Archaeology makes it too easy to make money

"Cheekybits;c-16355294" wrote:

"Grynn;c-16354856" wrote:

"CyrusTheLoser;c-16353367" wrote:

"Grynn;c-16353026" wrote:
Come on guys, OP is describing a valid complaint that will probably be fixed soon, some of you guys are so adamant on defending the game, it's ok, but please avoid saying things like "It's not that bad", it's a problem, it doesn't makes the game unplayable, OP is just letting the devs know so they can fix it.

What are you talking about? The OP literally asked us "What do you think?", and people are telling them what they think. Naturally, some agree, and some disagree. It has nothing to do with "defending the game" or putting down his thoughts. But obviously, if someone doesn't see it as bad, doesn't see it as a problem, and doesn't think it's something that needs to be fixed, they're going to say it.

In my opinion, it's too easy to make money in the game in general. But considering there are plenty of other ways to make way more money than archaeology in way less time, I'm not seeing it as an issue that needs to be "fixed" by itself.

OP asked who agreed or not about it being too easy, I'm not talking about people who disagree about it being too easy, I'm talking about people who are like "Yeah, it's problematic but it doesn't make the game unplayable so who cares" or even "Yes this is problematic but there's X other stuff that is even more problematic so let's ignore this", if you get what I'm saying then good if not then I'll not bother answering this further, just saying, it's not good feedback.

Anyway, there's other skills that, once maxed out, do give a lot of money, however none of them are this instantaneous, I challenge you to, from scratch, gain $20k in just 5 days with Writing without using cheats.

I can easily make 20k a day painting and with the club system. Just carious have you played the new GP? If you have you should tell us your experience. I’m not trying to be rude I’m just really carious what your doing different to find the high $$$ relics. All I ever find is fakes an poor quality items 1 or 2 rares and I spend like so much just going on vacation and cureing curses and such. Not to say I don’t make $ but it’s a take home of like half.

I created a single Sim and then fresh from CAS I sent him to Selvadorada, he had about 4k when he went and then, after a 3-day travel, he came back with 26k in his account and Level 7 Archaelogy, I did spend a lot on equipment, but then I found two of those 10k frogs which was a major contributing factor.

Mind you, this is not minmaxing gameplay, I didn't use cheaty aspects of the game, I simply played the expansion's content normally, lost my Machete once and had to go back to get another, went back to my house to take care of necessities, chatted with locals and learned their culture...

It's one thing if you minmax your way through skills like Painting and Writing using cheaty things like Club rewards and Enviromental items and make your Sim spend their entire day doing that skill, it's another if you just play the content normally and end up like this.

"Marktn;c-16355534" wrote:
I didn’t see anybody mention that when you get up to level 8-10 or so the Archeological Socitey will mail you item to authenticate and mail back. They are all worth 3K to 5K per day. My sim is getting rich sitting at home and working like 20-30 sims minutes a day and he hasn’t been to the jungle one time. He learned it by reading the books. But, painting is kind of the same money maker when you’re at a high level. Or, just try a garden of Dragonfruit or Blackberries. You’ll be rolling in the dough in no time. Making money is fairly easy in the game.

Oh, good to know that after going to Selvadorada once I have no reason to ever come back.

"Grynn;c-16355591" wrote:

"Cheekybits;c-16355294" wrote:

"Grynn;c-16354856" wrote:

"CyrusTheLoser;c-16353367" wrote:

"Grynn;c-16353026" wrote:
Come on guys, OP is describing a valid complaint that will probably be fixed soon, some of you guys are so adamant on defending the game, it's ok, but please avoid saying things like "It's not that bad", it's a problem, it doesn't makes the game unplayable, OP is just letting the devs know so they can fix it.

What are you talking about? The OP literally asked us "What do you think?", and people are telling them what they think. Naturally, some agree, and some disagree. It has nothing to do with "defending the game" or putting down his thoughts. But obviously, if someone doesn't see it as bad, doesn't see it as a problem, and doesn't think it's something that needs to be fixed, they're going to say it.

