Moon Base Charlie /Moon Base Delta w/Sims

Writin_Reg wrote:
Not to but in here or anything - do any of you know Pescado well enough to perhaps bounce the stuttering issue off of him, as he may have an idea why it is doing that. I was particularly caught up in this thread when DD said she saved the perfectly running world only to restart it up the next day with the problem again - and it appeared to be multiplying in a save that can go from perfect to eventually unplayable in a matter of hours and while the game was shut down no less. Mind boogling! It might be possible Pes knows something that you guys might need to do that keep the stuttering at bay.


My personal opinion - which I by all right should keep to myself as I have not loaded this world since way back when it was first finished - but I still wonder if those domes are not playing a part in this as they are considered an neighborhood object aren't they and not a build mode - playable object, or am I wrong about that? Where I'm going with this is the constant issue of certain objects after a period of time falling underground. It was one thing when it was just landscaping, but since late night I am also seeing lots of fountains too. But in the case of the fountains they are not technically falling through the ground just showing up underground below where they are placed above ground.

They are now build objects and not only world objects~ Late Night added them. There is one in Bridgeport as a Community park.

Having had issues testing Aunty Lynds Medieval World where falling trees made the entire world go stuttering solely because the witches house trees blocked the underground stairs to the world layer from the underground hospital and trapped half the town underground - for me the world became unplayable until I could again regain entrants and exits for the sims up to the regular world. But fountains are way bigger than trees and domes are way bigger than fountains. Could the domes be trying to go underground also, but having the houses under them keep them from going underground?

It's just a thought, as I have found just about any "trick" used to change what EA programmed something to do tends to make the game do things it would not ordinarily do and hince might just be the cause for the stuttering?

No. I did have a Sim enter EAs dome in Bridgport. It's the same build style.
It's a good thought. :)

Also, are the domes in this world the newest versions or is there just one version? Rflong when you rebuilt the world did you use all new stuff from the neighborhood build stuff, or is that original domes still from the base game. That may make a difference if EA has changed the programming on any of the neighborhood stuff which odds are they did for users to use that stuff in edit world or would edit world and CAW have a different set of "Stuff" for neighborhood decorations?

All new domes added in EIG on lots. :)

It could be something as simple as still having old un-updated stuff in the same world as new stuff colliding.

But what would it be- Military base/every building? I would have to go through every lot to change out each building- which is why I'm redoing the whole world. Not just rebuilding what was there but a new world map. :D

If anyone know Pes well enough perhaps ask him to look at the files and see if he sees anything weird as he know exactly how the programming files supposed to look.

It's okay. I will find it myself. I've only poked him a few times when he and his group would wander onto TS2 forum. :lol:
Yeah, I did and his minions would tell be I wasn't doing it right. Like I didn't know what I was doing. :lmao:

Just a bunch of ideas, and I don't know if it even helps because they are so scattered. I am after all intruding, I know and if nothing is relevant just forget I said anything.

Oh and thanks for the compliments on my testing WW. I do hope I checked every flake of snow, or I just know I won't be as happy with the job I did. hehehe


Needless to say the probs you guys are having here is mind blowing, and keeps me as distant as possible from this place. But it is so lovely now to look at, so i do hope you guys find an answer.

I may not find the problem but I will redo my world. ;)

Yay, WW--so glad to see you here even if you're not able to help it's just a comforting thing to know you read the thread. I figured if I was stating something blatantly wrong you'd catch it. As I am only writing what I observe and can guess at, nothing is truly known by me.

I started a fresh version of the town. I have noted in this town, as in the previous one...stutters occuring around the time of very late night that the paparrazi starts stalking my celebrity vampire's house. It takes her a long time to actually come in. I can see her on the horizon as she appears at the road where my 20 Landing Crater house is located. She is actually somewhere between 20 Landing Crater and the next lot on that street. I didn't see her enter my property because she sneaked around while my sims were playing musical instruments and I was working on them.

There were big delays when my sim tried to talk to her once she got into the house. I don't know if it's pure coincidence, but once she left the property the stutters eased up immediately and then went away all together.

So far in watching the theater, it did not seem that the stutters corresponded to movie showtimes, yet. But this is the first day and it took sims most of the day to appear on that lot.

I think that it's cool you are up for redoing the world. I just hope DD and I can find what caused this one to be blinkered so we can help you and others avoid similar breakdowns in the future worlds.

I watched the military base while my Sims were in classes. I didn't see anything going on whatsoever in them while my sims were on other lots. I didn't get stuttering on this first day in the new save until the paparrazi appeared on my home lot as described in my last post. I can't even begin to know if the paparrazi appearing triggered the stutters or what. I am trying to remember if something similar happened when my apartment in Bridgeport got invaded by one.

The only delays I can remember offhand in Bridgeport came from anytime I click on a mixologist. The options menu doesn't always come up right away. there's a delay.

Yeah, I do think you have a handle on the issue, especially totally rebuilding, that way you are sure all items are updated. It just isn't fair to builders, but when I saw even EA's worlds bork when they decided to make the game add Ambitions lots, that is what made me think that perhaps you were getting a similar problem by combining old programmed rabbit holes and new Late Night stuff. Although I do not know if that was what made the Ambitions lots or at least the firestation do that, I have a suspicion, as EA did change a lot of Build programming with Ambitions to accommendate the world editor, and then they messed with it again for the new LN buildings. To me it was sort of like have mods that are not updated. From my understanding in the patch they simply updated all their carrer and rabbithole buildings. Unfortunately for people trying to use their own Ambitions lots they made for Ambitions in Late Night, their issues may still be there unless they rebuild them. I don't know this to be a fact though, but logic simply indicates this may be the issue.

