Mod Advice

Thank you to everyone for participating. I did not intend for this to become a debate on whether or not speed mods or speed secondaries were necessary, but to identify the best resource for overall mod advice. @Dryff thank you for that feedback about checking the leaders on my shard. That is useful, but that mostly helps for the meta toons only. I am unlikely to find a full Imperial Trooper squad anywhere near the top of leaderboard. Or there may be some random that I want to try out or build up just for TB.

I will ask again, is there any resource you all use to plan out or determine which mods are best your your toons? I have used Crouching Rancor and Gaming Fans - they seldom agree on what mods are best.

"Gawejn;c-1484423" wrote:

"Nokhai;c-1484324" wrote:

"Gawejn;c-1484307" wrote:

"Nokhai;c-1484299" wrote:

"Gawejn;c-1484292" wrote:

"Nokhai;c-1484289" wrote:

"Gawejn;c-1484287" wrote:

"Nokhai;c-1484275" wrote:
I don't have Thrawn and probably won't be getting him again the next time it shows up as i still think it's not worth investing in the most useless toons in this game,namely Phoenix squad.So i have to use three tanks or just go full AoE.Even with these two patches i still can't win agains JTR.That is what killed this game,the introduction of JTR.One toon that only works in one team and only available to the p2p guys.

Against JTR You need Palp as a leader. Tarkin, Vader, Shore and Deathtrooper. And this team should do well. IPD would be better than DT.

Tried this as well,It does not work and i don't understand why Nihilus's Drain Force does not affect BB8 as he uses Secret Intel after Secret Intel no matter what.

You must be doing something wrong than. Dont use Nihilus, i didnt mention him.

But to use that you have to have one hell of a speedy Deathtrooper.And Shore will be taken out of the equation pretty fast.I tried it with three tanks,Palp,Vader,Shore,Sith Trooper and GK and still got nothing.After that i just gave up.Anyways thanks for the advice.

You need Tarkin to slow them and shut their offense and TM gain, You need Deathtrooper couse You need dispeller, otherwise ID will finish You. You need fast Shore. Or only GK. He would be better than Shore. There is no space for three tanks and against JTR it wont work. Tarkin is very helpfull. You need both zetas on Palp and should have a lot protection. Also with Tarkin there is a trick to increase dmg on his aoe, the best would be to put on him full crit dmg, and use his aoe after 4,5 shots from basic with offense buff from Palp. His aoe does special dmg so if this will crit it can deal high dmg. I saw Tarkin killing whole teams with it in arena.

I use Tarkin in my arena team and funny thing is that against JTR teams JTR always goes for my Tarkin.And i mean ALWAYS.She puts Mind Tricks on him and then every single attack goes on him.And i don't understand why this happens everytime.My Tarkin has only potency mods on him (216 speed and over 100 potency) with both zetas on him and G12.

That is strange :) , solution is simple, pretaunter. Shore. By the way nice Tarkin. Mine is almost g11, but no zeta. I dont like JTR and I can beat them but i have no fun. I use Krenic DT duo against them and if Krenic will show the power so basic on Rey is 35k, that is the reason of crit dmg set. I got few high crit chance secondaries like 7% so Krenic with 42% crit chance crits on Rey often. Few shots and she is gone. Nice thing about Krenic DT duo that this combo is strong and complete synergy. Many times when my Thrawn was dead those two with support of two tanks were finishing full CLS teams. If Krenic would some sort of cleaning for Empire I would play him as a Leader.

Thanks!Tarkin is amazing both as a character in the arena and as a fleet commander.He's just perfect in the actual meta especially against NS teams.I don't regret investing in him at all.

