"DarthSleeper;c-1972533" wrote:
Hey guys, I’m running a GG nuke team in arena, here are my team members :
R6 zzGG 212 speed, 202.5% cd, 83.61%cc, 134.7k hp
G12 zzT3M4 238 speed, 29k hp, 59k prot , I put mk12 stun gun on it.
G12 IG88 240 speed, 81.3% poten , 73.2%cc
G12 zzR2 253 speed, 34.7k hp, 48k prot
G12 BB8 264 speed
Before the Relic system come out, I always been the top one at my PO. But currently, the situation has changed. Because of Malak’s taunt, I can’t kill G13+BSF in the first round. Then a R5-7 DR can easily destory my t3 and r2 by a force storm. In the final versus, my r6 GG can hardly beat any G13+ Malak.
In fact, GG nuke team only works good against a non-R7 DR team, any other teams defeat nuke team easily.
If you have G12 zzTraya and DN, you can crush the top nuke team as an egg.
"SoonerJBD;d-214215" wrote:
People with crappy mods and G11 Droids do not belong in the Top 20 in arena simply because they can G13 one toon. That squad needs a serious nerf. At the very least, it should require G12/13 on every toon in order to beat other meta squads that are all G13. Just another side effect of OP relics.
"CCyrilS;c-1972556" wrote:"Nikoms565;c-1972539" wrote:"SoonerJBD;c-1972477" wrote:"Nikoms565;c-1972446" wrote:"SoonerJBD;c-1972435" wrote:"Nikoms565;c-1972424" wrote:"SoonerJBD;c-1972399" wrote:
Honestly, you are only still arguing because you don’t want to admit you are wrong. There is no legitimate case to make that we should be seeing squads with three G11 toons in the Top 10 of arena.
Three quick points :
1) Rock, paper, scissors. Sorry your shiny scissors cost more than the GG-R7 rock.
2) Just because you're the only one still talking doesn't mean everyone (ir anyone, for that matter) agrees with you. It could just indicate that people are tired of arguing with you because you're convinced you're right.
3) Metas change. Money/investment gives you a short term advantage. That time is up.
1) I have the rock and paper too, and they are also better geared and modded.
2) I never said anyone agreed with me. But I will point out that I’ve still not seen anyone actually argue against my original point, which I’ve had to repeat ad nauseam because people like you keep trying to replace it with straw men like “scissors mad that it gets beat by rock.” Squads with three G11 toons don’t belong at the top of arena. Still waiting for someone to argue it is good or healthy for the game or whatever. People have argued diversity is good (I agree, but that’s not my point), that the GG team doesn’t work with G11 (false, only GG and T3 need G12 or 13) and a variety of other things that are entirely beside the point of my original post.
3) It gives you an advantage for the long term, not just the short term. I can move my mods to whatever the new meta happens to be. And I’m more prepared to acquire the new meta first time around because I gear my toons. Which is why you generally see the same people in the top 10 month after month.
Point 1 - the fact that you have them is irrelevant. Nothing holds on defense. Never has. That's by design.
People have argued point 2 - you just seem to think you get to decide what teams (and at what gear/mod levels) "belong" at the top of arena. Malak was at the top when he was 5 stars and indergeared too....but you probably had him, so weren't complaining. Sorry, you're not the sole arbiter of who "belongs" at the top of arena or for how long. Incidentally, look at the top of your fleet shard. I'm guessing you'll see many 5 star Negotiators - possibly with under-starred Ani along side.
On point 3, you are simply mistaken. I've been playing since launch. Money has always only bought a temporary advantage. I'm not sure when you started playing, but you joined the forums 2 years after me, so the fact that you're newer explains why you don't fully understand that yet.
I’ve been playing since a little after launch. I didn’t join the forums until later.
Oh, I also wanted to revisit this little gem you tossed out...and include your first post from February of 2018..."SoonerJBD;d-159426" wrote:
This may not be as big an issue on more mature shards, but I’m in a November shard where most are in the low 80s approaching 85 and just now getting zetas. Since no one in that recent a shard has JTR or CLS...
The game launched in November of 2015. 2 years later (November of 2017 - when you started) is not "a little after launch."
A suggestion if you want to have intelligent conversations with adults. Don't lie.
