"TVF;c-1972051" wrote:"SoonerJBD;c-1972043" wrote:
Never seen so many strawmen in my life.
This is quite ironic in the light of the post you just made.
Enjoy the rest of your Tuesday.
"SoonerJBD;c-1972043" wrote:
Never seen so many strawmen in my life. It’s not about where I fall every day. It’s not about whether I can beat these squads. I finish first every day regardless. I have for years at this point. My complaint is that people should have to gear a team and acquire competitive mods to get to the top of arena. That’s it. Team comps that allow purple gear and crappy mods to reach the top of the arena are a problem. It undermines the competitive purpose of arena. Arena is not supposed to give you max crystals like it’s a participation trophy in a youth soccer league. Arena is supposed to be competitive. It is supposed to require you to farm the best teams, max out their gear and farm competitive mods.
"DarkHelmet1138;c-1971974" wrote:
For those that don't like the gg nuke team, it won't last long once the meta shifts. It requires the opponent to have lowered defense from ferocity to work.
"SoonerJBD;c-1971949" wrote:"GrandMasterNexus;c-1966493" wrote:"SoonerJBD;c-1965554" wrote:"212Attack;c-1965540" wrote:
Sounds like the OP is someone in this ridiculous shard chat that should be guaranteed a top 10 spot. Thing is this post is exactly whats wrong with shard discords. WAHH WAHH WAHHHHHH!!! someone is wrecking my lame **** DR malak cancer... WAHH!!!
Whether you are in a shard chat is irrelevant. I have worked hard to G13 appropriate toons, accumulate mods that make my key toons the fastest in my shard and learn the mechanics to beat in-game content. I find it disconcerting that someone with 2 million less GP who has one G13 and atrocious mods should be able to climb to Top 10. It makes the top spots meaningless. If you want to climb to the top of the arena, it should require you do the work to earn a spot among the better players in your shard. Or alternatively to least spend the money to pay for everyone else’s enjoyment of the game (this is not a thread about the game’s business model, so I concede spending as an alternative).
Sounds to me like the problem is you wanted your team to be the steam roller. You banked on it (literally) and you picked the wrong team. Because meta is gonna change... sounds crazy I know. You sound pisssd because the stonewall meta we've seen for months is disrupted and you don't feel like you got your money's worth so you wanna complain and get a new frontrunner nerfed to satisfy your wounded wallet. It's childish and petulant. What makes you think there are guarantee in this game. You know-how to fix it? Build up you GG team. OH WAIT things might change by then! I wanna pay for my top 10 spot and have it reserved for me!! Well someone else got lucky this time. Boohoo.
To quote Mr. Skywalker... Everything you just said was wrong.
My SE team dominated for a long time. I didn’t fall out of the Top 10 for over a month. I could run GG nuke if I wanted. I sometimes switch between SE and Padme squads because I like using different teams, and I’m still not falling out of the Top 20. I’m perfectly happy to see a new meta. The SE meta has been around long enough. My complaint is very simply that any meta should require you actually gear your entire squad and acquire competitive mods. Teams with a majority of purple gear on their toons do not belong at the top of arena. I think that is pretty reasonable.
"Woodroward;c-1972116" wrote:"DarkHelmet1138;c-1971974" wrote:
For those that don't like the gg nuke team, it won't last long once the meta shifts. It requires the opponent to have lowered defense from ferocity to work.
This is not true. They land enough debuffs on their own to equal ferocity. Ferocity just replaces their debuffs as they drop off. This team will beat any team without tm on damage or some high tenacity schtick."SoonerJBD;c-1971949" wrote:"GrandMasterNexus;c-1966493" wrote:"SoonerJBD;c-1965554" wrote:"212Attack;c-1965540" wrote:
Sounds like the OP is someone in this ridiculous shard chat that should be guaranteed a top 10 spot. Thing is this post is exactly whats wrong with shard discords. WAHH WAHH WAHHHHHH!!! someone is wrecking my lame **** DR malak cancer... WAHH!!!
