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Maweyko
Seasoned Traveler
24 days ago

The Catfishing Situation

Screenshot of the in-game Gallery showing Households with a maximum of 1 Sim, sorted by Popular Now.

Time and time again, this issue is probably raised—catfishing in the online Gallery. Dun-dun-dun? ♪ I know this has probably… most likely— definitely been brought up by many, many players on multiple threads and topics by now, across different platforms. But seriously, it has been going on for years. And with Lovestruck, I was hoping it’d have been remedied by with the implementation of the in-game dating app (for legal reasons, these are not real people on the app, okay?), Cupid’s Corner, distributing Sims from the Gallery.

For the sake of anonymity—and they do not deserve recognition anyway, but they, and we, know who they are—I have removed any trace that may identify these creators. Except for SIMS4DENISE, she’s cool, and she makes Sims and households without CC. However, I have kept the uploads their household name and description preview: “pretty girl”, “base game”, there’s even a user who is apparently an EA Partner. I don’t think it’s good that they represent or are some sort of partner for the game to be uploading misleading Sims, exploiting and bypassing the CC-tagging system. And yes, I have individually checked all Sims above by importing them to Create-A-Sim to see if they are the same Sims we see on their thumbnails, take my free download, I guess. :-P

A catfish Sim. The CC creators’ names are removed from the description provided by the original poster of the upload.

For example, and an honest ( but slightly deceptive) one at that, this Sim has her description vaguely crediting the CC used to make her look the way she is in the thumbnails. I say “vaguely” because they’re actually just the CC creators in hashtag form, not the exact mod names.

One commented that CC was used and they are in the description if anyone’s confused. I made a reply to that which can be seen in the screenshot. (Shoutout to the people who misuse the hashtag #mccc_include by posting it in the comments.) Sure, this upload is honest about using mods, but if you notice, there is no CC-tag on the upper-left corner in the thumbnail, indicating that the uploaded Sim is modded. This allows them to appear in the regular page of the Gallery, specifically sorting the uploads to Popular Now and filtering only Households, without the need to tick the “Include Custom Content” checkbox, and effectively burying genuine vanilla/unmodded Sims—almost like SIMS4DENISE’s upload in the first image above.

Sim version of a Skyrim follower mod named Kaidan, original character by LivTempleton (inactive). CC used at the bottom of this thread.

An example of a modded and properly tagged Sim is one of mine. I worked on him for a few of days. He’s based off of a custom-voiced follower (mod) for The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. I won’t upload him on the Gallery as I only want to share vanilla Sims and builds there, without mods. See the blue shield-style icon embedded on the upper-left corner in the thumbnail, that is the CC tag placed by default if any of the Sim in the household tray is modified in some way via mod/s. Same goes for builds that have custom furniture and decorations.

Same catfish Sim imported from the Gallery to Create-A-Sim.

Now here is the modded Sim that was used as an example, imported to CAS without any of the CC. It’s quite… Barbie, but I don’t honestly know what to feel considering that’s not how she was advertised presented in the first place—there are worse cases. Like the next one below the image on the right. (っ- ‸ - ς)

Just a quick a mention to this somewhat vague and blurry reference to how we think they do this “trick”, on Reddit.
P.S. It is not my post. Even I can’t quite understand how it works.

Another catfish Sim with a plethora of hashtags written in the description. Users with their named censored misusing the #mccc_include hashtag.

This second example, it doesn’t even mention any of the CCs they used to “yassify” the Sim they made. Just a bunch of inappropriate hashtags forming a wall of text in the description. Some of them even mention packs that weren’t even used to create the teen Sim (yes, teen); among the hashtags are keywords like “sexy”, “hot”, “hot guy”… “girl”? And the use of their vague (I’m sorry, I love that word) tag, “defaults used”.

If anyone says we could’ve just reported them, there’s not even a “proper” reason to report any of these uploads, only “Harassment or threats” or “Inappropriate Content”. The latter reason could be used, but there’s not enough grounds for the moderators to take down the reported upload, even with a written explanation as to why we’re reporting them in the first place. I honestly don’t know if the Gallery is even monitored at this point of the game’s lifespan.
Please, a EA/Maxis dev or mod can correct me if I’m wrong on this.

This thread shouldn’t just be a place to discuss this epidemic in the Gallery, it should also be where we should suggest how to eliminate this problem and put them back behind the modded page of the Gallery. One that I sometimes do is use the hashtag #WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get), which is used by Simmers who create vanilla (+ packs) Sims, strictly no CC included, unless some of the CC-users tries to slime their way into the hashtag. But that’s almost not possible as it’s sort of widely agreed that the hashtag is meant for no-CC uploads. Then again, what if we want to use other hashtags to find what we’re looking for other than #WYSIWYG but still unmodded? The Gallery’s search bar can only allow one hashtag to be used.

If you wish to know the CCs I used for my properly tagged Sim, they are:

And, if you’re curious as to what he looks like without the skin and eyes overrides, and the custom face tattoo, here he is! (ノ^ヮ^)ノ*:・゚✧

Front angle of Sim version Kaidan without skin and eyes replacer mods, and no face tattoo.Three-quarter view of Sim version Kaidan without skin and eyes replacer mods, and no face tattoo.

 

 

 

 

 

 


And to those who create the misleading Sims with CCs and bombard them on the Gallery, at least make them look presentable still when without the mods, the beautifiers, the yassifiers. And an ounce of shame, I guess? There are even Simmers I used to follow who formerly uploaded vanilla Sims—albeit copy-pasted with different outfits—with only custom poses that are now using CCs and obfuscating their existence to make their Sims look better (subjective).

Lastly, I would like to thank you, the reader, for taking your time reading this piece. I hope my… personality(?) shines in my writing style, and that it didn’t—doesn’t—bore you. Alright, that’s really it from me. Ciao Bella Goth!

16 Replies

  • Prov31Simmer's avatar
    Prov31Simmer
    Seasoned Ace
    21 days ago

    The only time I use the gallery is to search for something very specific. It is predictable that just lazily opening and looking at the gallery by a glance that these type of things may be the most popular. Certain default replacement content does not seem to show as CC. The reason I know that is because I have used many default replacement content items. The game coding basically thinks the items are part of the game. 

  • Maweyko's avatar
    Maweyko
    Seasoned Traveler
    21 days ago

    That’s not… how default replacements work. Once a replacer has its swatches with the wrench icon on top (i.e.: eye color, skin color), even if they are defaults, the Sim will be marked as modded. I even use replacers now to merely improve eye color but not completely change it (or add more). I also use a body mod, and default skinblend. Upon saving it, the blue wrench icon that indicate a household is modded still shows up. If not then, when the household is uploaded/published. And I don’t know what you want to say when you said, “It’s predictable that just lazily opening and looking at the Gallery by glance…” That is the problem, it shouldn’t be. It’s not supposed to be, it’s not intended that modded-looking Sims appear in the non-modded section of the Gallery. That’s why we have the “Include Custom Content” checkbox for. The regular is meant for no-CC vanilla Sims, but they’re being buried by catfish Sims. And even if you have to look for a specific thing, the search bar is still limited. Catfish Sims occupy a lot of hashtags even the normal ones despite claiming they’re “base game” which is already misleading when they have a pack requirement and wall of hashtags in the description mentioning pack names. So if we were to look for this “specific thing,” what is it? #Pretty#Cute? Handsome? #Asian? #Male? #Female? They also have that covered and you’ll still see them there. If it’s someone or something really specific, then of course, that’s granted, but that’s not a solution nor relevant.

  • Prov31Simmer's avatar
    Prov31Simmer
    Seasoned Ace
    21 days ago

    I don't search by hashtags. That is sure to bring up what you are complaining about. I search by things like the in-game career or family type. I even search by certain in-game skills.  What you are describing doesn't happen if you search also set it to 2+ sims. Btw, I do know that some default replacements do not show up as CC, only because I have used types that don't give the cc wrench when I uploaded on the gallery.

  • diemilchschnitte's avatar
    diemilchschnitte
    Rising Adventurer
    21 days ago

    Yes to all your points. The poses I can ignore too. They don't have any impact on the sim info at all and if you're missing the pose, the game falls back to a vanilla pose, so no impact on actual gameplay. No problem with that of course :) 

    That there are people out there defending this misbehaviour is above my head. I had those discussions too in the past and it is annoying as those people still don't understand WHY this issue NEEDS to be solved and that is exactly NOT how the Gallery is supposed to work. They could ask console players for their opinion, but those players seem to never consider other's situations. So what do I expect... I hope EA will find a way for flagging those sims correctly as modified. But I too know that there are some ways to make default replacements which are not recognized as modification by the game at all, example here: https://www.curseforge.com/sims4/mods/angled-out-roof-trim-fix-base-game

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  • diemilchschnitte's avatar
    diemilchschnitte
    Rising Adventurer
    21 days ago

    True. I do too and if I do, I don't see those sims. But that is still not how the Gallery is supposed to work and how it worked fine for so many years until those creators started to bypass EA's system. One should not need to use a tag or object search for purely vanilla sims if you already disabled the "include custom content" option.

  • they need to implement ai feature that can detect catfishing they all look same anyway, also you can check #wysiwyg #nodefaults hashtags

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