wanted to see what everyone’s thoughts are with Mother Talzin, I brought her up to 7*, 2 pieces from g12, mainly for PVE with upcoming GvG and DS TB, but I’ve been experimenting throwing her into a meta team, but have been underwhelmed. Tried with just her, with acolyte, with zombie, with both acolyte and zombie. Got a few wins, but mainly against Rex led teams. So do u guys think there is a competitive PVP team with MT? Or is all nightsisters the way to go? Seems baze and zarris teams are the hardest matchup. Mind you I place in top of arena, so these teams have to beat top meta teams.I’d like to see your ideas on team comps using MT. If u want to see my roster, I’ll link it here also.https://swgoh.gg/u/arbitratur/

Competitive team. Can be beaten, so don't see a point in investing in it. Beta offers a lot of chances to try out such teams. Found out they are hugely overrated.

There are teams she works in well as "meta" type teams. Usually ones where she can survive long enough to rip through the opposition.

With MT lead Nightsisters I’ve moved back into being able to compete in arena for first place for the first time in probably over a year. Definitely viable. It’s allowing me to compete at the top without GK.

100% she's a gamechanger and she will help you cripple and defend vs. CLS meta squads. Full NS is NOT the way to do it though and you'll want to look at various combos. One form for example:GK lead, Barriss, MamaT, Daka, R2I'm using has as a lead in my arena squad and she's the only NS in the team...try here with R2 / GK combos. Vent as a lead and even Daka as a lead I've seen work well on O AND hold > CLS clone teams on D. Personally my MT squad is holding much better than my prior CLS squad on D. Average hold is about 10 over a 10+ day span compared to 20s / 30s with CLS. She's very tough on CLS clone teams when paired with GK / Barriss as the battle is elongated and the plague starts ripping the enemy apart as the battle goes on. Characters to work with Talzin (not including the Acolye cheese):GKBarrissZombieVentressOld BenR2EPDakaThrawnThere's likely others as well, but those heroes I've seen in actual teams and with proven evidence of success on O and also defending well on D. I haven't seen a full configuration of a NS squad that holds decently or even > CLS on defense however. If you don't use GK / Barris than you'll for sure want R2 / Thrawn as a combo to fend off Han and also provide stealth cover for Talzin to use her AOE attack.

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BTTripleZero
7 years ago
"DasMurich;c-1351308" wrote:
For anyone running full NS with MT lead, what are the zeta priorities? I have her Z leader skill, almost have another zeta ready and was going to put it on Asajj unique next, then Daka unique, then back to MT for sher unique.

As far as trying her with tanks what about Thrawn and Shoretrooper, then FO Officer and FOST? Then MT in there? Could use Thrawn and FOO to keep boosting her TM to stack plague and fire off the AOE more.

We need a sandbox.

I did Talzin unique, Talzin lead, Ventress unique. I didn’t Zeta Daka, and probably won’t.
DasMurich
7 years ago
Is her unique that effective?
mewingloki
7 years ago
"Bulldog1205;c-1350826" wrote:
"Mewingloki;c-1350796" wrote:
I appreciate the vids and comments. I feel like my Assaj is definitely not pulling her weight hah. Maybe just really need the zeta on Rampage so she can gain max HP and not die - ive not seen mine hit for anything near what you guys are showing. Enemy raid han usually just slapshots my assaj dead at the beginning of the match or immediately after Luke puts immunity on zombie lol.

https://swgoh.gg/u/mewingloki/collection/23/asajj-ventress/

Also - what happens with mother's plague triggers under Assaj lead? If Mother uses her basic on on toon and it does its arc thing does it knock TM down on multiple targets or just the primary?

Anyone hit can lose TM.

If Ventress is being 1 shot at the beginning then you need to gear her up more. She isn’t that squishy. But the zeta on rampage really helps with TM gain as much as anything. She will take a lot more turns.

I've gotten her to g12 so far - need to start filling in her last 3 pieces. My ventress has 19k hp and 27k prot atm. Never really looks tanky with han solo slinging 30-40k crits around lol.
JohnnySteelAlph
7 years ago
"DasMurich;c-1351419" wrote:
Is her unique that effective?

