon that only works in one team and only available to the p2p guys.

Against JTR You need Palp as a leader. Tarkin, Vader, Shore and Deathtrooper. And this team should do well. IPD would be better than DT.

Tried this as well,It does not work and i don't understand why Nihilus's Drain Force does not affect BB8 as he uses Secret Intel after Secret Intel no matter what.

You must be doing something wrong than. Dont use Nihilus, i didnt mention him.

But to use that you have to have one hell of a speedy Deathtrooper.And Shore will be taken out of the equation pretty fast.I tried it with three tanks,Palp,Vader,Shore,Sith Trooper and GK and still got nothing.After that i just gave up.Anyways thanks for the advice.

You need Tarkin to slow them and shut their offense and TM gain, You need Deathtrooper couse You need dispeller, otherwise ID will finish You. You need fast Shore. Or only GK. He would be better than Shore. There is no space for three tanks and against JTR it wont work. Tarkin is very helpfull. You need both zetas on Palp and should have a lot protection. Also with Tarkin there is a trick to increase dmg on his aoe, the best would be to put on him full crit dmg, and use his aoe after 4,5 shots from basic with offense buff from Palp. His aoe does special dmg so if this will crit it can deal high dmg. I saw Tarkin killing whole teams with it in arena.

I use Tarkin in my arena team and funny thing is that against JTR teams JTR always goes for my Tarkin.And i mean ALWAYS.She puts Mind Tricks on him and then every single attack goes on him.And i don't understand why this happens everytime.My Tarkin has only potency mods on him (216 speed and over 100 potency) with both zetas on him and G12.

That is strange :) , solution is simple, pretaunter. Shore. By the way nice Tarkin. Mine is almost g11, but no zeta. I dont like JTR and I can beat them but i have no fun. I use Krenic DT duo against them and if Krenic will show the power so basic on Rey is 35k, that is the reason of crit dmg set. I got few high crit chance secondaries like 7% so Krenic with 42% crit chance crits on Rey often. Few shots and she is gone. Nice thing about Krenic DT duo that this combo is strong and complete synergy. Many times when my Thrawn was dead those two with support of two tanks were finishing full CLS teams. If Krenic would some sort of cleaning for Empire I would play him as a Leader.

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