I got lucky and pulled a +18 speed secondary from a 4 dot mod from the mod store last night. Moved another mod around and added 10 speed to my Vader so he is now 240 instead of 230. I was excited. Usually hover 30-70 range before. I lost every single game today against Sion/Nihilus combo. Yes, I know how they work, and for a week or so tried to open with a basic on Nihilus against slower teams. I found that just using force crush anway usually worked out better. But now I am not sure. Should I drop 8 or so speed and put a potency cross on Vader, or just blame it on RNG?So, what do you do against a slower Vader/Sion/Nihilus, how do you do it, and why? Discuss.

Potency does absolutely nothing for you as long as your potency is not lower than 15% lower than the enemy tenacity. F.ex. if your potency is 55% and your enemie's tenacity is 70% or lower, then more potency is a waste.

"Waqui;c-1587513" wrote:Potency does absolutely nothing for you as long as your potency is not lower than 15% lower than the enemy tenacity. F.ex. if your potency is 55% and your enemie's tenacity is 70% or lower, then more potency is a waste.Sion has +100% tenacity against enemies with pain. I recently switched from a potency cross to a protection cross on Palp for more speed, but it means that I have a bit of trouble getting shock to land on Sion so have to waste more turns attacking him and feeding nihilus health+TM.Other than that very specific circumstance I agree - don't worry about potency.I've also tried a few different tactics and now I just open with force crush anyway - at least it means the enemy nihilus uses drain force immediately when most of my team aren't debuffed.

I've not had this problem since introducing traya to the team, even if the enemy DN goes first I generally still win

"VonZant;d-174146" wrote:I got lucky and pulled a +18 speed secondary from a 4 dot mod from the mod store last night. Moved another mod around and added 10 speed to my Vader so he is now 240 instead of 230. I was excited. Usually hover 30-70 range before. I lost every single game today against Sion/Nihilus combo. Yes, I know how they work, and for a week or so tried to open with a basic on Nihilus against slower teams. I found that just using force crush anway usually worked out better. But now I am not sure. Should I drop 8 or so speed and put a potency cross on Vader, or just blame it on RNG?So, what do you do against a slower Vader/Sion/Nihilus, how do you do it, and why? Discuss.Opening with FC vs DN/Sion is a big chance, sometimes it works for you and sometimes it doesn't. Yeah it makes their DN go next, but on the other hand not all of your guys will have debuffs so they aren't guaranteed to reduce DN's Annihilate cooldown. I went through the same thought process as you, tried using the basic first on EP to prevent the stuns but found that in general I was better off throwing the DOTs out to get the TM train rolling. I'd chalk your experience up to RNG and keep going as is.

Has anyone tried Maul in place of Thrawn and Sith Trooper instead of Sion? If he gets daze off against another EP team (or even JTR) seems like it would be gg. Or is he just too squishy to make it that far?

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Waquira
7 years ago
Potency does absolutely nothing for you as long as your potency is not lower than 15% lower than the enemy tenacity. F.ex. if your potency is 55% and your enemie's tenacity is 70% or lower, then more potency is a waste.
kieronkumar
7 years ago
"Waqui;c-1587513" wrote:
Potency does absolutely nothing for you as long as your potency is not lower than 15% lower than the enemy tenacity. F.ex. if your potency is 55% and your enemie's tenacity is 70% or lower, then more potency is a waste.

Sion has +100% tenacity against enemies with pain. I recently switched from a potency cross to a protection cross on Palp for more speed, but it means that I have a bit of trouble getting shock to land on Sion so have to waste more turns attacking him and feeding nihilus health+TM.

Other than that very specific circumstance I agree - don't worry about potency.

I've also tried a few different tactics and now I just open with force crush anyway - at least it means the enemy nihilus uses drain force immediately when most of my team aren't debuffed.
tylerpeacock21
7 years ago
I've not had this problem since introducing traya to the team, even if the enemy DN goes first I generally still win
kevsmart75
7 years ago
"VonZant;d-174146" wrote:
I got lucky and pulled a +18 speed secondary from a 4 dot mod from the mod store last night. Moved another mod around and added 10 speed to my Vader so he is now 240 instead of 230. I was excited. Usually hover 30-70 range before.

I lost every single game today against Sion/Nihilus combo. Yes, I know how they work, and for a week or so tried to open with a basic on Nihilus against slower teams. I found that just using force crush anway usually worked out better. But now I am not sure. Should I drop 8 or so speed and put a potency cross on Vader, or just blame it on RNG?

So, what do you do against a slower Vader/Sion/Nihilus, how do you do it, and why? Discuss.

