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10 years ago

The most interesting new skills with the max level increment [post nerfed]

EDITED. Analysis not useful because the new gold material skills.

Very soon the max level will be increased and the strategies will change because of the new skills available.

In this analysis is not included the increments of +5% or +15% damage, because is not a big difference.

You can say another characters not included in this analysis, but only if is enough important to change the strategies.

GEONOSIAN SOLDIER

Swarm (Special Abilities) - LvL 8: Cooldown -1 (Lvl 78)
Hive Tactics (Unique Ability) - LvL 8: +20% Turn Meter Gain (Lvl 80)

GS will be able to use his special ability (Swarm) in every turn, and if it's a critical hit he will gain 50% turn meter.

In the actual strategy is not essential kill GS in the first turn, because in the second turn he can't use any special ability, and his basic damage is not one of the best, there are 21 characters with a better basic damage, but if he can use the special ability in every attack would be essential kill he at the beginning.

It means that the low-health characters will survive more time, characters as Rey, IG-86, IG-88, FOTP, Resistance Pilot, etc., or characters that can resurrect other characters, as Daka or Ewok Elder.

Could be interesting protect GS with Daka and Luminara, for example, playing with QGJ as leader (+25 speed to jedis in the lvl 7), so Daka will have 136 speed and Luminara 143, Luminara will play before Poggle and Poe, so if Yoda, QGJ and GS enemies don't kill the own GS, Luminara can cure he, and if he die Daka can resurrect he and using a tank, as Royal Guard, is enough time to heal he with Luminara, and then he will be able to use again the special ability.

Geonosian Soldier by himself will change the strategies, based on kill he at the beginning or heal/resurrect he if he die.

QUI-GON JINN AND JEDIS

Agility Training (Unique Ability) - LvL 7: +2 Speed

(The lvl 8 will be available from level 82-90, not before)

With the +25 speed, Qui-Gon Jinn will be faster than Dooku (161), because 137+25 is 162. It means that QGJ can kill Dooku at the beginning, something very useful for people who don't have Yoda.

Also Anakin (137+25=162) and Ansoka Tano (93+45+25=163) will play before Dooku.

These extra 2 speed points also will benefit Luminara, that will increase the speed from 118 to 143, it means that Luminara will be faster than Poe (142) and then Luminara can block Poe with the "Force Blast". Also Luminara will be faster than Poggle (142) and can block he to prevent the offense up. Luminara will have the same speed than Rey (143), so also will be able to block or kill Rey.

Also will benefit Eeth Koth against teams playing without QGJ as leader, then the speed of Eeth Koth will be 128+25 = 153, faster than Yoda (151), so Eeth Koth will be able to stun Yoda, for example.

Also Aayla Secura will have the same speed (117+25=142) than Poe and Poggle, so maybe will be useful to kill Poggle before the offense up, for example Luminara (143) + Aayla (142) can kill Poggle.

Barriss Offee will increase the speed from 114 to 139, now faster than QGJ not as leader, it means that can be useful to heal the characters before QGJ can play, it can be very useful in some cases.

Old Ben will increase the speed from 112 to 137, it means that will be faster than Daka (136), so you can kill other characters and block Daka to prevent the resurrections. Also will have the same speed than QGJ not as leader (137), useful to block he in the 50% of cases.

IG-86

Assassin Droid Tactics (Special Abilities) - LvL 8: Cooldown -1 (Lvl 78)

Actually the cooldown is 3, in the lvl 78 will be 2, so it can be important in a team using Royal Guard and Poe in the same team, would be enough time to use again the special ability. Actually the most normal thing is that the battle is ended before IG-86 can use again the special ability, but with this cooldown IG-86 will be able to use 2 times the special ability.

Also he will have +15% damage in his basic damage, IG-86 is the 2th best attacker of the game, after GS, so it's important that his damage will be +15%, when another characters only gain +5% or nothing.

RESISTANCE PILOT

Hip Fire (Basic Ability) - LvL 8: +15% Turn Meter Gain (Lvl 76)
Outmaneuver (Special Abilities) - LvL 8: +15% Expose Chance
Guerilla Tactics (Unique Ability) - LvL 8: +5% Turn Meter Gain

RP will gain a lot of turn meter with these updates, will have 55% chance to gain 35% Turn Meter and 25% when is a critical hit, it is 60% turn meter, if the assistance of GS is RP, he can gain 60% turn meter, for example, or if is the assistance of QGJ or IG-86.

Also the expose chance is important, because will increase from 50% to 65%, and with the +15% potency of Poe as leader, in a resistance team, will be 80%.

