Do you want story progression?

I definitely think there should be story progression. I've had to do it myself in some cases (especially with members of the main family I no longer control), and this would be so much easier and more interesting. A toggle would be nice, but I would still like it even without a toggle.

I disliked it totally in Sims 3 and kept it shut off - so if they do offer it - and patch it in - I hope it comes with an off button. The thing I hated most in Sims 3 SP besides non-played sims procreating worse than rabbits - was when the SP would go after my own sims I played in rotation - ones I did not want to have a job outside of the household until they had degrees and I was planning their futures - I experienced even SP making them have babies when I did not want them to have babies. I played so my sims didn't have babies until they were established in their career, had Uni behind them - got married and had turned adult age - but sp didn't see it my way. Rotational play in Sims 3 was hard enough without the game doing it's own thing when ever it felt like it because there were not enough babies in the neighborhood - it had no business touching mine.

If I wanted to watch a story I never planned - I'd watch tv - EA sp is just too agressive - as I saw modder made sp a lot less agressive and I did not even use that. So No - unless it can be shut off - then please no SP. Sims 2 was fine with no sp.

"Writin_Reg;c-16599321" wrote:
I disliked it totally in Sims 3 and kept it shut off - so if they do offer it - and patch it in - I hope it comes with an off button. The thing I hated most in Sims 3 SP besides non-played sims procreating worse than rabbits - was when the SP would go after my own sims I played in rotation - ones I did not want to have a job outside of the household until they had degrees and I was planning their futures - I experienced even SP making them have babies when I did not want them to have babies. I played so my sims didn't have babies until they were established in their career, had Uni behind them - got married and had turned adult age - but sp didn't see it my way. Rotational play in Sims 3 was hard enough without the game doing it's own thing when ever it felt like it because there were not enough babies in the neighborhood - it had no business touching mine.

If I wanted to watch a story I never planned - I'd watch tv - EA sp is just too agressive - as I saw modder made sp a lot less agressive and I did not even use that. So No - unless it can be shut off - then please no SP. Sims 2 was fine with no sp.

It can be very upsetting at times as in Sims3. I found the parents dead but left the babies in the house

No. My sims world consists of my sims. I don't want the game deciding who hooks up with who, or who gets pregnant, or who works where. That's MY decision when I decide to make it happen.

"Writin_Reg;c-16599321" wrote:
I disliked it totally in Sims 3 and kept it shut off - so if they do offer it - and patch it in - I hope it comes with an off button. The thing I hated most in Sims 3 SP besides non-played sims procreating worse than rabbits - was when the SP would go after my own sims I played in rotation - ones I did not want to have a job outside of the household until they had degrees and I was planning their futures - I experienced even SP making them have babies when I did not want them to have babies. I played so my sims didn't have babies until they were established in their career, had Uni behind them - got married and had turned adult age - but sp didn't see it my way. Rotational play in Sims 3 was hard enough without the game doing it's own thing when ever it felt like it because there were not enough babies in the neighborhood - it had no business touching mine.

If I wanted to watch a story I never planned - I'd watch tv - EA sp is just too agressive - as I saw modder made sp a lot less agressive and I did not even use that. So No - unless it can be shut off - then please no SP. Sims 2 was fine with no sp.

The question is ‘do we want story progression’, not ‘do we want Sims 3’s crippled version of story progression’ (so crippled that after a few years they patched it out of the game). And I think it’s a misconception people who like story progression in their game want the game to be a tv show. Unplanned stuff happening around your sim isn’t like watching a tv show at all, on the contrary, because for players who love that (I for instance don’t care to play rotational at all, for me that would be a bore) it’s in fact the surprises that hand the gameplay. When the girl I had put into my game to become the love interest of my sim appeared to be pregnant after a sim week, I had to deal with that (I loved it and decided to raise the kid). Because it’s the player who will have to decide how their own sims are going to react. Unlike a tv show where everything’s scripted by others, including the lives of the main characters.

"JoAnne65;c-16599606" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16599321" wrote:
I disliked it totally in Sims 3 and kept it shut off - so if they do offer it - and patch it in - I hope it comes with an off button. The thing I hated most in Sims 3 SP besides non-played sims procreating worse than rabbits - was when the SP would go after my own sims I played in rotation - ones I did not want to have a job outside of the household until they had degrees and I was planning their futures - I experienced even SP making them have babies when I did not want them to have babies. I played so my sims didn't have babies until they were established in their career, had Uni behind them - got married and had turned adult age - but sp didn't see it my way. Rotational play in Sims 3 was hard enough without the game doing it's own thing when ever it felt like it because there were not enough babies in the neighborhood - it had no business touching mine.

