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DivinylsFan
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11 years ago

Very Bad Stuck, whole town at Hogan's Diner back door, Riverview

I wondered where everyone had got to then I followed one of my sim's on a date to the Hogan's Deep Fried Diner and found everyone in the town that was missing, stuck at the back door. There's not enough room for them to leave past the air conditioner pipe and they don't go the other way either, they're all piled in together in one square stamping their feet in frustration. It's the default diner in Riverview, and I guess it's the same lot design in each World, with the diner building situated right near the edge of the lot.
One of my sims got stuck there once when going there for a snack before work at the hospital, so I exited without saving and came back and decided not to send anyone there again for a while, until now and thought I'll just keep an eye on them this time, but the sims I don't control, the townies, had been there in the meantime and are all stuck.
How can I edit the lot so the building is not right up against the edge or how do I move those sims?
Was there a patch for it that I need? I have 1.66 only as I only just bought the game before that one and I was told by someone else here I don't need the previous one's. I'm not getting 1.67 because I've seen a lot of complaints on these boards about it.
Actually I seem to remember the Hogan's diner in Sunset Valley had the picnic tables to the side instead of the front, so it's not the same design in each world ..
man, I'm sick of starting again, done it four or five times now while I'm finding my way.
  • hi DivinylsFan

    it sounds like your game had an old bug see here
    http://sims3.crinrict.com/en/2011/04/bug-crowd-gatherings-on-community-lots.html

    now i havent seen too many people report this bug recently so my question to you is what is your game patch?

    and let me say i totally agree with Sue_D_Nim the first set of advice your rec'd are solid ways to handle this problem

    and if you modded sims 2 you should really stop by nraas and fill up - sims 3 has more games glitches and nraas is the answer to most of them.

    also i when i first started playing sims 3 i thought my sims 2 knowledge would make playing the game easy. wrong :) i couldnt even place an empty lot and had to google the answer. just know the UI for sims 3 is different enough and only very few things are the same in terms of cheats and game play

    so see if this guide helps
    http://www.carls-sims-3-guide.com/

    good luck
  • As a note, you should never use the "MoveObjects On" cheat on sims. It can cause issues in your game rather rapidly. Using the MoveObjects On cheat (or MOO, for short) is not a great idea to use on any sim objects that can be interacted with (i.e. tables, stoves, beds, etc) as it can cause a lot of issues with your game when sims try to use them, even if they have space.

    In some people's games, using MOO even a little, can cause lag and freezing. unfortunately, my games have always had issues with the building cheats. Other people though, seem to have little issue with it being used in their games. I think most people tend to fall in between. In general, it is best to save MOO for items that won't be interacted with like landscaping plants and such.

    From what I have read, the biggest issue with MOO is that it is a Sims 2 tool that was adapted to work in Sims 3, but not made for it. So it is a kind of use-at-your-own-risk type thing.

    As for the Culinary career, there is no beginning level site for the career path. If you had walked your sim down to the Bistro and had them get their job there, they would have started out at level one there. I think it is random when you use the newspaper or computer. You should be able to take your sim to the Bistro and switch their job to that rabbithole. If not and you are still low-level in the career, there really isn't much point to not just quitting one and then going to get it at the other if you still want to delete the Diner.


    The lot placement with the arrows only happens in Edit Town when you are placing a lot from there. By picking up the Diner in Edit Town and trying to place it back down, you would be 'placing it' so you would get the arrows. The arrows only really do anything though if you are placing a smaller lot onto a bigger one though.
    For example, say you really like your sim's starting house and want to move it to a bigger lot so you'll have a bigger yard... now you can pick up your lot in Edit Town (with the Move Lot option/the hand) and place it on a bigger lot. For a long time, this meant your old lot would end up right in the middle of the empty, bigger lot. Now with the arrows though, you can move your home lot onto the bigger lot and then adjust where it sits on the lot. This helps if say you want the room for a pool in the back or a big front lawn, and so forth.

    With the Diner the arrows would not help because you would be placing down the same sized lot. However picking the lot up and then placing it back down in Edit Town would have evicted everyone off that lot and onto the sidewalk around the Diner lot, where hopefully they would not be stuck any more.