Writin_Reg wrote:
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Rflong: The issue in WW though even though it might have been a problem latter was not causing weirdness yet anyway. Just for the heck of it, I have left that building in Isle of Sims that I set up just to test that building, just to make sure it does not cause some lingering after affects even with it left in there. If it does create havoc, I can at least send a personal email off to one of the head engineer/producers at EA that I actually know. He actually worked on Sims 2 and now works on the console versions of the game - but he can communicate with the Sims 3 engineers perhaps and get that building changed. I highly doubt I will get anywhere if the thing does not do some sort of damage. it is not likely they will change a building that just makes the sims do something unusal, and so far I'm not seeing anything weird in Isle of Sims. I did leave it running while I took my shower and did some chores earlier. Then I checked out a few sims and sent them to a few different places to see if anyone acted odd. I also checked out the 4 sims I have with the film career occupations and they are all as normal as sims can possibly be anyway. So I do not think that building created any rifts, but I plan to leave it there and just let the world play itself for a few days to be sure. Then if I do see anything, I will take it out and replace it like you did in WW. The only thing that worried me is the fact it is tagged improperly for a backlot, as the other two backlots are not tagged like that with the home owners association crap. This is why I am watching it.

When you removed the Movie lot did you notice anything weird with the empty lot? I think I remember you saying something about it... Maybe not.

Once I removed the lot in game it left the blue hole- which does usually means corrupt CC or a corrupt lot.
It's why I went back to an earlier save to find where the lot was normal before removing it there and continuing on.
I backed it up and started again. It was fine and then it wasn't.

Yeah, I know what you mean about the "Minions" there, they can be quite brutal. Apparently none of us know as much as they do, and sadly I have to admit that in my case they would probably be right, but I would not agree with that assumption and you. I have never seen anyone come close to your builds and all the hair pulling you put into every single world. You deserve far more credit than you get... i just wish you had more confidence and just realized how great you really are at this world building. You sometimes seem like you are not so sure. Believe me if all other builders gave to their world what you do, there would not be a bad world out there anywhere.

But suggesting Pes was because I have seen people send him files that he looks at and he finds their problem in less than a few hours - mainly because 9 times out of 10 it's a programming fluke which is usually some bit of weirdness EA did, but Pes has figured out how people can counter the flakiness to make the thing work. But usually the senders are one of his close knit group or another well known and talented modder that has his respect. I have no clue what he thinks of world creators, but judging from lurking there a lot I do think he does not see creators very high on the knowledge food chain because they aren't some kind of programmer. So it would be intimidating to say the least if Pes does not at least have a lot of respect for the one asking.

I must say he has spoke with me a few times, mainly since sims 3 came out and I never opened my mouth on that site with Sims 2 - they'd poke me just for being long winded, but each time I did speak with him and got a reply - even an outright conversation a few times, he was helpful and no one poked. But i would not dream of going to him with something that was not mine for sure. I just did not know if you knew him or maybe DD might.

Nope, I did not get a blue lot. The problem I got was when I bulldozed the entire lot and tried to place the 64 x 64 lot there - I got a pop up telling me I could not place a lot on lots. I had bulldozed twice, once for the building and again for the lot - but I did that in a totally new start up with no sims in it, not in the populated version I had been testing. I try to solve things in copies of the world and then fix the world after I find all the answer - of the world I am actually testing.


As it ended up in the world I was testing with the sims in it, I just bulldozed the lot once to remove the building, and then ended up setting down the small back lot from the build mode community lots that would fit on that 50 x 50. I did add pavement under the building and to the road after placing the lot. But I never got a blue lot.

Also that building did not change after you placed it - it is a borked building to start with, as neither the Bridgeport version nor that small version in community lots build mode show the home association BS, but that version does that right off the bat. Like I said in one post some of EA bars get the same thing as if they are labeled as apartments and not bars and they won't allow us to do anything on the lot or outside the building period. When I was placing some of those lots in Longview, I came up with that restriction on some buildings, but not in all of them. Typical EA screwup if you ask me. They need to reflag those buildings that are not apartments in the programming. I discovered it when I tried deleting the parking places in the high rise parking things, and then again when I tried to place sidewalk from one of the clubs to the side walk in the hood. Yet I had no problem doing the same thing to one of the other bars. So ea is not even consistant on top of all else.

But the version that was in WW is messed up by EA and it is not fixable by us or caused by us.

This was the last world I played last night before turning in. The stutters in this game have started appearing only between 7:00 am and about 11:00 am and then again from about 12:15 am to about 2:15 am. Leastwise, that is how it was last night. It seems I can't count on continuity from one play session to another, which is puzzling.

I also saw something reported in Twallan's MC mod when I checked population that I have never seen before. The first check showed 26 households with 24 residents. How in the heck can one have more households then occupants? I didn't know what to make of that. The second check right before I quit showed 27 households with 27 residents. That seems skewed to me, too, because I know at least one home has parents and 3 kids and another has 3 adults and one child. I'm not sure what to make of those numbers but was too tired to try to analyze in depth. I'll take a closer look at the town family screen today.

There were only 3 homes available for move-in and the homeless count was 22. I had hoped that adding in the extra beds to those 2 homes might allow the game engine to set up roomie households. I went ahead and duped one of the empty homes, the orange dome one because it was empty and placed it on a lot and added my Revelry house I built for Isle of Sims on a lot without a dome to get more housing in place.

Oh, gosh, can't forget to add what I consider a big yay for MBC. I took a sim back to the dig site lot and she was able to excavate one of the piles! I didn't get to try the second pile because she had to get home for a party but there was a whoop of joy when that first try went off without a htich :lol:

Wow, that is strange. :shock:

The dig site spawners still work on lots. :mrgreen: