Team Droids on Roids...the new Meta?

"Tannjam;c-1423253" wrote:
Until someone on the same account tries both against the same opponent, this argument is going to continue to be circular. The original point was that Chopper's kit should reduce the CD of Illuminated Destiny faster. I stand by that. The basis of your argument for K2-SO is on counter attacks, but with nearly everyone in the top 20 running R2-D2, team stealth is going to largely negate those counter-attack cooldown reductions. In your experience K2-SO may be a very worthy tank - I don't think anyone is arguing that. But given equal conditions, Chopper should allow for a quicker ID. Probably within margin of error anyway depending on RNG.

No, the original point was that k2 is better than chopper for the team. I was challenged on that on the basis that chopper reaches id faster.

I asserted that is not true, and pointed out all the ways that K2 protects the team better.

I mean, let's be honest here. If you have JTR and can't get to the top, chances are your problem isn't composition, so offense with both is largely irrelevant.

To truly resolve the argument, someone would have to play against someone who took turns having g12 versions of both up.

Double post please delete.

"Woodroward;c-1423326" wrote:

"Tannjam;c-1423253" wrote:
Until someone on the same account tries both against the same opponent, this argument is going to continue to be circular. The original point was that Chopper's kit should reduce the CD of Illuminated Destiny faster. I stand by that. The basis of your argument for K2-SO is on counter attacks, but with nearly everyone in the top 20 running R2-D2, team stealth is going to largely negate those counter-attack cooldown reductions. In your experience K2-SO may be a very worthy tank - I don't think anyone is arguing that. But given equal conditions, Chopper should allow for a quicker ID. Probably within margin of error anyway depending on RNG.

No, the original point was that k2 is better than chopper for the team. I was challenged on that on the basis that chopper reaches id faster.

I asserted that is not true, and pointed out all the ways that K2 protects the team better.

I mean, let's be honest here. If you have JTR and can't get to the top, chances are your problem isn't composition, so offense with both is largely irrelevant.

To truly resolve the argument, someone would have to play against someone who took turns having g12 versions of both up.

But your assertion was baseless, given that you haven't tested Chopper adequately. I feel like you're just arguing to argue now, given that you conclude with the exact point I started my last post with.

You like K2-SO. Chopper users (I'm one) like chopper. Let's leave it at that.

"Woodroward;c-1422703" wrote:

trollsbane wrote:


Here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to link both our profiles so others can decide who's advice they want to trust.

https://swgoh.gg/u/trollsbane/

https://swgoh.gg/u/woodroward/

So you're on an old inactive shard. In what way does that make you right?

Your shard is inactive for certain because you only have 3 people in your rotation and are still in your rank 10 minutes after your payout.

To me that says your server is less competitive than mine by far. There's 6 in my payout 6 before, 3 after. People get knocked from their ranks as soon as their payout is over on my server.

I don't know why you have to turn this into a lame contest between us rather than just admit that your math was flawed and that you haven't ran k2 in arena with jtr so have literally nothing to base your opinion on.

You thought I was just some lame theorycrafter instead of an experienced player, but have to much pride to back out and see this as a battle.



You literally lost all credibility in this argument as soon as you resorted to smack talking.

Since you think you can judge me by my swgoh.gg profile, the only part you need look at is whether I've been running k2 with JTR and whether I make the top 10. How's it feel to have someone try to use your GG profile that backs up everything you've said in an attempt to discredit you?

Feels underhanded, doesn't it?

Just admit you don't know what you're talking about with k2 under Rey and move on.

Give it up man! What do you want? Do you want me to lie to you and say that K2SO is the absolute best tank in the game for all purposes at all times? Do you realize that your "math" is you just making a ton of assumptions about chopper even though you clearly have NEVER used him? Do you also realize that this thread is about a RJT squad using Imperial Probe Droid? Your "awesome" squad is just the cookie cutter RJT, R2, BB8, CLS, GK squad that every player tried when they unlocked RJT except you don't even have GK unlocked. Why don't you try other characters instead of trying to convince those of us that have experimented that you are right and I am wrong. Everything that you say is fact is actually you just talking about things you have never tried.

I used K2SO back when he was relevant. Did you use Chopper? I used him also. Oh, you watched some videos? Did you happen to watch the videos in this very thread that show chopper doing an excellent job of being a tank? You should watch them again since that's where you get all of your knowledge.

