Possible solution to Poe.

"Qeltar;63613" wrote:
I also think it should be possible to resist a taunt. Taunting is too strong, and too "all or nothing" in general. If you think about it, it's not really a buff, they just implemented it that way. They could change taunt from a positive effect on the taunter to a debuff on each enemy that can be resisted. It would still have a use but it wouldn't be able to tie up your entire team every time guaranteed. There's nothing else in the game that can do that.
They probably won't do this, though.

Rey would hate this.

Teebo!

If the devs listen too closely to these forums, every toon in the game will end up getting hit with the nerf bat. That'll make everyone happy. Oh wait, no it won't. As soon as there is a nerf on ANY character more people will complain (didn't we already go through this bs with Barriss?), and rightfully so. There are other solutions.
#1 you can already beat Poe with existing toons. It has been done, plenty of times by plenty of people. Figure it out and stop whining.
#2 the game is nowhere close to end game. It is FAR too early to be nerfing characters (ahem..Barriss again). How about we wait till we are at least at the damn level cap (which still won't be true endgame) before making snap decisions just because we lost a match and cried to ourselves in the corner.
#3 Star Wars is HUGE. There are plenty more characters coming. There will be counters for everything. The options are open for this. A bit of patience will go a long way.
#4 there are a considerable number of characters that have been claimed as OP or needing a nerf. If ANY of it were true, there wouldn't be so many claims about so many characters. If half the characters are OP, the truth must be that they simply aren't. Today its Poe. A while ago it was Barriss. Soon it will be Genosian Soldier. And so on. Just stop it. You all sound ridiculous.
#5 there are even MORE characters than mentioned in my previous point that are severely UNDERPOWERED. This is a much bigger issue and is affecting strategic options far more than any one good character is. Crap units need buffs (some need a complete overhaul). This alone could fix a lot of these nonsense "OP" claims just the same way new units can. Give us more options for countering specific toons/builds, and there will be more options, more diversity, and less moaning (last one is a maybe, let's be honest).

In any case, and whichever option, for crying out loud, no more nerfs. Nerfs are bad for EVERYONE, and only lead to more complaining. It is not that hard to see.

I have been losing in arena since many people in arena are using Poe while I didn't want to jump on the bandwagon.
(I was very dissapointed that this game seem to me to become less and less of strategy and more and more of a single character or a handful of characters. Thus I felt that all the days, weeks and month I have spent in farming characters other than First Order, Resistance, Poggle and Geosoldier are wasted and cost me daily arena rank reward, which is unfair.)

I don't know how many of you can relate but any advice on how to beat Poe-team without Poe would be greatly appreciated. (All I have in mind is using FOTP to kill opponent Poe, but what if opponent also has FOTP or other glass cannons or worse-Poggle buffing them up.)

"Aeris;8138" wrote:
I have been losing in arena since many people in arena are using Poe while I didn't want to jump on the bandwagon.
(I was very dissapointed that this game seem to me to become less and less of strategy and more and more of a single character or a handful of characters. Thus I felt that all the days, weeks and month I have spent in farming characters other than First Order, Resistance, Poggle and Geosoldier are wasted and cost me daily arena rank reward, which is unfair.)

I don't know how many of you can relate but any advice on how to beat Poe without Poe would be greatly appreciated. (All I have in mind is using FOTP to kill opponent Poe, but what if opponent also has FOTP or other glass cannons or worse-Poggle buffing them up.)

It's not about Poe. it's about Poe+DPS.

The only way to beat Poe is having QGJ.

I've beaten plenty of Poe teams but sometimes it just comes down to lucky RNG.

I run a Phasma led Sid Daka Kylo Lumi squad. About to go 7* on Daka and Kylo which might help improve the odds. Pretty sure there's going to be some sort of Re-balancing in the next update though.
The speed, taunt, turn meter and resistance all in one guy is too much since it leads to homogenized mirror teams and a lack of diversity plus battles come down to a coin toss.