    The school stuck sim issue is not the same as the issue where sims used to get caught on commercial lots. On the school lot they get 'caught' because too many sims are trying to enter into the rabbithole at once, so in this case, adding a second school and replacing the original (to reset it) would help because it would split the students up between the schools.
    The issue with sims stuck on commercial lots that used to happen a lot (I am pretty sure it was patched at some point) was not because sims couldn't enter or exit the rabbithole, they would just all get 'stuck' there where as far as you could see there was nothing in the way or any reason to be stuck. They would often stay there until they died.
    Since you said that your sims were stuck because of the air conditioner, then that isn't exactly the same thing either. The only place that I have seen this issue is in the newer world Roaring Heights, because of the pier. The solution there was to move the diner or delete the air conditioner. If the air conditioner in question is not a separate unit then, the only option to retain the Diner would be to move the Diner while in build/buy mode. That would require that you move any objects in the way first (like tables, trashcans, and such) then moving the Diner rabbithole itself a little forward. You might have to use MOO to be able to place it down again. Just make sure when you put the other objects back in place that you leave enough room for sims to use/interact with them and to enter/exit the building without route failure or getting stuck. And always remember to turn off MOO when you are done with it or it can cause issues!

    I second the advice to not expect everything to be like the Sims 2, it is a lot different. The guide site linked for you above is a good place to start.


    Also, keep in mind that Sims 3 is a VERY glitchy game, many of the bugs and issues from years ago are still not fixed. Many people have to use Twallan's Overwatch and Error Trap mods to be able to play their games without them becoming corrupt and/or lagfests, as they attempt to fix/work around so many of the unfixed issues and bugs.
    I had so many issues with CC/mods in Sims 2 that I swore off them when I started playing Sims 3. But at some point I had to start modding my game just to be able to keep playing. Thankfully, Twallan is such a good modder and I've never had any issues with his mods except when I did not update them to my current patch level.


    Good Luck!
  • Thanks for all the advice.

    There's only a few weeks til Sims 4, and that's the only reason why I'm playing Sims 3, to get used to the gameplay in case it's a good progression from 2 to 4.
    I never liked the look of 3, but I like the look of 4, so I'm just playing 3 to get ready for it.

    I hope they get it right with 4.

    with the absolute switch they made everyone do from 2 to 3 by totally closing 2 and all support, I was under the impression it had proper money put into it working properly and such, the money they'd be making off having to buy sim points, the xp's and stuff packs brought out so quickly after another. no wonder as you've said the forum has gotten so quiet, people have probably gotten too sick of all the bugs.

    so you'd think they'd want to get 4 right. I think Will Wright must have taken his secret recipe with him.

    why is it unpaid community modders are seemingly smarter at writing code to make the game play properly, than the paid company techs? you'd think a for profit company would be concerned about quality control.

    beginning to get totally disenchanted
  • FYI: Sims 4 is not a few weeks away but months away. I will not be released until the end of this year (2014). I hope this helps. Happy Simmin!! :)
  • Release date at my local EB Games store at my local shopping centre here in Australia, is March. That's a few weeks away.
  • sorry Meela_Pasht is correct sims 4 will be released Sept 2014.

    http://www.kpopstarz.com/articles/73977/20140114/sims-4-release-date-news-updates-ea-tv-shows-sims-3.htm
  • Yes, the release date got pushed back. They had originally planned to release it in the Spring. They have made poor/somewhat insulting excuses as to why it was delayed, but honestly I think the real reason was because they needed to. But you can't tell your shareholders that! lol

    Hopefully, the delay will mean they will fill the game out more then it was originally intended to be and we will get a better game in the fall. :)


    As for Sims 3, yeah it is full of bugs and glitches. I don't think it is exactly because the devs didn't care about quality, but between deadlines and a horrible game engine. Hopefully, the Sims 4 engine will be better and more adaptable.
  • I’m having the same problem with the diner in RV. The air condition is attached to the building itself it’s not one of the ones you can add or delete. And the building is so big that the air conditioning is right on the line of out of bounds so when they exit they legit get stuck because they can’t go past it. Sorry if someone already said this. Just letting you know you aren’t alone with this problem:)
  • "Alexyslouwho;c-17810408" wrote:
    I’m having the same problem with the diner in RV. The air condition is attached to the building itself it’s not one of the ones you can add or delete. And the building is so big that the air conditioning is right on the line of out of bounds so when they exit they legit get stuck because they can’t go past it. Sorry if someone already said this. Just letting you know you aren’t alone with this problem:)


    Get NRAAS errortrap or overwatch or even both! I've never had this problem before but that's what I'd look into.