If I wanted to watch a story I never planned - I'd watch tv - EA sp is just too agressive - as I saw modder made sp a lot less agressive and I did not even use that. So No - unless it can be shut off - then please no SP. Sims 2 was fine with no sp.

The question is ‘do we want story progression’, not ‘do we want Sims 3’s crippled version of story progression’ (so crippled that after a few years they patched it out of the game). And I think it’s a misconception people who like story progression in their game want the game to be a tv show. Unplanned stuff happening around your sim isn’t like watching a tv show at all, on the contrary, because for players who love that (I for instance don’t care to play rotational at all, for me that would be a bore) it’s in fact the surprises that hand the gameplay. When the girl I had put into my game to become the love interest of my sim appeared to be pregnant after a sim week, I had to deal with that (I loved it). Because it’s the player who will have to decide how their own sims are going to react. Unlike a tv show where everything’s scripted by others, including the lives of the main characters.

Exactly.

They don't have to repeat their mistakes this time around. I do agree the original SP was a bit aggressive so to speak, but a lot of polls and a good listen to the community would allow them to better that feature. And obviously there's the perfect scenario of SP+ability to turn it off that's still possible. People are so fixated on TS3 having issues but it is not TS3 we're talking about. SP in TS4 could be something completely new and customizable. If a modder can create SP for TS4 and make it so households chosen by you are bypassed (and it 100% works) no reason to think developers with ivy league degrees can't do it even better.

Just like rotational players don't want their families being out of control, I find the lack of progress in town sad and immersion breaking. There are no toddlers in my town unless I personally make sure to create or download them. At some point all your neighbors just die off having left absolutely nothing behind, not having impacted the world in any way. It's not realistic. When my sim has 5 children, I'm not gonna play every single one of them later on to develop their story. Just like irl, I want them to move out and have lives on their own while I'm focusing on just one heir. I think SP very much belongs in a life simulator, just well designed and customizable. We all want something different from the game but that's why we should be calling for options, not cancelling features important to others. I don't like supernaturals but if I had the power to somehow, magically influence EA decision makers to never ever include them in the series again I would never decide to do that.

I would hope there are options for Sims 4 story progression, if there is to be major story progression in Sims 4.

I would be a very, very angry customer if I was forced to do story progression.

ETA: You know how some simmers complain about Sims 4 not following the “You Rule” selling catchphrase?

That is how I feel about Story Progression—especially without toggles or choices. I would definitely not “rule” in that kind of situation! :rage:

No toggles or no options would be inconsiderate and rude towards some playstyles.

I feel about no SP like others feel about yes SP. It’s spoiling the experience, I don’t feel like my sims are living in an actual world (that includes Sims 3 after they got rid of it and before I discovered mastercontroller). This game is only good with no SP when you like playing rotational. Not everyone does. If you’d be angry when they’d implement SP, maybe you can understand a little how those who do want SP feel without it.

"JoAnne65;c-16601411" wrote:
This game is only good with no SP when you like playing rotational.

I don't play rotationally and would not like SP. I don't think it's necessarily about playing rotationally vs not playing rotationally.

"JoAnne65;c-16601411" wrote:
I feel about no SP like others feel about yes SP. It’s spoiling the experience, I don’t feel like my sims are living in an actual world (that includes Sims 3 after they got rid of it and before I discovered mastercontroller). This game is only good with no SP when you like playing rotational. Not everyone does. If you’d be angry when they’d implement SP, maybe you can understand a little how those who do want SP feel without it.

...But it would change the game I have invested in the beginning. It brought me back into the Sims after the Sims 3 where I felt left out. One of the reasons I got into Sims 4 was because it did NOT have SP.

If you’re upset by lack of SP, then you would need to consider those of us who do not always want forced SP, too. It’s a never ending circle.

It goes both ways, and the best way to appease both sides is to provide options and toggles.

ETA: We can only hope the devs can do better job with SP than they did with Sim 3 and even better than the sims’ emotions and whims AI in Sims 4....