Please do something about these GG nuke squads

"Nikoms565;c-1972424" wrote:

"SoonerJBD;c-1972399" wrote:
Honestly, you are only still arguing because you don’t want to admit you are wrong. There is no legitimate case to make that we should be seeing squads with three G11 toons in the Top 10 of arena.

Three quick points :
1) Rock, paper, scissors. Sorry your shiny scissors cost more than the GG-R7 rock.

2) Just because you're the only one still talking doesn't mean everyone (ir anyone, for that matter) agrees with you. It could just indicate that people are tired of arguing with you because you're convinced you're right.

3) Metas change. Money/investment gives you a short term advantage. That time is up.

1) I have the rock and paper too, and they are also better geared and modded.

2) I never said anyone agreed with me. But I will point out that I’ve still not seen anyone actually argue against my original point, which I’ve had to repeat ad nauseam because people like you keep trying to replace it with straw men like “scissors mad that it gets beat by rock.” Squads with three G11 toons don’t belong at the top of arena. Still waiting for someone to argue it is good or healthy for the game or whatever. People have argued diversity is good (I agree, but that’s not my point), that the GG team doesn’t work with G11 (false, only GG and T3 need G12 or 13) and a variety of other things that are entirely beside the point of my original post.

3) It gives you an advantage for the long term, not just the short term. I can move my mods to whatever the new meta happens to be. And I’m more prepared to acquire the new meta first time around because I gear my toons. Which is why you generally see the same people in the top 10 month after month.

"SoonerJBD;c-1972435" wrote:

"Nikoms565;c-1972424" wrote:

"SoonerJBD;c-1972399" wrote:
Honestly, you are only still arguing because you don’t want to admit you are wrong. There is no legitimate case to make that we should be seeing squads with three G11 toons in the Top 10 of arena.

Three quick points :
1) Rock, paper, scissors. Sorry your shiny scissors cost more than the GG-R7 rock.

2) Just because you're the only one still talking doesn't mean everyone (ir anyone, for that matter) agrees with you. It could just indicate that people are tired of arguing with you because you're convinced you're right.

3) Metas change. Money/investment gives you a short term advantage. That time is up.

1) I have the rock and paper too, and they are also better geared and modded.

2) I never said anyone agreed with me. But I will point out that I’ve still not seen anyone actually argue against my original point, which I’ve had to repeat ad nauseam because people like you keep trying to replace it with straw men like “scissors mad that it gets beat by rock.” Squads with three G11 toons don’t belong at the top of arena. Still waiting for someone to argue it is good or healthy for the game or whatever. People have argued diversity is good (I agree, but that’s not my point), that the GG team doesn’t work with G11 (false, only GG and T3 need G12 or 13) and a variety of other things that are entirely beside the point of my original post.

3) It gives you an advantage for the long term, not just the short term. I can move my mods to whatever the new meta happens to be. And I’m more prepared to acquire the new meta first time around because I gear my toons. Which is why you generally see the same people in the top 10 month after month.

Point 1 - the fact that you have them is irrelevant. Nothing holds on defense. Never has. That's by design.

People have argued point 2 - you just seem to think you get to decide what teams (and at what gear/mod levels) "belong" at the top of arena. Malak was at the top when he was 5 stars and indergeared too....but you probably had him, so weren't complaining. Sorry, you're not the sole arbiter of who "belongs" at the top of arena or for how long. Incidentally, look at the top of your fleet shard. I'm guessing you'll see many 5 star Negotiators - possibly with under-starred Ani along side.

On point 3, you are simply mistaken. I've been playing since launch. Money has always only bought a temporary advantage. I'm not sure when you started playing, but you joined the forums 2 years after me, so the fact that you're newer explains why you don't fully understand that yet.

"SoonerJBD;c-1972302" wrote:
It doesn’t require mods that are hard to acquire or special in any way. Most people probably had the necessary mods sitting unequipped already.