"Gawejn;c-1484272" wrote:

"Mobewan;c-1484240" wrote:
U r still missing the point entirely

When someone has nothing to say and dont want to see different perspective is writing this statement. I dont need to be right, but prefer to see things as they are. General statements like speed arrow must be speed are not true always. Faster Vader will deafet slower Vader is also not true. Details about mods are important in the light of team composition and opponent team. Speed set is not always better couse full crit dmg gives plus 66% dmg more. It means your team has high chance to finish one toon much faster. When this is happening fight is won. Idea who goes first - win is old idea in this game and it is not valid anymore. Game is different than year ago when Sthan went first and that was over. Now tm gain together with speed is critical. Someone wrote about TFP under Tarkin with 299 speed. Great but Tarkin lead is not so good. So TFP can be fast but team will loose against teams with %tm gain. So mods should be consider about team composition.
But for this player needs to think, use the mind. It can be painfull ;)

@Gawejn
You wrote above:
- now tm gain together with speed is critical

Finally, you have undestood my point.

Tm gain, no speed, no good
Any team, no speed, no good

However, you wrote:
- full crit damage guves plus 66% more damage

That is absolutely false. You are absolutely wrong. A crit damage set instead of a speed set will give yoylu far less tham 15% more total damage

Please learm about the game properly before spreading false information.

"Zerfius;c-1485496" wrote:
Thank you to everyone for participating. I did not intend for this to become a debate on whether or not speed mods or speed secondaries were necessary, but to identify the best resource for overall mod advice. @Dryff thank you for that feedback about checking the leaders on my shard. That is useful, but that mostly helps for the meta toons only. I am unlikely to find a full Imperial Trooper squad anywhere near the top of leaderboard. Or there may be some random that I want to try out or build up just for TB.

I will ask again, is there any resource you all use to plan out or determine which mods are best your your toons? I have used Crouching Rancor and Gaming Fans - they seldom agree on what mods are best.

Personally I just use my own judgement based on what they need and what I have. That doesn't really help you but there ya go lol

"Mobewan;c-1485666" wrote:

"Gawejn;c-1484272" wrote:

"Mobewan;c-1484240" wrote:
U r still missing the point entirely

When someone has nothing to say and dont want to see different perspective is writing this statement. I dont need to be right, but prefer to see things as they are. General statements like speed arrow must be speed are not true always. Faster Vader will deafet slower Vader is also not true. Details about mods are important in the light of team composition and opponent team. Speed set is not always better couse full crit dmg gives plus 66% dmg more. It means your team has high chance to finish one toon much faster. When this is happening fight is won. Idea who goes first - win is old idea in this game and it is not valid anymore. Game is different than year ago when Sthan went first and that was over. Now tm gain together with speed is critical. Someone wrote about TFP under Tarkin with 299 speed. Great but Tarkin lead is not so good. So TFP can be fast but team will loose against teams with %tm gain. So mods should be consider about team composition.
But for this player needs to think, use the mind. It can be painfull ;)

@Gawejn
You wrote above:
- now tm gain together with speed is critical

Finally, you have undestood my point.

Tm gain, no speed, no good
Any team, no speed, no good

However, you wrote:
- full crit damage guves plus 66% more damage

That is absolutely false. You are absolutely wrong. A crit damage set instead of a speed set will give yoylu far less tham 15% more total damage

Please learm about the game properly before spreading false information.

First You have no idea what You are talking about. If 150% crit is 15k so 100% is 10k. If You have full crit dmg it is 66% more so from 15k it should be around 21k. So 6k dmg more from 15k is around 40% more dmg. So go again to primary school and learn how to count.
Second You are deluded about yourself and your abilities to think. You think that I didnt know that tm gain plus speed is important first than speed alone. You are deluded again. It means also You dont understand what You read, like half of information filtered by your week thinking process. If You want to talk with me get out from position of being right and I am wrong using false statements like this 15% of more dmg. And based on false You give me advices about learning. Are out of your mind?

"Gawejn;c-1485724" wrote:


First You have no idea what You are talking about. If 150% crit is 15k so 100% is 10k. If You have full crit dmg it is 66% more so from 15k it should be around 21k. So 6k dmg more from 15k is around 40% more dmg. So go again to primary school and learn how to count.
Second You are deluded about yourself and your abilities to think. You think that I didnt know that tm gain plus speed is important first than speed alone. You are deluded again. It means also You dont understand what You read, like half of information filtered by your week thinking process. If You want to talk with me get out from position of being right and I am wrong using false statements like this 15% of more dmg. And based on false You give me advices about learning. Are out of your mind?