"xJazzx;71523" wrote:

"Aeris;8138" wrote:
I have been losing in arena since many people in arena are using Poe while I didn't want to jump on the bandwagon.
(I was very dissapointed that this game seem to me to become less and less of strategy and more and more of a single character or a handful of characters. Thus I felt that all the days, weeks and month I have spent in farming characters other than First Order, Resistance, Poggle and Geosoldier are wasted and cost me daily arena rank reward, which is unfair.)

I don't know how many of you can relate but any advice on how to beat Poe without Poe would be greatly appreciated. (All I have in mind is using FOTP to kill opponent Poe, but what if opponent also has FOTP or other glass cannons or worse-Poggle buffing them up.)

It's not about Poe. it's about Poe+DPS.

The only way to beat Poe is having QGJ.

I slaughter Poe teams and I refuse to use Poe. I don't use QGJ either. Phasma lead, FOTP, Leia, GS and Rey. Game over.

I too refuse to jump on the Poe bandwagon and beat him regularly. This is usually a combination of luck, technique I have developed, and lack of team synergy. Many people are just taking random teams and sticking him in there, and while he always increases your chance of losing because he is overpowered, he's only an instant "game over" in the correct setup: high single-target DPS (Leia, FOTP, etc.) On those teams, I lose unless I get very lucky. But the random Poe/Phasma/Sid/GS/Lumi team is very beatable.
My team against him is my basic Arena team: Phasma, Dooku, Daka, Asajj and Luminara. The goal is simple: survive the initial onslaught one way or another, then pick off the enemies one at a time.
If Poe gets his taunt off, I usually have to use Daka to heal because it will take too long to get to Lumi. Then I hope Lumi isn't ability-blocked, and toss her heal. And then the fight really begins.
Asajj, bugs and slowness and all, can turn around any fight with an enemy Poggle or Phasma by turning their team buff into a massive heal for you. I've seen it go up to 6k on each team member. Basically, if the timing works out, you will win. Assuming it isn't resisted.
I have also stripped Poe's taunt using Asajj, though this is rare.
I whittle them down and then hit them with Asajj's AoE as well. I can get three AoEs out of her in a fight if I am lucky and time it well.
In the meantime, use Dooku to tie up their Lumi/JC or take down other targets. Use Daka to stun any dangerous enemy teammates.
You'll lose a lot but it's fun when you win.
I hope they don't change Asajj's debuff to heal only her. That ability is all that justifies her slot given how slow she is.

"Tak;71520" wrote:
I beat Poe teams without using a Poe lots. Having said that it's very very hard to recover if they get 5-8 attacks in before you get one.

The best team I've found for it is phasma led,daka,dooku,lumi and kylo.

It sounds semi run of the mill team but it works quite well. More often than not for some reason the AI hits kylo which is great for you!

Pop your lumi heal asap and your phasma aoe slow first turn. If Poe is not near death don't hit him with daka pop your Rez/heal instead.

Spam outrage even if it's not below 75% health it still Crits for 7k.

First turn it's usually kind of gimmicky, if your dooku goes first try to stun a high dps like qui-gon or fotp, I've found that to be far more effective than trying to stun Poe.

It's all kind of a mess but one thing I notice for sure is if daka gets a revive you should win the game

Thank you for your very detailed and thoughtful advice.
Your advice is very practical also since it utilizes characters that are all farmable.
It is amazing to know how Kylo works well in beating Poe-team, how dooku's stun disables high dps, especially how Daka's revive may guarantee winning the game.
I am impressed because your advice are very useful overall yet one has to try to find out.
10/10

"Jabberwocky;71576" wrote:
I've beaten plenty of Poe teams but sometimes it just comes down to lucky RNG.

I run a Phasma led Sid Daka Kylo Lumi squad. About to go 7* on Daka and Kylo which might help improve the odds. Pretty sure there's going to be some sort of Re-balancing in the next update though.
The speed, taunt, turn meter and resistance all in one guy is too much since it leads to homogenized mirror teams and a lack of diversity plus battles come down to a coin toss.