I'm done. I don't have discussions with people who are dishonest.
To be fair "a little after launch" is his opinion, and if you recall from earlier, that's all that matters.
"SoonerJBD;c-1972477" wrote:
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I’ve been playing since a little after launch. I didn’t join the forums until later. I’ve averaged first in arena for over three years now.
"Cardiff0;c-1972581" wrote:
My god you guys hunt in packs.
Firstly my nuke team took about 15 minutes to mod. I didn’t even have to change GG’s mods I just built around it so I can use sep droids too. I have an average/not that good mod collection.
Also how is this a hard counter to Drevan? What does Drevan do that this counters in particular? Ferocity makes almost no difference. It’s just a strong team that beats darth revan, and other comps as far I can see.
And sorry but this team is clearly unintentional. It just came up as a result of a whole game of character kits being basically uncontrollable. I just think you guys are the ones protecting your investment, if anyone. You don’t want anyone nerfing your droid team. And don’t worry it will never happen so calm down.
You also want counters, which is very true there should be counters, but I don’t think there’s really meant to be counters apart from padme. They don’t care about game balance. For almost two years now the meta has been like 90% dominated by one team. They made that team OP and super dominant so whales would buy it. The clone squad and this GG team rely on one character with huge damage getting ticked off. Can’t you see the game is not in balance as a result of DR and relics? These are not healthy, direct counters to a team, the game is in a mess and relics only exacerbated that with insane damage, all types of battles are lasting like a minute with very little strategy. These are not good, healthy game mechanics like the rest of the game has. The game at the top level has become uncontrollable.
"Woodroward;c-1972634" wrote:"Cardiff0;c-1972581" wrote:
My god you guys hunt in packs.
Firstly my nuke team took about 15 minutes to mod. I didn’t even have to change GG’s mods I just built around it so I can use sep droids too. I have an average/not that good mod collection.
Also how is this a hard counter to Drevan? What does Drevan do that this counters in particular? Ferocity makes almost no difference. It’s just a strong team that beats darth revan, and other comps as far I can see.
And sorry but this team is clearly unintentional. It just came up as a result of a whole game of character kits being basically uncontrollable. I just think you guys are the ones protecting your investment, if anyone. You don’t want anyone nerfing your droid team. And don’t worry it will never happen so calm down.
You also want counters, which is very true there should be counters, but I don’t think there’s really meant to be counters apart from padme. They don’t care about game balance. For almost two years now the meta has been like 90% dominated by one team. They made that team OP and super dominant so whales would buy it. The clone squad and this GG team rely on one character with huge damage getting ticked off. Can’t you see the game is not in balance as a result of DR and relics? These are not healthy, direct counters to a team, the game is in a mess and relics only exacerbated that with insane damage, all types of battles are lasting like a minute with very little strategy. These are not good, healthy game mechanics like the rest of the game has. The game at the top level has become uncontrollable.
There's nothing unintended about the synergy in a nuke team They started giving all these droids target lock knowing that the pieces could fit together. It was intentional that all these droids were on the same team. It just wasn't a viable team until GG hit g13. But the target lock pretty much guarantees that they way these guys interact is intentional.
"mikk207;c-1972643" wrote:"Woodroward;c-1972634" wrote:"Cardiff0;c-1972581" wrote:
My god you guys hunt in packs.
Firstly my nuke team took about 15 minutes to mod. I didn’t even have to change GG’s mods I just built around it so I can use sep droids too. I have an average/not that good mod collection.
Also how is this a hard counter to Drevan? What does Drevan do that this counters in particular? Ferocity makes almost no difference. It’s just a strong team that beats darth revan, and other comps as far I can see.
And sorry but this team is clearly unintentional. It just came up as a result of a whole game of character kits being basically uncontrollable. I just think you guys are the ones protecting your investment, if anyone. You don’t want anyone nerfing your droid team. And don’t worry it will never happen so calm down.
You also want counters, which is very true there should be counters, but I don’t think there’s really meant to be counters apart from padme. They don’t care about game balance. For almost two years now the meta has been like 90% dominated by one team. They made that team OP and super dominant so whales would buy it. The clone squad and this GG team rely on one character with huge damage getting ticked off. Can’t you see the game is not in balance as a result of DR and relics? These are not healthy, direct counters to a team, the game is in a mess and relics only exacerbated that with insane damage, all types of battles are lasting like a minute with very little strategy. These are not good, healthy game mechanics like the rest of the game has. The game at the top level has become uncontrollable.