In my opinion, it's too easy to make money in the game in general. But considering there are plenty of other ways to make way more money than archaeology in way less time, I'm not seeing it as an issue that needs to be "fixed" by itself.

OP asked who agreed or not about it being too easy, I'm not talking about people who disagree about it being too easy, I'm talking about people who are like "Yeah, it's problematic but it doesn't make the game unplayable so who cares" or even "Yes this is problematic but there's X other stuff that is even more problematic so let's ignore this", if you get what I'm saying then good if not then I'll not bother answering this further, just saying, it's not good feedback.

Anyway, there's other skills that, once maxed out, do give a lot of money, however none of them are this instantaneous, I challenge you to, from scratch, gain $20k in just 5 days with Writing without using cheats.

I can easily make 20k a day painting and with the club system. Just carious have you played the new GP? If you have you should tell us your experience. I’m not trying to be rude I’m just really carious what your doing different to find the high $$$ relics. All I ever find is fakes an poor quality items 1 or 2 rares and I spend like so much just going on vacation and cureing curses and such. Not to say I don’t make $ but it’s a take home of like half.

I created a single Sim and then fresh from CAS I sent him to Selvadorada, he had about 4k when he went and then, after a 3-day travel, he came back with 26k in his account and Level 7 Archaelogy, I did spend a lot on equipment, but then I found two of those 10k frogs which was a major contributing factor.

Mind you, this is not minmaxing gameplay, I didn't use cheaty aspects of the game, I simply played the expansion's content normally, lost my Machete once and had to go back to get another, went back to my house to take care of necessities, chatted with locals and learned their culture...

It's one thing if you minmax your way through skills like Painting and Writing using cheaty things like Club rewards and Enviromental items and make your Sim spend their entire day doing that skill, it's another if you just play the content normally and end up like this.

"Marktn;c-16355534" wrote:
I didn’t see anybody mention that when you get up to level 8-10 or so the Archeological Socitey will mail you item to authenticate and mail back. They are all worth 3K to 5K per day. My sim is getting rich sitting at home and working like 20-30 sims minutes a day and he hasn’t been to the jungle one time. He learned it by reading the books. But, painting is kind of the same money maker when you’re at a high level. Or, just try a garden of Dragonfruit or Blackberries. You’ll be rolling in the dough in no time. Making money is fairly easy in the game.

Oh, good to know that after going to Selvadorada once I have no reason to ever come back.

Not what I intended, but that’s one way to look at it, I guess. I like the world and will take several of my sims there. I also love the content. My point was that it allows you to make a lot of money without tons of effort and time and without risking your sim’s life. I was skilling my sim up to take him there and is how I discovered it was possible.

"Marktn;c-16355534" wrote:
I didn’t see anybody mention that when you get up to level 8-10 or so the Archeological Socitey will mail you item to authenticate and mail back. They are all worth 3K to 5K per day. My sim is getting rich sitting at home and working like 20-30 sims minutes a day and he hasn’t been to the jungle one time. He learned it by reading the books. But, painting is kind of the same money maker when you’re at a high level. Or, just try a garden of Dragonfruit or Blackberries. You’ll be rolling in the dough in no time. Making money is fairly easy in the game.

But when you're an expert in the skill, then you should be earning high $$. It isn't like something you're being forced to do in order to live.

"Evoke;c-16355622" wrote:

"Marktn;c-16355534" wrote:
I didn’t see anybody mention that when you get up to level 8-10 or so the Archeological Socitey will mail you item to authenticate and mail back. They are all worth 3K to 5K per day. My sim is getting rich sitting at home and working like 20-30 sims minutes a day and he hasn’t been to the jungle one time. He learned it by reading the books. But, painting is kind of the same money maker when you’re at a high level. Or, just try a garden of Dragonfruit or Blackberries. You’ll be rolling in the dough in no time. Making money is fairly easy in the game.