I remember a proverb about people in glass houses throwing stones...

You might want to lay off calling out others when most of what you just typed is barely comprehensible.

@Gawejn @Mobewan Since neither of you will agree with each other, and you both completely missed the point of my post, can you please stop hijacking my thread so that I might get the information I am looking for!?
Thanks!
-Z

@Zerfius
I was answering your thread question.

Sadly, from my experience getting top reward in arena, speed sets work better for most characters and teams than what crouching rancor or whatever other sites advise.

There are many great threads that show the math for extra damage from cc/cd sets and it is much less than some people think, because they forget to factor in the crit chance and that after you have crit damage triangle the 30% from the set is only 16% of the 180% crit damage you already have. So ifyour crit chance is 50%, the crit damage set is only 8% damage increase from just having the crit damage triangle. If you have a godly set with +120 speed, by all means, put it on your highest damage character.

For secondaries, the priority should be speed above all else. Of course, if one mod has 15 speed + 4% crit chance, and another mod has 16 speed and no crit chance, you can sacrifice 1 speed.
Other than speed, you have to understand the characters you are using and see if they need damage or potency, but 1% potency wont be more important than 15 speed.

Even tanks need speed to get their abilities off. I am not telling you this in theory, i am telling you this from experience.

What I'm saying also applies to raids, where i get double the score of my guildmates who focus on cc/cd and i focus on speed sets and speed secondaries

In the oldest shards, you need +120 to +140 speed on every character. Focus on that.

"Mobewan;c-1485969" wrote:
@Zerfius
I was answering your thread question.

Sadly, from my experience getting top reward in arena, speed sets work better for most characters and teams than what crouching rancor or whatever other sites advise.

There are many great threads that show the math for extra damage from cc/cd sets and it is much less than some people think, because they forget to factor in the crit chance and that after you have crit damage triangle the 30% from the set is only 16% of the 180% crit damage you already have. So ifyour crit chance is 50%, the crit damage set is only 8% damage increase from just having the crit damage triangle. If you have a godly set with +120 speed, by all means, put it on your highest damage character.

For secondaries, the priority should be speed above all else. Of course, if one mod has 15 speed + 4% crit chance, and another mod has 16 speed and no crit chance, you can sacrifice 1 speed.
Other than speed, you have to understand the characters you are using and see if they need damage or potency, but 1% potency wont be more important than 15 speed.

Even tanks need speed to get their abilities off. I am not telling you this in theory, i am telling you this from experience.

What I'm saying also applies to raids, where i get double the score of my guildmates who focus on cc/cd and i focus on speed sets and speed secondaries

In the oldest shards, you need +120 to +140 speed on every character. Focus on that.

@Zerfius This advice is pretty much correct. You won't have great speed sets for every character, but you might end up with 2-3 sets with good secondaries. Regardless of the primary stats, you want these sets on your best team. It's just a bonus if the primaries match up. This is, of course, only valid for your top one or two teams. For the others...

Here are some good general rules (talking about primaries, not the mod type):

SLOTS
1. Arrow: Speed arrow always (except in very rare circumstances). Use the arrow slot to complete mod sets beneficial to a character (if only one of your best speed secondaries is a Potency-type mod, use a +30 speed potency here...a mod set bonus will always be more beneficial than any secondary FOR THIS SLOT ONLY)
2. Triangle: For DPS characters, Offense/Crit Dmg on Triangle. Crit Chance is a close second. For utility characters and support, Protection. Defense/Health NEVER unless the mod has an insane speed secondary and it is a tank (i.e. I have a defense triangle on my GK just because it has +15 speed)
3. Cross: For DPS, Offense/Potency. Protection useful on all characters. Tenacity crosses CAN be useful on tanks and cleansers (my preference). Defense/Health NEVER (same rule as triangle)

SETS
My personal preference is that +1 speed is equal to about +2% for another stat. So when I have to decide if I want to ditch that +5 speed to make a mod set work, I have a rule at least. As @Mobewan said, for your top teams, speed is king and will trump other specific decisions.

I hope that helps some!