Also Poe Dameron will have 80% chance to expose as leader (65% + 15%), so a resistance team with a character with AoE ability, as IG-88 or Kylo Ren, for example, can be very useful. IG-88 will have 50% chance to inflict defense down and Kylo Ren will gain 15% in his special abilities.

Someone more?

Very soon the max level will be increased and the strategies will change because of the new skills available.In this analysis is not included the increments of +5% or +15% damage, because is not a big difference.You can say another characters not included in this analysis, but only if is enough important to change the strategies.GEONOSIAN SOLDIERSwarm (Special Abilities) - LvL 8: Cooldown -1 (Lvl 78)Hive Tactics (Unique Ability) - LvL 8: +20% Turn Meter Gain (Lvl 80)GS will be able to use his special ability (Swarm) in every turn, and if it's a critical hit he will gain 50% turn meter. In the actual strategy is not essential kill GS in the first turn, because in the second turn he can't use any special ability, and his basic damage is not one of the best, there are 21 characters with a better basic damage, but if he can use the special ability in every attack would be essential kill he at the beginning.It means that the low-health characters will survive more time, characters as Rey, IG-86, IG-88, FOTP, Resistance Pilot, etc., or characters that can resurrect other characters, as Daka or Ewok Elder. Could be interesting protect GS with Daka and Luminara, for example, playing with QGJ as leader (+25 speed to jedis in the lvl 7), so Daka will have 136 speed and Luminara 143, Luminara will play before Poggle and Poe, so if Yoda, QGJ and GS enemies don't kill the own GS, Luminara can cure he, and if he die Daka can resurrect he and using a tank, as Royal Guard, is enough time to heal he with Luminara, and then he will be able to use again the special ability.Geonosian Soldier by himself will change the strategies, based on kill he at the beginning or heal/resurrect he if he die.QUI-GON JINN AND JEDISAgility Training (Unique Ability) - LvL 7: +2 Speed(The lvl 8 will be available from level 82-90, not before)With the +25 speed, Qui-Gon Jinn will be faster than Dooku (161), because 137+25 is 162. It means that QGJ can kill Dooku at the beginning, something very useful for people who don't have Yoda. Also Anakin (137+25=162) and Ansoka Tano (93+45+25=163) will play before Dooku.These extra 2 speed points also will benefit Luminara, that will increase the speed from 118 to 143, it means that Luminara will be faster than Poe (142) and then Luminara can block Poe with the "Force Blast". Also Luminara will be faster than Poggle (142) and can block he to prevent the offense up. Luminara will have the same speed than Rey (143), so also will be able to block or kill Rey.Also will benefit Eeth Koth against teams playing without QGJ as leader, then the speed of Eeth Koth will be 128+25 = 153, faster than Yoda (151), so Eeth Koth will be able to stun Yoda, for example.Also Aayla Secura will have the same speed (117+25=142) than Poe and Poggle, so maybe will be useful to kill Poggle before the offense up, for example Luminara (143) + Aayla (142) can kill Poggle.Barriss Offee will increase the speed from 114 to 139, now faster than QGJ not as leader, it means that can be useful to heal the characters before QGJ can play, it can be very useful in some cases.Old Ben will increase the speed from 112 to 137, it means that will be faster than Daka (136), so you can kill other characters and block Daka to prevent the resurrections. Also will have the same speed than QGJ not as leader (137), useful to block he in the 50% of cases.IG-86Assassin Droid Tactics (Special Abilities) - LvL 8: Cooldown -1 (Lvl 78)Actually the cooldown is 3, in the lvl 78 will be 2, so it can be important in a team using Royal Guard and Poe in the same team, would be enough time to use again the special ability. Actually the most normal thing is that the battle is ended before IG-86 can use again the special ability, but with this cooldown IG-86 will be able to use 2 times the special ability.Also he will have +15% damage in his basic damage, IG-86 is the 2th best attacker of the game, after GS, so it's important that his damage will be +15%, when another characters only gain +5% or nothing.RESISTANCE PILOTHip Fire (Basic Ability) - LvL 8: +15% Turn Meter Gain (Lvl 76)Outmaneuver (Special Abilities) - LvL 8: +15% Expose ChanceGuerilla Tactics (Unique Ability) - LvL 8: +5% Turn Meter GainRP will gain a lot of turn meter with these updates, will have 55% chance to gain 35% Turn Meter and 25% when is a critical hit, it is 60% turn meter, if the assistance of GS is RP, he can gain 60% turn meter, for example, or if is the assistance of QGJ or IG-86.Also the expose chance is important, because will increase from 50% to 65%, and with the +15% potency of Poe as leader, in a resistance team, will be 80%. Also Poe Dameron will have 80% chance to expose as leader (65% + 15%), so a resistance team with a character with AoE ability, as IG-88 or Kylo Ren, for example, can be very useful. IG-88 will have 50% chance to inflict defense down and Kylo Ren will gain 15% in his special abilities.Someone more?