But when you're an expert in the skill, then you should be earning high $$. It isn't like something you're being forced to do in order to live.

Agreed, my sim’s story is that he is a leading archeologist that freelances with the archeology socitey and will go on excavation trips to build up a museums collection of Omiscan artifacts. In this one Archeology is his job, so I’m happy he can make money this way. I view his reading books as course work and love that he can write a book about his work as “continued studies”.

@Cheekybits no prob, haven't been cursed or blessed by frogs yet guess we'll see my sim just cursed his wife on accident so I have to see about getting the curse removed. However one wants to play it it's either a lot a money or it isn't but I like the plate so I think I'll just keep it as a really fancy decor item.

"Grynn;c-16355591" wrote:

"Cheekybits;c-16355294" wrote:

"Grynn;c-16354856" wrote:

"CyrusTheLoser;c-16353367" wrote:

"Grynn;c-16353026" wrote:
Come on guys, OP is describing a valid complaint that will probably be fixed soon, some of you guys are so adamant on defending the game, it's ok, but please avoid saying things like "It's not that bad", it's a problem, it doesn't makes the game unplayable, OP is just letting the devs know so they can fix it.

What are you talking about? The OP literally asked us "What do you think?", and people are telling them what they think. Naturally, some agree, and some disagree. It has nothing to do with "defending the game" or putting down his thoughts. But obviously, if someone doesn't see it as bad, doesn't see it as a problem, and doesn't think it's something that needs to be fixed, they're going to say it.

In my opinion, it's too easy to make money in the game in general. But considering there are plenty of other ways to make way more money than archaeology in way less time, I'm not seeing it as an issue that needs to be "fixed" by itself.

OP asked who agreed or not about it being too easy, I'm not talking about people who disagree about it being too easy, I'm talking about people who are like "Yeah, it's problematic but it doesn't make the game unplayable so who cares" or even "Yes this is problematic but there's X other stuff that is even more problematic so let's ignore this", if you get what I'm saying then good if not then I'll not bother answering this further, just saying, it's not good feedback.

Anyway, there's other skills that, once maxed out, do give a lot of money, however none of them are this instantaneous, I challenge you to, from scratch, gain $20k in just 5 days with Writing without using cheats.

I can easily make 20k a day painting and with the club system. Just carious have you played the new GP? If you have you should tell us your experience. I’m not trying to be rude I’m just really carious what your doing different to find the high $$$ relics. All I ever find is fakes an poor quality items 1 or 2 rares and I spend like so much just going on vacation and cureing curses and such. Not to say I don’t make $ but it’s a take home of like half.

I created a single Sim and then fresh from CAS I sent him to Selvadorada, he had about 4k when he went and then, after a 3-day travel, he came back with 26k in his account and Level 7 Archaelogy, I did spend a lot on equipment, but then I found two of those 10k frogs which was a major contributing factor.

Mind you, this is not minmaxing gameplay, I didn't use cheaty aspects of the game, I simply played the expansion's content normally, lost my Machete once and had to go back to get another, went back to my house to take care of necessities, chatted with locals and learned their culture...

It's one thing if you minmax your way through skills like Painting and Writing using cheaty things like Club rewards and Enviromental items and make your Sim spend their entire day doing that skill, it's another if you just play the content normally and end up like this.

"Marktn;c-16355534" wrote:
I didn’t see anybody mention that when you get up to level 8-10 or so the Archeological Socitey will mail you item to authenticate and mail back. They are all worth 3K to 5K per day. My sim is getting rich sitting at home and working like 20-30 sims minutes a day and he hasn’t been to the jungle one time. He learned it by reading the books. But, painting is kind of the same money maker when you’re at a high level. Or, just try a garden of Dragonfruit or Blackberries. You’ll be rolling in the dough in no time. Making money is fairly easy in the game.