You don't like my K2SO mods? It's because I have him benched you noob. You think my arena shard is less competitive than yours because I'm at rank 3? How do you even come up with that noise? Maybe if you weren't running K2SO you wouldn't drop rank instantly. For someone who has spent very little time testing characters and how they interact in different squads you sure do think you know everything.

Also, your defense mods made me chuckle....

"Woodroward;c-1423326" wrote:

"Tannjam;c-1423253" wrote:
Until someone on the same account tries both against the same opponent, this argument is going to continue to be circular. The original point was that Chopper's kit should reduce the CD of Illuminated Destiny faster. I stand by that. The basis of your argument for K2-SO is on counter attacks, but with nearly everyone in the top 20 running R2-D2, team stealth is going to largely negate those counter-attack cooldown reductions. In your experience K2-SO may be a very worthy tank - I don't think anyone is arguing that. But given equal conditions, Chopper should allow for a quicker ID. Probably within margin of error anyway depending on RNG.

To truly resolve the argument, someone would have to play against someone who took turns having g12 versions of both up.

Sounds like a challenge! Oh wait... turns out I already have K2SO gear 11 and I'm not scared to actually try both tanks. Can you say the same? Are you going to step up and prove all of your assumptions by gearing and testing Chopper? Or are you going to just pretend that you know what's up when you're really just guessing based on some anonymous mystery video that only you saw? You say over and over that you are a experienced player... it's time to step up and show us.

"Trollsbane;c-1423544" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1423326" wrote:

"Tannjam;c-1423253" wrote:
Until someone on the same account tries both against the same opponent, this argument is going to continue to be circular. The original point was that Chopper's kit should reduce the CD of Illuminated Destiny faster. I stand by that. The basis of your argument for K2-SO is on counter attacks, but with nearly everyone in the top 20 running R2-D2, team stealth is going to largely negate those counter-attack cooldown reductions. In your experience K2-SO may be a very worthy tank - I don't think anyone is arguing that. But given equal conditions, Chopper should allow for a quicker ID. Probably within margin of error anyway depending on RNG.

To truly resolve the argument, someone would have to play against someone who took turns having g12 versions of both up.

Sounds like a challenge! Oh wait... turns out I already have K2SO gear 11 and I'm not scared to actually try both tanks. Can you say the same? Are you going to step up and prove all of your assumptions by gearing and testing Chopper? Or are you going to just pretend that you know what's up when you're really just guessing based on some anonymous mystery video that only you saw? You say over and over that you are a experienced player... it's time to step up and show us.

Didn't you read? G12... Not g11.
And it's about defense. If you're up for it, gear him to 12 and let others try your squad then get feedback Then you'll actually have experience to back up your statements and I'll be satisfied with that regardless of the result.

My insistence on g12 isn't just to make it hard on you. Without doing so r2 will not smoke screen K2, which is a huge part of why he is better on d and hence better for the team.

As for me gearing up chopper, this is still irrelevant, I've fought against chopper under jtr plenty of times, so I already have the experience necessary to know what I'm talking about.

Man this is like a brow beating contest at this point.
I think the overall point is that both chopper and k2 will work. Can yall leave it at that? cause with this back n forth slight derailment this thread is most likely heading for the dumpster.

"Woodroward;c-1423557" wrote:

"Tannjam;c-1423403" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1423326" wrote:

"Tannjam;c-1423253" wrote:
Until someone on the same account tries both against the same opponent, this argument is going to continue to be circular. The original point was that Chopper's kit should reduce the CD of Illuminated Destiny faster. I stand by that. The basis of your argument for K2-SO is on counter attacks, but with nearly everyone in the top 20 running R2-D2, team stealth is going to largely negate those counter-attack cooldown reductions. In your experience K2-SO may be a very worthy tank - I don't think anyone is arguing that. But given equal conditions, Chopper should allow for a quicker ID. Probably within margin of error anyway depending on RNG.

No, the original point was that k2 is better than chopper for the team. I was challenged on that on the basis that chopper reaches id faster.

I asserted that is not true, and pointed out all the ways that K2 protects the team better.

I mean, let's be honest here. If you have JTR and can't get to the top, chances are your problem isn't composition, so offense with both is largely irrelevant.