This is simply not true. The mods it requires to work well enough to take down reliced teams are NOT easy to acquire. They aren't easy to get and people didn't collect those types of mods before so they didn't have them laying around either. It took me a couple of months to farm up the right mods to be able to use the team effectively.

They only seem like crap mods because they don't require the stats that people usually think of as good. Except when reaching the pinnacle of proper modding and then it requires some pretty hefty speed secondaries.

I can guarantee that people who haven't already put effort into farming these weird types of mods for raiding or didn't put effort into farming mods for this team aren't beating reliced SE teams with mostly purple toons.

Well, if the mods on those SE teams are horrible I suppose. Mod farming is important for top places. Those SE teams should step up their game if they're getting beat by mostly purple teams. They are the ones whose mods say they shouldn't be in the top ranks.

"Nikoms565;c-1972446" wrote:

"SoonerJBD;c-1972435" wrote:

"Nikoms565;c-1972424" wrote:

"SoonerJBD;c-1972399" wrote:
Honestly, you are only still arguing because you don’t want to admit you are wrong. There is no legitimate case to make that we should be seeing squads with three G11 toons in the Top 10 of arena.

Three quick points :
1) Rock, paper, scissors. Sorry your shiny scissors cost more than the GG-R7 rock.

2) Just because you're the only one still talking doesn't mean everyone (ir anyone, for that matter) agrees with you. It could just indicate that people are tired of arguing with you because you're convinced you're right.

3) Metas change. Money/investment gives you a short term advantage. That time is up.

1) I have the rock and paper too, and they are also better geared and modded.

2) I never said anyone agreed with me. But I will point out that I’ve still not seen anyone actually argue against my original point, which I’ve had to repeat ad nauseam because people like you keep trying to replace it with straw men like “scissors mad that it gets beat by rock.” Squads with three G11 toons don’t belong at the top of arena. Still waiting for someone to argue it is good or healthy for the game or whatever. People have argued diversity is good (I agree, but that’s not my point), that the GG team doesn’t work with G11 (false, only GG and T3 need G12 or 13) and a variety of other things that are entirely beside the point of my original post.

3) It gives you an advantage for the long term, not just the short term. I can move my mods to whatever the new meta happens to be. And I’m more prepared to acquire the new meta first time around because I gear my toons. Which is why you generally see the same people in the top 10 month after month.

Point 1 - the fact that you have them is irrelevant. Nothing holds on defense. Never has. That's by design.

People have argued point 2 - you just seem to think you get to decide what teams (and at what gear/mod levels) "belong" at the top of arena. Malak was at the top when he was 5 stars and indergeared too....but you probably had him, so weren't complaining. Sorry, you're not the sole arbiter of who "belongs" at the top of arena or for how long. Incidentally, look at the top of your fleet shard. I'm guessing you'll see many 5 star Negotiators - possibly with under-starred Ani along side.

On point 3, you are simply mistaken. I've been playing since launch. Money has always only bought a temporary advantage. I'm not sure when you started playing, but you joined the forums 2 years after me, so the fact that you're newer explains why you don't fully understand that yet.

1) Nothing holds on defense? I went over a month without falling out of the Top 10 with my DR squad. I’d guess that during the three months before relics, I fell into the mid teens two or three times. I still haven’t fallen out of the Top 20 since Malak was released. Maybe some things do hold on defense for a while.

2) What we have here is a math problem. One toon G11 is not the issue. Three or more G11 toons is the issue. People with G11 Malaks had G12 on every other toon, plus they had competitive mods on all their toons. Again, please explain to me how it’s good for the game or the competitive balance to have a squad with three G11 toons with leftover mods capable of hitting top spots in arena against G13 full relic meta squads.

3) I’ve been playing since a little after launch. I didn’t join the forums until later. I’ve averaged first in arena for over three years now. I’ve done so primarily because I religiously farmed speed mods. Gearing any particular meta will only ever give you a temporary advantage. But proper resource management and smart farming strategies for toons, gear and mods absolutely gives you a long term advantage. When the next meta comes around, I will get it quickly and will move my best mods over and stay at the top of arena. So will the other good players in the shard. I’m not going to speculate as to why you don’t understand that.

