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7 years ago

Ventress vs. MT Lead

Hi everyone,

I'm really hesitating between the two and would be really grateful if you could share what you believe are the pros and cons of each.

My shard is pretty mixed atm with CLS, GZarriss, Rey, a few MT and a couple of Ventress leads.

I have 3, soon to be 4 zetas, saved and would like to know the priority order with whichever team you reckon I should pursue.

I have a MT lead, Daka, AV, NA, NZ team sharing my payout and I would like to maybe have a NS team that defends well against that comp. I'm under the impression Ventress does but I'm wondering if going AV lead would maybe weaken me against other team comps such as General Zarriss.

I've recently seen a move towards AV lead, MT, Daka, Zombie and Zarriss or GK as 5th. I get Zarriss (btw is it a good all around team on defense?) but fail to see why GK besides for the crit damage immunity.

Last, given the bug around MT lead and TM gain being corrected, is it substantially improving her lead?

Thanks a lot for the help!
  • I have not zetad talzin. So can’t speak for that. I have double zeta asajj. Personally I really love it. It’s invaluable in raids. Really great in arena. Climbed under 100 in arena first time with ventress lead.

    Speaking just from theory... I would say talzin lead would probably be better vs zaul leads while ventress better vs. chirrut/Baze teams. Talzin would be slightly better vs cls lead (debatable) for more potency on stuns for focus fire to avoid counters.

    I would say ventress is probably better for more variety of things (raid, arena, DS TB). But purely arena I would say talzin is probably better. She has fewer weaknesses from what I’ve seen.
  • Well I wanted to share a status update. Went for zzVentress lead and I'm quite happy about it so far.

    - zzAV Lead: cd/cc mods with offense on cross primary for additional damage and G12 Bayonet. c.180 speed
    - zMT: Speed and Health mods, +116 speed
    - Daka: Health x2, Potency x1 (have a +15 speed potency cross with health primary that I wanted to use), +100 speed
    - GK: +90 speed, 2x Health, x1 Defense (had 2x defense but swapped one set for Health where I have more speed)
    - Zombie: G9 (for speed gear), Speed and Health. 200 speed in total

    I stayed in the top 10 overnight and the annoyance sharing my payout with a MT lead hasn't taken my position despite behind 4 places behind me atm. So fingers crossed it might be a tough team for MT leads.

    I'm 11/20 for the next zeta. Heard that Zarriss could work well instead of GK but she needs tons of speed and a huge health pool to have a substantial impact when paired with the Sisters. I'm also considering putting a zeta on MT's lead since the CLS event is coming back and MT lead is annoying for CLS leads. In parallel I'm gearing up NS Acolyte - she needs tons of useless blue gears that I don't have anymore...

    I heard mixed reviews from Daka's unique zeta. Does it really shine under Ventress lead?
  • "Smapty;c-1401146" wrote:
    MT is better in arena... just for the revives

    Make her super fast...


    Seems very good in DS TB as well.
  • "JohnnySteelAlpha;c-1401300" wrote:
    "Smapty;c-1401146" wrote:
    MT is better in arena... just for the revives

    Make her super fast...


    Seems very good in DS TB as well.


    Both MT and Ventress leads are great for TB
  • "Darth_Julienus1;c-1401280" wrote:
    Well I wanted to share a status update. Went for zzVentress lead and I'm quite happy about it so far.

    - zzAV Lead: cd/cc mods with offense on cross primary for additional damage and G12 Bayonet. c.180 speed
    - zMT: Speed and Health mods, +116 speed
    - Daka: Health x2, Potency x1 (have a +15 speed potency cross with health primary that I wanted to use), +100 speed
    - GK: +90 speed, 2x Health, x1 Defense (had 2x defense but swapped one set for Health where I have more speed)
    - Zombie: G9 (for speed gear), Speed and Health. 200 speed in total

    I stayed in the top 10 overnight and the annoyance sharing my payout with a MT lead hasn't taken my position despite behind 4 places behind me atm. So fingers crossed it might be a tough team for MT leads.

    I'm 11/20 for the next zeta. Heard that Zarriss could work well instead of GK but she needs tons of speed and a huge health pool to have a substantial impact when paired with the Sisters. I'm also considering putting a zeta on MT's lead since the CLS event is coming back and MT lead is annoying for CLS leads. In parallel I'm gearing up NS Acolyte - she needs tons of useless blue gears that I don't have anymore...

    I heard mixed reviews from Daka's unique zeta. Does it really shine under Ventress lead?


    It's not an annoyance at all for MT lead. I have run NS since release. I have had Asajj maxed out with dual zeta before MT was even released. She is a good lead in raids, actually probably one of the best leads for raids. However, in arena she is second to MT, I ran Asajj until I had my MT geared up enough to try in arena. I play on a day 1 server and I hold on defense far better than when I have Asajj in as leader. Asajj is still my favorite NS, but as leader in arena MT is without a doubt a much better lead.
  • "christopher152003;c-1405747" wrote:
    "Darth_Julienus1;c-1401280" wrote:
    Well I wanted to share a status update. Went for zzVentress lead and I'm quite happy about it so far.

    - zzAV Lead: cd/cc mods with offense on cross primary for additional damage and G12 Bayonet. c.180 speed
    - zMT: Speed and Health mods, +116 speed
    - Daka: Health x2, Potency x1 (have a +15 speed potency cross with health primary that I wanted to use), +100 speed
    - GK: +90 speed, 2x Health, x1 Defense (had 2x defense but swapped one set for Health where I have more speed)
    - Zombie: G9 (for speed gear), Speed and Health. 200 speed in total

    I stayed in the top 10 overnight and the annoyance sharing my payout with a MT lead hasn't taken my position despite behind 4 places behind me atm. So fingers crossed it might be a tough team for MT leads.

    I'm 11/20 for the next zeta. Heard that Zarriss could work well instead of GK but she needs tons of speed and a huge health pool to have a substantial impact when paired with the Sisters. I'm also considering putting a zeta on MT's lead since the CLS event is coming back and MT lead is annoying for CLS leads. In parallel I'm gearing up NS Acolyte - she needs tons of useless blue gears that I don't have anymore...

    I heard mixed reviews from Daka's unique zeta. Does it really shine under Ventress lead?


    It's not an annoyance at all for MT lead. I have run NS since release. I have had Asajj maxed out with dual zeta before MT was even released. She is a good lead in raids, actually probably one of the best leads for raids. However, in arena she is second to MT, I ran Asajj until I had my MT geared up enough to try in arena. I play on a day 1 server and I hold on defense far better than when I have Asajj in as leader. Asajj is still my favorite NS, but as leader in arena MT is without a doubt a much better lead.


    I'd be interested to hear why you think so. Ventress leads hold better on my shards and the MT leads struggle to beat them. Now, I'm on a 1 year shard so less mature and with less competitive mods I guess too. Which team are you using, what's your speed sequence and which are your main opponents in arena? Rey struggles against both leads but probably MT more.
  • "Darth_Julienus1;c-1405830" wrote:
    "christopher152003;c-1405747" wrote:
    "Darth_Julienus1;c-1401280" wrote:
    Well I wanted to share a status update. Went for zzVentress lead and I'm quite happy about it so far.

    - zzAV Lead: cd/cc mods with offense on cross primary for additional damage and G12 Bayonet. c.180 speed
    - zMT: Speed and Health mods, +116 speed
    - Daka: Health x2, Potency x1 (have a +15 speed potency cross with health primary that I wanted to use), +100 speed
    - GK: +90 speed, 2x Health, x1 Defense (had 2x defense but swapped one set for Health where I have more speed)
    - Zombie: G9 (for speed gear), Speed and Health. 200 speed in total

    I stayed in the top 10 overnight and the annoyance sharing my payout with a MT lead hasn't taken my position despite behind 4 places behind me atm. So fingers crossed it might be a tough team for MT leads.

    I'm 11/20 for the next zeta. Heard that Zarriss could work well instead of GK but she needs tons of speed and a huge health pool to have a substantial impact when paired with the Sisters. I'm also considering putting a zeta on MT's lead since the CLS event is coming back and MT lead is annoying for CLS leads. In parallel I'm gearing up NS Acolyte - she needs tons of useless blue gears that I don't have anymore...