To truly resolve the argument, someone would have to play against someone who took turns having g12 versions of both up.

But your assertion was baseless, given that you haven't tested Chopper adequately. I feel like you're just arguing to argue now, given that you conclude with the exact point I started my last post with.

You like K2-SO. Chopper users (I'm one) like chopper. Let's leave it at that.

See that's just it. MY statements weren't baseless. I've fought against RJT squads with chopper and have gotten feedback on RJT with k2.

My statements have always been coming from a defensive standpoint... Which makes whether or not I've played with him irrelevant

"Trollsbane;c-1423475" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1422703" wrote:

trollsbane wrote:


Here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to link both our profiles so others can decide who's advice they want to trust.

https://swgoh.gg/u/trollsbane/

https://swgoh.gg/u/woodroward/

So you're on an old inactive shard. In what way does that make you right?

Your shard is inactive for certain because you only have 3 people in your rotation and are still in your rank 10 minutes after your payout.

To me that says your server is less competitive than mine by far. There's 6 in my payout 6 before, 3 after. People get knocked from their ranks as soon as their payout is over on my server.

I don't know why you have to turn this into a lame contest between us rather than just admit that your math was flawed and that you haven't ran k2 in arena with jtr so have literally nothing to base your opinion on.

You thought I was just some lame theorycrafter instead of an experienced player, but have to much pride to back out and see this as a battle.



You literally lost all credibility in this argument as soon as you resorted to smack talking.

Since you think you can judge me by my swgoh.gg profile, the only part you need look at is whether I've been running k2 with JTR and whether I make the top 10. How's it feel to have someone try to use your GG profile that backs up everything you've said in an attempt to discredit you?

Feels underhanded, doesn't it?

Just admit you don't know what you're talking about with k2 under Rey and move on.

Give it up man! What do you want? Do you want me to lie to you and say that K2SO is the absolute best tank in the game for all purposes at all times? Do you realize that your "math" is you just making a ton of assumptions about chopper even though you clearly have NEVER used him? Do you also realize that this thread is about a RJT squad using Imperial Probe Droid? Your "awesome" squad is just the cookie cutter RJT, R2, BB8, CLS, GK squad that every player tried when they unlocked RJT except you don't even have GK unlocked. Why don't you try other characters instead of trying to convince those of us that have experimented that you are right and I am wrong. Everything that you say is fact is actually you just talking about things you have never tried.

I used K2SO back when he was relevant. Did you use Chopper? I used him also. Oh, you watched some videos? Did you happen to watch the videos in this very thread that show chopper doing an excellent job of being a tank? You should watch them again since that's where you get all of your knowledge.

You don't like my K2SO mods? It's because I have him benched you noob. You think my arena shard is less competitive than yours because I'm at rank 3? How do you even come up with that noise? Maybe if you weren't running K2SO you wouldn't drop rank instantly. For someone who has spent very little time testing characters and how they interact in different squads you sure do think you know everything.

Also, your defense mods made me chuckle....

You have k2 benched, which is exactly why you're not qualified to have been making the statements you have about him on offense, even though the whole point of this conversation is what's best for the team... Which means better on defense not offense.
Whether or not I've run chopper is irrelevant to the actual point of this discussion on top of the fact that the videos give me all the info I need on his effectiveness on offense.

This right here is your problem. You claim I am not qualified to talk about K2SO because I am not currently running him in my arena squad yet you not running Chopper... or even having him geared is irrelevant. You are so full of it.

"Trollsbane;c-1423601" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1423557" wrote:

"Tannjam;c-1423403" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1423326" wrote:

"Tannjam;c-1423253" wrote:
Until someone on the same account tries both against the same opponent, this argument is going to continue to be circular. The original point was that Chopper's kit should reduce the CD of Illuminated Destiny faster. I stand by that. The basis of your argument for K2-SO is on counter attacks, but with nearly everyone in the top 20 running R2-D2, team stealth is going to largely negate those counter-attack cooldown reductions. In your experience K2-SO may be a very worthy tank - I don't think anyone is arguing that. But given equal conditions, Chopper should allow for a quicker ID. Probably within margin of error anyway depending on RNG.

No, the original point was that k2 is better than chopper for the team. I was challenged on that on the basis that chopper reaches id faster.