36 Replies

DasIrrlicht
10 years ago
nice overview. I don't want to tell obvious things about tactics, most of you are more versed in it than I am; just some facts that can make you think:
Fives:
1) Basis at level 8 (76 level required): Add extra attack against targets suffering Speed Down.
2) Special (passive): +15% Counter Chance (85% in total).
Have you already thought about his future synergy with Phasma? I had.

HK-47:
1) Leader ability: +20 turn mater gain on crit (total: +50).
It's definitely a great boost. But who knows whether it will be still so important.

HRScout
Basic: +15% chance add TM to whole team (40% instead of 15%)
Passive: before almost useless since not too many Empire units, now starts giving him TM (half of the one for empire enemy) for killing any enemy. It's also a viable addition to his insane TM boosts.

Ima-Gun-Di
Leader ability: +25% chance of counter-attack for jedies (60% instead of 35%). With new update might become really relevant.
QuimSWGoH
New Ace
10 years ago
"Irrlicht;239067" wrote:
nice overview. I don't want to tell obvious things about tactics, most of you are more versed in it than I am; just some facts that can make you think:
Fives:
1) Basis at level 8 (76 level required): Add extra attack against targets suffering Speed Down.
2) Special (passive): +15% Counter Chance (85% in total).
Have you already thought about his future synergy with Phasma? I had.

HK-47:
1) Leader ability: +20 turn mater gain on crit (total: +50).
It's definitely a great boost. But who knows whether it will be still so important.

HRScout
Basic: +15% chance add TM to whole team (40% instead of 15%)
Passive: before almost useless since not too many Empire units, now starts giving him TM (half of the one for empire enemy) for killing any enemy. It's also a viable addition to his insane TM boosts.

Ima-Gun-Di
Leader ability: +25% chance of counter-attack for jedies (60% instead of 35%). With new update might become really relevant.

Very nice the update of Ima-Gun-Di, Sidious can die before we can start to play :lol:

I thought include HK-47, but the droids are not very useful, only IG-86, this ability is important for IG-88, but without IG-88 is not very important, is more useful play with Poggle as leader.

Also nice the update of basic ability of HRScout. The unique ability only useful against team with Royal Guard, and also the stun chance will be increased from 40% to 55%.

The basic ability of CT-5555 only would be useful in a team with Phasma, but I think that Fives and Phasma are not very useful in the Arena nowadays, a team with Phasma (L), CT-5555, GS, IG-86 and QGJ, for example, is not very powerful, maybe useful in the first levels for newbie players, but in the cantina shipments it's better get QGJ and Poe at the beginning, and then I prefer Ahsoka Tano before CT-5555.

I think that Ima-Gun-Di and HRScout can change something, but IGD is very hard to farm, is for P2P players.
DarthxJay
10 years ago
Nice write-up. I'm very excited about the new meta, this one sucks. I'm almost done farming Anakin to 7-star and going to start farming IGD, he's farmable enough I think if you can put the refreshes into him. I wish Aayla was available in Cantina, Arena, or even 2 nodes somewhere. I've gone against a couple teams wiht a 7-star Aayla now and in the right squad she's a beast, in the new meta where's it's no longer Dooku + GS + IG86 + insert whoever cuz it doesn't matter, more toons will be playable. Can't wait, update can't get here fast enough.
QuimSWGoH
New Ace
10 years ago
"DrewN76;239109" wrote:
More folks are going to get Lobot for droid speed, seeing them be able to go before Poe making him useless. RG farms are going to be active. With fortitude, I assume a death improves the teams defense somehow, meaning perhaps the better option will be to slowly bring everyone health down at once and nail everyone with aoe, meaning assajj wicked aoe might be invaluable.