Whether you are in a shard chat is irrelevant. I have worked hard to G13 appropriate toons, accumulate mods that make my key toons the fastest in my shard and learn the mechanics to beat in-game content. I find it disconcerting that someone with 2 million less GP who has one G13 and atrocious mods should be able to climb to Top 10. It makes the top spots meaningless. If you want to climb to the top of the arena, it should require you do the work to earn a spot among the better players in your shard. Or alternatively to least spend the money to pay for everyone else’s enjoyment of the game (this is not a thread about the game’s business model, so I concede spending as an alternative).
Sounds to me like the problem is you wanted your team to be the steam roller. You banked on it (literally) and you picked the wrong team. Because meta is gonna change... sounds crazy I know. You sound pisssd because the stonewall meta we've seen for months is disrupted and you don't feel like you got your money's worth so you wanna complain and get a new frontrunner nerfed to satisfy your wounded wallet. It's childish and petulant. What makes you think there are guarantee in this game. You know-how to fix it? Build up you GG team. OH WAIT things might change by then! I wanna pay for my top 10 spot and have it reserved for me!! Well someone else got lucky this time. Boohoo.
To quote Mr. Skywalker... Everything you just said was wrong.
My SE team dominated for a long time. I didn’t fall out of the Top 10 for over a month. I could run GG nuke if I wanted. I sometimes switch between SE and Padme squads because I like using different teams, and I’m still not falling out of the Top 20. I’m perfectly happy to see a new meta. The SE meta has been around long enough. My complaint is very simply that any meta should require you actually gear your entire squad and acquire competitive mods. Teams with a majority of purple gear on their toons do not belong at the top of arena. I think that is pretty reasonable.
You keep complaining about it over and over. I will repeat my statement. People with the majority of purple gear are not taking top 10 spots on your shard, if they are, it is your shard that is weak. Top 20 isn't top ranks. And Since GG squad requires such weird mods, they could have god level rarity mods and you couldn't tell.
"Woodroward;c-1972116" wrote:"DarkHelmet1138;c-1971974" wrote:
For those that don't like the gg nuke team, it won't last long once the meta shifts. It requires the opponent to have lowered defense from ferocity to work.
This is not true. They land enough debuffs on their own to equal ferocity. Ferocity just replaces their debuffs as they drop off. This team will beat any team without tm on damage or some high tenacity schtick.
"DarkHelmet1138;c-1972135" wrote:"Woodroward;c-1972116" wrote:"DarkHelmet1138;c-1971974" wrote:
For those that don't like the gg nuke team, it won't last long once the meta shifts. It requires the opponent to have lowered defense from ferocity to work.
This is not true. They land enough debuffs on their own to equal ferocity. Ferocity just replaces their debuffs as they drop off. This team will beat any team without tm on damage or some high tenacity schtick.
Do you really think the next meta won't have ridiculously high defense or tenacity or something that makes them also counter gg as well as darth revan?
It's not just that ferocity is a debuff that makes darth revan vulnerable. Ferocity turns your defense into offense, making that team particularly vulnerable.
I never said that any team could win. But there are plenty of ways already to control gg even at relic 7 with g12 toons alone. Stun, fracture, tenacity up, protection up, just to name a few.
I run ep lead with triumvirate against it in arena and gg usually gets at least one aoe off but unlike the darth revan most of my team survives and can control the team long enough to annhilate him fairly easily.
A bastilla lead works too because the protection up allows you to take enough hits to survive him.
There are already too many ways to take him out to have him be arena viable in a non darth revan arena.
"Woodroward;c-1972136" wrote:"DarkHelmet1138;c-1972135" wrote:"Woodroward;c-1972116" wrote:"DarkHelmet1138;c-1971974" wrote:
For those that don't like the gg nuke team, it won't last long once the meta shifts. It requires the opponent to have lowered defense from ferocity to work.
This is not true. They land enough debuffs on their own to equal ferocity. Ferocity just replaces their debuffs as they drop off. This team will beat any team without tm on damage or some high tenacity schtick.
Do you really think the next meta won't have ridiculously high defense or tenacity or something that makes them also counter gg as well as darth revan?
It's not just that ferocity is a debuff that makes darth revan vulnerable. Ferocity turns your defense into offense, making that team particularly vulnerable.
I never said that any team could win. But there are plenty of ways already to control gg even at relic 7 with g12 toons alone. Stun, fracture, tenacity up, protection up, just to name a few.