Opening with FC vs DN/Sion is a big chance, sometimes it works for you and sometimes it doesn't. Yeah it makes their DN go next, but on the other hand not all of your guys will have debuffs so they aren't guaranteed to reduce DN's Annihilate cooldown. I went through the same thought process as you, tried using the basic first on EP to prevent the stuns but found that in general I was better off throwing the DOTs out to get the TM train rolling. I'd chalk your experience up to RNG and keep going as is.
DVZR
7 years ago
Has anyone tried Maul in place of Thrawn and Sith Trooper instead of Sion? If he gets daze off against another EP team (or even JTR) seems like it would be gg. Or is he just too squishy to make it that far?
almightywood
7 years ago
"FailingCrab;c-1587582" wrote:
"Waqui;c-1587513" wrote:
Potency does absolutely nothing for you as long as your potency is not lower than 15% lower than the enemy tenacity. F.ex. if your potency is 55% and your enemie's tenacity is 70% or lower, then more potency is a waste.

Sion has +100% tenacity against enemies with pain. I recently switched from a potency cross to a protection cross on Palp for more speed, but it means that I have a bit of trouble getting shock to land on Sion so have to waste more turns attacking him and feeding nihilus health+TM.

Other than that very specific circumstance I agree - don't worry about potency.

I've also tried a few different tactics and now I just open with force crush anyway - at least it means the enemy nihilus uses drain force immediately when most of my team aren't debuffed.

There's several characters that get tenacity boosts, Sion, CLS, Kanaan... I don't care who they are or what they do, I would never stack potency on anyone except someone who gets another benefit from them. Sidious, Boba lead bounty hunters, THOSE I would stack potency on because it increases their survivability.

In general though, it is a horrible idea to sacrifice speed or offense for potency in arena. Stacking potency is a pointless endeavor, just like tenacity is. It always will be too, until they either double the amount of tenacity a person gets on mods (primary, secondary, & set bonus), or make the tenacity/potency ratio start at 50% instead of 15%.

I wouldn't stack potency on Vader unless it was for a raid where landing debuffs was an issue. In arena???? NEVER!!! Especially not under a Palpatine lead.
kevsmart75
7 years ago
"VonZant;c-1587775" wrote:
Has anyone tried Maul in place of Thrawn and Sith Trooper instead of Sion? If he gets daze off against another EP team (or even JTR) seems like it would be gg. Or is he just too squishy to make it that far?

Maul is terrible if he isn't lead unless you are facing all Jedi like in Places of Power. If you want an AoE daze you're better off with Wampa or Nest.

I didn't find SiT to be that great under EP either. I don't know why you would consider dropping Sion, especially if you are using DN. If anything you'd run both, not substitute SiT for Sion.
DVZR
7 years ago
Im not stacking potency on him. It just so happens that a potency cross is my next fastest mod. ;)

Potency is useful on zFinn resistance. Also some characters have really low base potency and need at least a cross even in arena so they can land their main debuff. My g11 Holdo with 7% base potency come to mind.
almightywood
7 years ago

"kevsmart;c-1587797" wrote:
"VonZant;c-1587775" wrote:
Has anyone tried Maul in place of Thrawn and Sith Trooper instead of Sion? If he gets daze off against another EP team (or even JTR) seems like it would be gg. Or is he just too squishy to make it that far?

Maul is terrible if he isn't lead unless you are facing all Jedi like in Places of Power. If you want an AoE daze you're better off with Wampa or Nest.

I didn't find SiT to be that great under EP either. I don't know why you would consider dropping Sion, especially if you are using DN. If anything you'd run both, not substitute SiT for Sion.

Guy in my shard was running a Zaul lead with the STR and SithAss. Was very effective. Then again I have yet to beat a Traya at all.
kevsmart75
7 years ago
"Woodroward;c-1587805" wrote:

"kevsmart;c-1587797" wrote:
"VonZant;c-1587775" wrote:
Has anyone tried Maul in place of Thrawn and Sith Trooper instead of Sion? If he gets daze off against another EP team (or even JTR) seems like it would be gg. Or is he just too squishy to make it that far?

Maul is terrible if he isn't lead unless you are facing all Jedi like in Places of Power. If you want an AoE daze you're better off with Wampa or Nest.

I didn't find SiT to be that great under EP either. I don't know why you would consider dropping Sion, especially if you are using DN. If anything you'd run both, not substitute SiT for Sion.

Guy in my shard was running a Zaul lead with the STR and SithAss. Was very effective. Then again I have yet to beat a Traya at all.

It works but he is still a distant 3rd best Sith leader.