Oh, good to know that after going to Selvadorada once I have no reason to ever come back.

I agree.

My sim went for three days on her second trip. She maximised the archaeology skill, got through the jungle with only a tent and grilled cheese and was happy/flirty/focused/confident throughout despite the negative buffs. She came home with 36,000 simoleans. Doesn’t matter that many of her artifacts are fake. They are selling for over 300 simoleans. She hasn’t bothered to go through all of her loot as quite frankly she doesn’t need to.

I’m sorry but it shouldn’t be that easy. She’s now getting artifaxts sent to her every day. Now I see why they didn’t bother giving us an actual archaeological career, there is no need. Your sim will make more money pretending. Making money is so easy in general. What is the point of there even being fake treasures if they are going to sell for a decent profit. A day of selling fake artifacts will earn your sim more money than an entry level job.

And I know, I know. Cheat the money away, donate it to charity. But should the player have to resort to cheating to give the game consequence? I’m not convinced.

I haven't found this so far actually. I'm just starting my third trip to Selvadorada and my Sim is on level 7 Archaeology. Because it takes so long to excavate and authenticate the artifacts I'm struggling to see how others have earned so much so quickly. In fairness though I'm travelling solo so maybe that's why it seems to be taking longer for me than others.

"Marktn;c-16355629" wrote:

"Evoke;c-16355622" wrote:

"Marktn;c-16355534" wrote:
I didn’t see anybody mention that when you get up to level 8-10 or so the Archeological Socitey will mail you item to authenticate and mail back. They are all worth 3K to 5K per day. My sim is getting rich sitting at home and working like 20-30 sims minutes a day and he hasn’t been to the jungle one time. He learned it by reading the books. But, painting is kind of the same money maker when you’re at a high level. Or, just try a garden of Dragonfruit or Blackberries. You’ll be rolling in the dough in no time. Making money is fairly easy in the game.

But when you're an expert in the skill, then you should be earning high $$. It isn't like something you're being forced to do in order to live.

Agreed, my sim’s story is that he is a leading archeologist that freelances with the archeology socitey and will go on excavation trips to build up a museums collection of Omiscan artifacts. In this one Archeology is his job, so I’m happy he can make money this way. I view his reading books as course work and love that he can write a book about his work as “continued studies”.

The best-paying career in the base game pays 15k per week. An explorer can make that in a single day. This is absolutely obscene amounts of money in terms of balance. A Sim using archaeology can make the amount of money that the best-paying career in the game can make in an entire week with just one temple visit. There even seems to be a mailing system where your sim is mailed relics back home and they make money that way. The one I saw received 5k for one analyzed relic and had another one waiting the next day.

There is a difference between being self-sufficient and being broken in terms of balancing game elements. I had worries money would be the main reward of the pack since money is a lazy, easy-to-execute reward, and sure enough here we are. I personally think it tends to be harder to keep Sims poor than it is to become rich, so packs like this bother me. Packs like this welcome elements of "power creep" where each new pack can't think of a new way to be special, so they just opt to do what the last pack did, except even better. This pack seemed to fall flat on rewards, and here we are with Sims earning more than they've ever earned before. What happens with the next pack...?

I meannnnnnn likeee...
In reality, if you sold a priceless artifact youd get a plumload of money...
I know this is a game, and personally i pick and choose what id want to be realistic or not in this game (I want sims to sleep at night=realistic. I also like males impregnated by aliens=unrealistic). But i think that's what they were going for here.

Sure, if you sold a priceless artifact in the real world, you'd get a ton of money. But how likely is it for you to get two priceless artifacts from one tour? And I often get more than that just excavating. And that's not including the more mundane things I get dozens of per trip that sell between $400 - $900.

I personally don't mind it but I get the objection. I donate a lot of things for the buff, but my Sims are so crazy rich after a few weeks that there's no point in doing anything but playing and then going on an overnight to the jungle every once in awhile just because.