"Woodroward;c-1972451" wrote:

"SoonerJBD;c-1972302" wrote:
It doesn’t require mods that are hard to acquire or special in any way. Most people probably had the necessary mods sitting unequipped already.

This is simply not true. The mods it requires to work well enough to take down reliced teams are NOT easy to acquire. They aren't easy to get and people didn't collect those types of mods before so they didn't have them laying around either. It took me a couple of months to farm up the right mods to be able to use the team effectively.

They only seem like crap mods because they don't require the stats that people usually think of as good. Except when reaching the pinnacle of proper modding and then it requires some pretty hefty speed secondaries.

I can guarantee that people who haven't already put effort into farming these weird types of mods for raiding or didn't put effort into farming mods for this team aren't beating reliced SE teams with mostly purple toons.

Well, if the mods on those SE teams are horrible I suppose. Mod farming is important for top places. Those SE teams should step up their game if they're getting beat by mostly purple teams. They are the ones whose mods say they shouldn't be in the top ranks.

Anyone who has been paying attention even a little bit has been saving high health mods, high offense mods and mods with high potency. Since very few other toons need those mods (except maybe the offense mods), there should be plenty lying around in your inventory unless you just negligently get rid of any mod that doesn’t have speed on it.

Yes, you can beat an SE squad with top end mods if you have an R7 GG with even remotely decent health mods. You can easily do so with G11 IG-88, IPD and BB-8.

"SoonerJBD;c-1972481" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1972451" wrote:

"SoonerJBD;c-1972302" wrote:
It doesn’t require mods that are hard to acquire or special in any way. Most people probably had the necessary mods sitting unequipped already.

This is simply not true. The mods it requires to work well enough to take down reliced teams are NOT easy to acquire. They aren't easy to get and people didn't collect those types of mods before so they didn't have them laying around either. It took me a couple of months to farm up the right mods to be able to use the team effectively.

They only seem like crap mods because they don't require the stats that people usually think of as good. Except when reaching the pinnacle of proper modding and then it requires some pretty hefty speed secondaries.

I can guarantee that people who haven't already put effort into farming these weird types of mods for raiding or didn't put effort into farming mods for this team aren't beating reliced SE teams with mostly purple toons.

Well, if the mods on those SE teams are horrible I suppose. Mod farming is important for top places. Those SE teams should step up their game if they're getting beat by mostly purple teams. They are the ones whose mods say they shouldn't be in the top ranks.

Anyone who has been paying attention even a little bit has been saving high health mods, high offense mods and mods with high potency. Since very few other toons need those mods (except maybe the offense mods), there should be plenty lying around in your inventory unless you just negligently get rid of any mod that doesn’t have speed on it.

Yes, you can beat an SE squad with top end mods if you have an R7 GG with even remotely decent health mods. You can easily do so with G11 IG-88, IPD and BB-8.

It's not as simple as that you need about 80 speed, 40 cc and 60 potency for all of them in order to reliably beat anyone and to beat well modded relic teams at all. People don't have mods with all of those stats laying around. Don't need offense mods at all, the other stuff is hard enough to get right. Most people don't. That's why I hear people in my shard running Nuke teams with no purple characters complaining about being unable to beat full reliced well modded sith teams.

If people with mostly purple toons are beating full reliced SE teams it means 2 things are true:
1. That droid team has amazing mods that were very hard to come by
2. That SE team has crap mods and "shouldn't be in the top 50".


I couldn't even hit all my targets until I had T3 and 88 practically g13.

I'm going to type really slow so the OP understands :

Teams that "belong" in the top 10 (or top 20...or whatever arbitrary dividing line you've made up in your mind) are the ones that either through their own synergy or the weaknesses of the teams they are defeating, can beat the teams in front of them. The GG "nuke" squad happens to do both very efficiently.