There's nothing unintended about the synergy in a nuke team They started giving all these droids target lock knowing that the pieces could fit together. It was intentional that all these droids were on the same team. It just wasn't a viable team until GG hit g13. But the target lock pretty much guarantees that they way these guys interact is intentional.
you mean intended like palp lead was destroying drevan/malak ?
zfinn destroying hstr and jkr ?
zombie anakin interaction ?
the list goes on, I am sure they know what sideeffects they are creating
"Cardiff0;c-1972581" wrote:
My god you guys hunt in packs.
Firstly my nuke team took about 15 minutes to mod. I didn’t even have to change GG’s mods I just built around it so I can use sep droids too. I have an average/not that good mod collection.
Also how is this a hard counter to Drevan? What does Drevan do that this counters in particular? Ferocity makes almost no difference. It’s just a strong team that beats darth revan, and other comps as far I can see.
And sorry but this team is clearly unintentional. It just came up as a result of a whole game of character kits being basically uncontrollable. I just think you guys are the ones protecting your investment, if anyone. You don’t want anyone nerfing your droid team. And don’t worry it will never happen so calm down.
You also want counters, which is very true there should be counters, but I don’t think there’s really meant to be counters apart from padme. They don’t care about game balance. For almost two years now the meta has been like 90% dominated by one team. They made that team OP and super dominant so whales would buy it. The clone squad and this GG team rely on one character with huge damage getting ticked off. Can’t you see the game is not in balance as a result of DR and relics? These are not healthy, direct counters to a team, the game is in a mess and relics only exacerbated that with insane damage, all types of battles are lasting like a minute with very little strategy. These are not good, healthy game mechanics like the rest of the game has. The game at the top level has become uncontrollable.
"Woodroward;c-1972685" wrote:"mikk207;c-1972643" wrote:"Woodroward;c-1972634" wrote:"Cardiff0;c-1972581" wrote:
My god you guys hunt in packs.
Firstly my nuke team took about 15 minutes to mod. I didn’t even have to change GG’s mods I just built around it so I can use sep droids too. I have an average/not that good mod collection.
Also how is this a hard counter to Drevan? What does Drevan do that this counters in particular? Ferocity makes almost no difference. It’s just a strong team that beats darth revan, and other comps as far I can see.
And sorry but this team is clearly unintentional. It just came up as a result of a whole game of character kits being basically uncontrollable. I just think you guys are the ones protecting your investment, if anyone. You don’t want anyone nerfing your droid team. And don’t worry it will never happen so calm down.
You also want counters, which is very true there should be counters, but I don’t think there’s really meant to be counters apart from padme. They don’t care about game balance. For almost two years now the meta has been like 90% dominated by one team. They made that team OP and super dominant so whales would buy it. The clone squad and this GG team rely on one character with huge damage getting ticked off. Can’t you see the game is not in balance as a result of DR and relics? These are not healthy, direct counters to a team, the game is in a mess and relics only exacerbated that with insane damage, all types of battles are lasting like a minute with very little strategy. These are not good, healthy game mechanics like the rest of the game has. The game at the top level has become uncontrollable.
There's nothing unintended about the synergy in a nuke team They started giving all these droids target lock knowing that the pieces could fit together. It was intentional that all these droids were on the same team. It just wasn't a viable team until GG hit g13. But the target lock pretty much guarantees that they way these guys interact is intentional.
you mean intended like palp lead was destroying drevan/malak ?
zfinn destroying hstr and jkr ?
zombie anakin interaction ?
the list goes on, I am sure they know what sideeffects they are creating
What I mean is that they created the target lock synergy to be used with droids together. The droids that are being used here are the majority of the target lock droids outside of Sep droids. They clearly intended GG to be the mainstay of every single droid team with his rework.
So they gave all these droids synergy with each other through target lock (well not bb, but he is a droid teams go first mechanism), and you're telling me they did it without intending them to be used together?
I find it super far fetched that this team is an "unintended interaction" unlike most of the ones you listed.