Her unique is incredibly effective. She ignores protection so if you have MT modded for good damage she can drop characters like Han, Luke, or Thrawn to <50% on the opening AOE. 35% TM gain is a lot and as a lead she can easily be 250+ speed anyway. Her AOE has a 4 turn CD, but even in matches that last 2 or fewer minutes I always get to use it a second time, generally for a finishing blow. She's taking so many turns.
DasMurich
7 years ago
Good to know, thanks for the input.
mewingloki
7 years ago
@HeavilyModerated Do you have a link to your Assaj by chance? Watching the vids again and cant help but notice the density of green hp lines of yours seems like double mine lol. Would love to see your mods/stats.

Does the AI prioritize attacking targets with the lowest hp/prot total? I did a refresh and did 5 more fights this evening for fun and every single fight enemy AI stunned, fractured, and slaughtered assaj first lol. Looking at my numbers, my assaj technically has the lowest hp/prot total. She has 1k more hp than my zombie...but the zombie's protection is actually double assaj's putting zombie's grand total way higher. I'm wondering if they are targeting her for her hp/prot?
Arbitratur
7 years ago
Thanks for all the input guys, I will be gearing R2 for now, and finish g12 MT, then experiment again. It seems like the best option is to allow MT to do what she does best, spread plague. I think the idea is to focus on GK, and let plague do it’s thing on the other toons. RFA podcast mentioned a team with I think AA/hoda/MT/2 tanks, if I remember right, but I don’t plan on investing in hoda as of yet. But possibly surrounding her with tanks might do the trick to protect her. MT/zombie/shore/GK/ 5th I’m unsure, another tank might be overkill, I’d say Asajj/Acolyte/Daka/CLS/Thrawn?
JohnnySteelAlph
7 years ago
"Arbitratur;c-1351984" wrote:
Thanks for all the input guys, I will be gearing R2 for now, and finish g12 MT, then experiment again. It seems like the best option is to allow MT to do what she does best, spread plague. I think the idea is to focus on GK, and let plague do it’s thing on the other toons. RFA podcast mentioned a team with I think AA/hoda/MT/2 tanks, if I remember right, but I don’t plan on investing in hoda as of yet. But possibly surrounding her with tanks might do the trick to protect her. MT/zombie/shore/GK/ 5th I’m unsure, another tank might be overkill, I’d say Asajj/Acolyte/Daka/CLS/Thrawn?

You got the essence of it in the second sentence. Plague is so powerful it can win the match all on its own, so just build comps that allow her to get that victory. I know a guild mate runs GK lead, HYoda, Barriss, MT, and DN or R2. She'd fit well in an AA squad with HYoda as well - getting master's training on her is lethal. She's really incredibly versatile and plague is borderline OP against most setups.
mewingloki
7 years ago
"HeavilyModerated;c-1352756" wrote:
"Mewingloki;c-1351644" wrote:
@HeavilyModerated Do you have a link to your Assaj by chance? Watching the vids again and cant help but notice the density of green hp lines of yours seems like double mine lol. Would love to see your mods/stats.

Does the AI prioritize attacking targets with the lowest hp/prot total? I did a refresh and did 5 more fights this evening for fun and every single fight enemy AI stunned, fractured, and slaughtered assaj first lol. Looking at my numbers, my assaj technically has the lowest hp/prot total. She has 1k more hp than my zombie...but the zombie's protection is actually double assaj's putting zombie's grand total way higher. I'm wondering if they are targeting her for her hp/prot?

Mine has more HP but less protection. I also run a zombie 2* so if AI targets lowest health then it makes sense it is prioritizing my zombie. In my experience though AI for me randomly targets my heroes. I also went for a potency mod instead of protection in cross slot, I find that with her potency over 50 I get alot more stuns and will alot of times have 3 of the enemy stunned.

https://swgoh.gg/u/croger152003/collection/23/asajj-ventress/

Thanks for the link! I've generally felt AI targetting was a crapshoot too - but the last day or so playing with sisters I find it next to impossible to keep Assaj alive lol. The game just knows I want to see her in action haha. I'll have to take a look around and see if i have any alternate mods with flat HP bonuses like you've got!

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