Thanks for your advice in defeating Poe-team, which also interestingly has almost same team composition to that of Tak's suggestion where the only difference is that you use Sid whereas Tak suggests using Dooku.
I agree with you 100 percent that there has been a lack of diversity in team composition which I hope could be replenished in next update.

"trillizo_y_uno;71580" wrote:

"xJazzx;71523" wrote:

"Aeris;8138" wrote:
I have been losing in arena since many people in arena are using Poe while I didn't want to jump on the bandwagon.
(I was very dissapointed that this game seem to me to become less and less of strategy and more and more of a single character or a handful of characters. Thus I felt that all the days, weeks and month I have spent in farming characters other than First Order, Resistance, Poggle and Geosoldier are wasted and cost me daily arena rank reward, which is unfair.)

I don't know how many of you can relate but any advice on how to beat Poe without Poe would be greatly appreciated. (All I have in mind is using FOTP to kill opponent Poe, but what if opponent also has FOTP or other glass cannons or worse-Poggle buffing them up.)

It's not about Poe. it's about Poe+DPS.

The only way to beat Poe is having QGJ.

I slaughter Poe teams and I refuse to use Poe. I don't use QGJ either. Phasma lead, FOTP, Leia, GS and Rey. Game over.

Thanks for your advice.
It is amazing to know how team with both maximum damage output and high speed such as yours is a solution to defeating Poe-team; however, unfortunately, Leia is not farmable.

"Qeltar;71748" wrote:
I too refuse to jump on the Poe bandwagon and beat him regularly. This is usually a combination of luck, technique I have developed, and lack of team synergy. Many people are just taking random teams and sticking him in there, and while he always increases your chance of losing because he is overpowered, he's only an instant "game over" in the correct setup: high single-target DPS (Leia, FOTP, etc.) On those teams, I lose unless I get very lucky. But the random Poe/Phasma/Sid/GS/Lumi team is very beatable.
My team against him is my basic Arena team: Phasma, Dooku, Daka, Asajj and Luminara.The goal is simple: survive the initial onslaught one way or another, then pick off the enemies one at a time.
If Poe gets his taunt off, I usually have to use Daka to heal because it will take too long to get to Lumi. Then I hope Lumi isn't ability-blocked, and toss her heal. And then the fight really begins.
Asajj, bugs and slowness and all, can turn around any fight with an enemy Poggle or Phasma by turning their team buff into a massive heal for you. I've seen it go up to 6k on each team member. Basically, if the timing works out, you will win. Assuming it isn't resisted.
I have also stripped Poe's taunt using Asajj, though this is rare.
I whittle them down and then hit them with Asajj's AoE as well. I can get three AoEs out of her in a fight if I am lucky and time it well.
In the meantime, use Dooku to tie up their Lumi/JC or take down other targets. Use Daka to stun any dangerous enemy teammates.
You'll lose a lot but it's fun when you win.
I hope they don't change Asajj's debuff to heal only her. That ability is all that justifies her slot given how slow she is.

Thanks a lot for sharing your advice on defeating Poe-team.
It is knowledgeable to know that Poe-team with the correct set up(high single target dps such as Leia, FOTP,etc.) is almost unbeatable.
It is amazing to know Asajj's debuff could be very useful in fighting Poe-team that has Phasma or Poggle.
However, interestingly, the team setup you use is almost same to that of Tak's suggestion where the only difference is that you use Assaj whereas he uses Kylo.

I think it's well established that Poe is a little too strong for the current meta. I prefer slight tweaks rather the straight nerfs. How about creating a third ability and removing the taunt of off resistance bravado and combinding the taunt with Poes tenacity buff and self heal. So then your choice is to taunt and have high chance to resist or debuff the enemy with expose and minus turn meter