I asserted that is not true, and pointed out all the ways that K2 protects the team better.

I mean, let's be honest here. If you have JTR and can't get to the top, chances are your problem isn't composition, so offense with both is largely irrelevant.

To truly resolve the argument, someone would have to play against someone who took turns having g12 versions of both up.

But your assertion was baseless, given that you haven't tested Chopper adequately. I feel like you're just arguing to argue now, given that you conclude with the exact point I started my last post with.

You like K2-SO. Chopper users (I'm one) like chopper. Let's leave it at that.

See that's just it. MY statements weren't baseless. I've fought against RJT squads with chopper and have gotten feedback on RJT with k2.

My statements have always been coming from a defensive standpoint... Which makes whether or not I've played with him irrelevant

"Trollsbane;c-1423475" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1422703" wrote:

trollsbane wrote:


Here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to link both our profiles so others can decide who's advice they want to trust.

https://swgoh.gg/u/trollsbane/

https://swgoh.gg/u/woodroward/

So you're on an old inactive shard. In what way does that make you right?

Your shard is inactive for certain because you only have 3 people in your rotation and are still in your rank 10 minutes after your payout.

To me that says your server is less competitive than mine by far. There's 6 in my payout 6 before, 3 after. People get knocked from their ranks as soon as their payout is over on my server.

I don't know why you have to turn this into a lame contest between us rather than just admit that your math was flawed and that you haven't ran k2 in arena with jtr so have literally nothing to base your opinion on.

You thought I was just some lame theorycrafter instead of an experienced player, but have to much pride to back out and see this as a battle.



You literally lost all credibility in this argument as soon as you resorted to smack talking.

Since you think you can judge me by my swgoh.gg profile, the only part you need look at is whether I've been running k2 with JTR and whether I make the top 10. How's it feel to have someone try to use your GG profile that backs up everything you've said in an attempt to discredit you?

Feels underhanded, doesn't it?

Just admit you don't know what you're talking about with k2 under Rey and move on.

Give it up man! What do you want? Do you want me to lie to you and say that K2SO is the absolute best tank in the game for all purposes at all times? Do you realize that your "math" is you just making a ton of assumptions about chopper even though you clearly have NEVER used him? Do you also realize that this thread is about a RJT squad using Imperial Probe Droid? Your "awesome" squad is just the cookie cutter RJT, R2, BB8, CLS, GK squad that every player tried when they unlocked RJT except you don't even have GK unlocked. Why don't you try other characters instead of trying to convince those of us that have experimented that you are right and I am wrong. Everything that you say is fact is actually you just talking about things you have never tried.

I used K2SO back when he was relevant. Did you use Chopper? I used him also. Oh, you watched some videos? Did you happen to watch the videos in this very thread that show chopper doing an excellent job of being a tank? You should watch them again since that's where you get all of your knowledge.

You don't like my K2SO mods? It's because I have him benched you noob. You think my arena shard is less competitive than yours because I'm at rank 3? How do you even come up with that noise? Maybe if you weren't running K2SO you wouldn't drop rank instantly. For someone who has spent very little time testing characters and how they interact in different squads you sure do think you know everything.

Also, your defense mods made me chuckle....

You have k2 benched, which is exactly why you're not qualified to have been making the statements you have about him on offense, even though the whole point of this conversation is what's best for the team... Which means better on defense not offense.
Whether or not I've run chopper is irrelevant to the actual point of this discussion on top of the fact that the videos give me all the info I need on his effectiveness on offense.

This right here is your problem. You claim I am not qualified to talk about K2SO because I am not currently running him in my arena squad yet you not running Chopper... or even having him geared is irrelevant. You are so full of it.

No, I claim you are not qualified to talk about k2 under JTR because you haven't faced that OR run him and gotten feedback. Either would do, but it's obvious you haven't faced a g12 k2 under JTR or you wouldn't be saying what you are.

"PiffGuru;c-1423573" wrote:
Man this is like a brow beating contest at this point.
I think the overall point is that both chopper and k2 will work. Can yall leave it at that? cause with this back n forth slight derailment this thread is most likely heading for the dumpster.

Don't you see? Woodroward wants to make this thread about K2SO. I'm simply trying to support the thread by showing the original squad that was discussed is in fact very well put together and Chopper looks amazing in it.