Good day, sir.

"Nikoms565;c-1972486" wrote:
I'm going to type really slow so the OP understands :

Teams that "belong" in the top 10 (or top 20...or whatever arbitrary dividing line you've made up in your mind) are the ones that either through their own synergy or the weaknesses of the teams they are defeating, can beat the teams in front of them. The GG "nuke" squad happens to do both very efficiently.

Good day, sir.

By your logic, if a new mechanic were discovered that allowed G4 Jawas to climb in arena, that would be totally OK and not in need of attention from the devs. Cool story, bro.

"SoonerJBD;c-1972488" wrote:

"Nikoms565;c-1972486" wrote:
I'm going to type really slow so the OP understands :

Teams that "belong" in the top 10 (or top 20...or whatever arbitrary dividing line you've made up in your mind) are the ones that either through their own synergy or the weaknesses of the teams they are defeating, can beat the teams in front of them. The GG "nuke" squad happens to do both very efficiently.

Good day, sir.

By your logic, if a new mechanic were discovered that allowed G4 Jawas to climb in arena, that would be totally OK and not in need of attention from the devs. Cool story, bro.

No, it only highlights the fact that what one person considers "good enough" to belong in arena, another might not.

Your opinion is just that.

"Woodroward;c-1972482" wrote:

"SoonerJBD;c-1972481" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1972451" wrote:

"SoonerJBD;c-1972302" wrote:
It doesn’t require mods that are hard to acquire or special in any way. Most people probably had the necessary mods sitting unequipped already.

This is simply not true. The mods it requires to work well enough to take down reliced teams are NOT easy to acquire. They aren't easy to get and people didn't collect those types of mods before so they didn't have them laying around either. It took me a couple of months to farm up the right mods to be able to use the team effectively.

They only seem like crap mods because they don't require the stats that people usually think of as good. Except when reaching the pinnacle of proper modding and then it requires some pretty hefty speed secondaries.

I can guarantee that people who haven't already put effort into farming these weird types of mods for raiding or didn't put effort into farming mods for this team aren't beating reliced SE teams with mostly purple toons.

Well, if the mods on those SE teams are horrible I suppose. Mod farming is important for top places. Those SE teams should step up their game if they're getting beat by mostly purple teams. They are the ones whose mods say they shouldn't be in the top ranks.

Anyone who has been paying attention even a little bit has been saving high health mods, high offense mods and mods with high potency. Since very few other toons need those mods (except maybe the offense mods), there should be plenty lying around in your inventory unless you just negligently get rid of any mod that doesn’t have speed on it.

Yes, you can beat an SE squad with top end mods if you have an R7 GG with even remotely decent health mods. You can easily do so with G11 IG-88, IPD and BB-8.

It's not as simple as that you need about 80 speed, 40 cc and 60 potency for all of them in order to reliably beat anyone and to beat well modded relic teams at all. People don't have mods with all of those stats laying around. Don't need offense mods at all, the other stuff is hard enough to get right. Most people don't. That's why I hear people in my shard running Nuke teams with no purple characters complaining about being unable to beat full reliced well modded sith teams.

If people with mostly purple toons are beating full reliced SE teams it means 2 things are true:
1. That droid team has amazing mods that were very hard to come by
2. That SE team has crap mods and "shouldn't be in the top 50".


I couldn't even hit all my targets until I had T3 and 88 practically g13.

You keep making these pronouncements, but they are just factually wrong. G11 IG-88, BB-8 and IPD absolutely can beat top end SE teams with great mods. And it does not take “amazing” mods to do so. Anyone with an extensive mod collection could dig those mods up easily. I have made no effort to mod a GG nuke squad, and I’m absolutely certain I could easily get those stats with the mods I have lying around. That’s why people with 2 million GP in 3-4 year old shards are suddenly climbing with G11 Droids and R5 GG. Because it requires far less of an investment.