Nice point, the droids will have +25 speed thanks to Lobot, it means that IG-86 will increase from 116 to 141 and IG-88 from 118 to 143, IG-88 will be faster than Poggle and Poe, with a 55% chance to block the enemies, so Poggle or Poe can be blocked, and then after the taunt of Poe (if is not blocked) IG-86 will play first of any other character and can kill Poe, so the taunt will not be very useful, will be taunt and immediately die, and with the speed up of Poggle (if own Poggle go first) also IG-86 can play before Poe LOL

"DrewN76;239153" wrote:
Also QGJ speed 162 with assajj lead Daka goes at 162 with a chance at multi stun. Meaning Dooku in that mix and QGJ Daka stand off for rng.? We go issues haha.

Daka have 136 speed, and the leader ability of Ventress is +26 speed and with the update will be +28, so now is a total of 162 and will be 164, so it's true, will be faster than QGJ as leader and can stun he, is another interesting option, but you don't need wait the update to start to use this strategy, you can use it from now. I use it in the Galactic Wars to heal my characters before any other movement, for example, and sometimes I use it to stun some character.
DarthxJay
10 years ago
"DrewN76;239219" wrote:
We need to remember whatever benefit fortitude offers healers are excluded. As such... Lobot and Akbar mean more for their heals.

Does that mean characters classified as Healers won't have fortitude?
rk260395
10 years ago
CUP gets +10% stun (40->50%) and a +15% chance of offense down (55%->70%) for 2 turns. In addition he gains +10% potency.

Assuming they really do buff slower characters damage/health his skillset is now viable.
kfcbucket21
10 years ago
"DrewN76;239261" wrote:
"Darth_Jay77;239238" wrote:
"DrewN76;239219" wrote:
We need to remember whatever benefit fortitude offers healers are excluded. As such... Lobot and Akbar mean more for their heals.

Does that mean characters classified as Healers won't have fortitude?

The notes I have read say healers don't qualify for fortitude.

It was saying they can't refill the fortitude bar with their heal, no that they won't have fortitude themselves. Fortitude can not be refilled
DarthxJay
10 years ago
"Chewieforlife;239298" wrote:
"DrewN76;239261" wrote:
"Darth_Jay77;239238" wrote:
"DrewN76;239219" wrote:
We need to remember whatever benefit fortitude offers healers are excluded. As such... Lobot and Akbar mean more for their heals.

Does that mean characters classified as Healers won't have fortitude?

The notes I have read say healers don't qualify for fortitude.

It was saying they can't refill the fortitude bar with their heal, no that they won't have fortitude themselves. Fortitude can not be refilled

Okay, that's how I read it too, not that they don't have fortitude. If they did that, Lumi just became the best healer in the game because based on what I see with the challenges, she's not a healer.
kfcbucket21
10 years ago
"Darth_Jay77;239324" wrote:
"Chewieforlife;239298" wrote:
"DrewN76;239261" wrote:
"Darth_Jay77;239238" wrote:
"DrewN76;239219" wrote:
We need to remember whatever benefit fortitude offers healers are excluded. As such... Lobot and Akbar mean more for their heals.

Does that mean characters classified as Healers won't have fortitude?

The notes I have read say healers don't qualify for fortitude.

It was saying they can't refill the fortitude bar with their heal, no that they won't have fortitude themselves. Fortitude can not be refilled

Okay, that's how I read it too, not that they don't have fortitude. If they did that, Lumi just became the best healer in the game because based on what I see with the challenges, she's not a healer.

I don't think a toons "role classification" will be the end and all be all when it comes to fortitude. The key thing is that under no circumstances can the fortitude bar be refilled/healed at this time. They said in the future new character (s) could possibly replenish fortitude/ play around it in some way
DarthxJay
10 years ago
"Chewieforlife;239337" wrote:
"Darth_Jay77;239324" wrote:
"Chewieforlife;239298" wrote:
"DrewN76;239261" wrote:
"Darth_Jay77;239238" wrote:
"DrewN76;239219" wrote:
We need to remember whatever benefit fortitude offers healers are excluded. As such... Lobot and Akbar mean more for their heals.

Does that mean characters classified as Healers won't have fortitude?

The notes I have read say healers don't qualify for fortitude.

It was saying they can't refill the fortitude bar with their heal, no that they won't have fortitude themselves. Fortitude can not be refilled

Okay, that's how I read it too, not that they don't have fortitude. If they did that, Lumi just became the best healer in the game because based on what I see with the challenges, she's not a healer.

I don't think a toons "role classification" will be the end and all be all when it comes to fortitude. The key thing is that under no circumstances can the fortitude bar be refilled/healed at this time. They said in the future new character (s) could possibly replenish fortitude/ play around it in some way

You're right, I totally agree; that's how I read it too. That's why I was surprised when I read the other post about healers not having fortitude. I was like, wait what did I miss? lol