    I heard mixed reviews from Daka's unique zeta. Does it really shine under Ventress lead?


    It's not an annoyance at all for MT lead. I have run NS since release. I have had Asajj maxed out with dual zeta before MT was even released. She is a good lead in raids, actually probably one of the best leads for raids. However, in arena she is second to MT, I ran Asajj until I had my MT geared up enough to try in arena. I play on a day 1 server and I hold on defense far better than when I have Asajj in as leader. Asajj is still my favorite NS, but as leader in arena MT is without a doubt a much better lead.


    I'd be interested to hear why you think so. Ventress leads hold better on my shards and the MT leads struggle to beat them. Now, I'm on a 1 year shard so less mature and with less competitive mods I guess too. Which team are you using, what's your speed sequence and which are your main opponents in arena? Rey struggles against both leads but probably MT more.


    Why do I think so? Experience. All of my NS are gl12 with the exception of MT and nsz,and even though MT is gl11 6 star I still hold better with her. Speed all of mine are over 200 with most over 220. Main teams I face CLS variants with some baze malbus on them, some RJT. There are 4 ns teams on my shard one started with Asajj but quickly put an Mt lead in because he couldn't hold rank like the rest of us.

    I don't think Mt is a better arena lead experience has proven it to me.
  • "Darth_Julienus1;c-1405830" wrote:
    "christopher152003;c-1405747" wrote:
    "Darth_Julienus1;c-1401280" wrote:
    Well I wanted to share a status update. Went for zzVentress lead and I'm quite happy about it so far.

    - zzAV Lead: cd/cc mods with offense on cross primary for additional damage and G12 Bayonet. c.180 speed
    - zMT: Speed and Health mods, +116 speed
    - Daka: Health x2, Potency x1 (have a +15 speed potency cross with health primary that I wanted to use), +100 speed
    - GK: +90 speed, 2x Health, x1 Defense (had 2x defense but swapped one set for Health where I have more speed)
    - Zombie: G9 (for speed gear), Speed and Health. 200 speed in total

    I stayed in the top 10 overnight and the annoyance sharing my payout with a MT lead hasn't taken my position despite behind 4 places behind me atm. So fingers crossed it might be a tough team for MT leads.

    I'm 11/20 for the next zeta. Heard that Zarriss could work well instead of GK but she needs tons of speed and a huge health pool to have a substantial impact when paired with the Sisters. I'm also considering putting a zeta on MT's lead since the CLS event is coming back and MT lead is annoying for CLS leads. In parallel I'm gearing up NS Acolyte - she needs tons of useless blue gears that I don't have anymore...

    I heard mixed reviews from Daka's unique zeta. Does it really shine under Ventress lead?


    It's not an annoyance at all for MT lead. I have run NS since release. I have had Asajj maxed out with dual zeta before MT was even released. She is a good lead in raids, actually probably one of the best leads for raids. However, in arena she is second to MT, I ran Asajj until I had my MT geared up enough to try in arena. I play on a day 1 server and I hold on defense far better than when I have Asajj in as leader. Asajj is still my favorite NS, but as leader in arena MT is without a doubt a much better lead.


    I'd be interested to hear why you think so. Ventress leads hold better on my shards and the MT leads struggle to beat them. Now, I'm on a 1 year shard so less mature and with less competitive mods I guess too. Which team are you using, what's your speed sequence and which are your main opponents in arena? Rey struggles against both leads but probably MT more.


    Experience with NS. I run MT lead, ventrezz, Daka, Acolyte, and nsz.

    As far as what I fight, you name it I fight it.

    https://swgoh.gg/u/croger152003/collection/
  • "christopher152003;c-1405883" wrote:

    Experience with NS. I run MT lead, ventrezz, Daka, Acolyte, and nsz.

    As far as what I fight, you name it I fight it.

    https://swgoh.gg/u/croger152003/collection/


    You must be pretty lucky with your shard then, the mods on your NS are average. 211 speed on MT, 221 on Daka, 238 on NSA... Even with the speed boost from MT lead that leaves plenty of well modded teams the speed advantage to fracture zombie, put buff immunity on NSA and stun Daka with Zolo...

    https://swgoh.gg/u/darthjulienus/