I run ep lead with triumvirate against it in arena and gg usually gets at least one aoe off but unlike the darth revan most of my team survives and can control the team long enough to annhilate him fairly easily.
A bastilla lead works too because the protection up allows you to take enough hits to survive him.
There are already too many ways to counter him out to have him be arena viable in a non darth revan arena.
Who was predicting what the next META will have? Certainly not I. I was merely correcting an erroneous statement that GG nuke works because of Ferocity... it does not.
"DarkHelmet1138;c-1972138" wrote:"Woodroward;c-1972136" wrote:"DarkHelmet1138;c-1972135" wrote:"Woodroward;c-1972116" wrote:"DarkHelmet1138;c-1971974" wrote:
For those that don't like the gg nuke team, it won't last long once the meta shifts. It requires the opponent to have lowered defense from ferocity to work.
This is not true. They land enough debuffs on their own to equal ferocity. Ferocity just replaces their debuffs as they drop off. This team will beat any team without tm on damage or some high tenacity schtick.
Do you really think the next meta won't have ridiculously high defense or tenacity or something that makes them also counter gg as well as darth revan?
It's not just that ferocity is a debuff that makes darth revan vulnerable. Ferocity turns your defense into offense, making that team particularly vulnerable.
I never said that any team could win. But there are plenty of ways already to control gg even at relic 7 with g12 toons alone. Stun, fracture, tenacity up, protection up, just to name a few.
I run ep lead with triumvirate against it in arena and gg usually gets at least one aoe off but unlike the darth revan most of my team survives and can control the team long enough to annhilate him fairly easily.
A bastilla lead works too because the protection up allows you to take enough hits to survive him.
There are already too many ways to counter him out to have him be arena viable in a non darth revan arena.
Who was predicting what the next META will have? Certainly not I. I was merely correcting an erroneous statement that GG nuke works because of Ferocity... it does not.
Ferocity lowers the defense of the sith empire characters. This plays a role in them being one shot by his aoe. I have run teams that don't use ferocity and they typically survive a few attacks and all you have to do is kill gg and the battle is won.
"Woodroward;c-1972146" wrote:"DarkHelmet1138;c-1972138" wrote:"Woodroward;c-1972136" wrote:"DarkHelmet1138;c-1972135" wrote:"Woodroward;c-1972116" wrote:"DarkHelmet1138;c-1971974" wrote:
For those that don't like the gg nuke team, it won't last long once the meta shifts. It requires the opponent to have lowered defense from ferocity to work.
This is not true. They land enough debuffs on their own to equal ferocity. Ferocity just replaces their debuffs as they drop off. This team will beat any team without tm on damage or some high tenacity schtick.
Do you really think the next meta won't have ridiculously high defense or tenacity or something that makes them also counter gg as well as darth revan?
It's not just that ferocity is a debuff that makes darth revan vulnerable. Ferocity turns your defense into offense, making that team particularly vulnerable.
I never said that any team could win. But there are plenty of ways already to control gg even at relic 7 with g12 toons alone. Stun, fracture, tenacity up, protection up, just to name a few.
I run ep lead with triumvirate against it in arena and gg usually gets at least one aoe off but unlike the darth revan most of my team survives and can control the team long enough to annhilate him fairly easily.
A bastilla lead works too because the protection up allows you to take enough hits to survive him.
There are already too many ways to counter him out to have him be arena viable in a non darth revan arena.
Who was predicting what the next META will have? Certainly not I. I was merely correcting an erroneous statement that GG nuke works because of Ferocity... it does not.
Ferocity lowers the defense of the sith empire characters. This plays a role in them being one shot by his aoe. I have run teams that don't use ferocity and they typically survive a few attacks and all you have to do is kill gg and the battle is won.
Look the only time Sith Empire actually has any defense whatsoever against the GG nuke team that can be affected by ferocity is when Darth Malak is below 50% health, and then it's only him, and only marginal.
It literally makes no difference to the GG nuke team. They have removed all the SE's defense before ferocity comes into play in between their own defense pen, the defense pen they get from T3, and defense down from 88.
Ferocity was the idea behind the original idea for the nuke team, but the evolved nuke team could really kind of care less about it.
