Are many sims youtubers overlook the fact the sims 4 is lacking?

"Sallycutecat;c-18052636" wrote:
"Sims 4 is lacking" is not a fact, it's an opinion. A YouTuber who doesn't share that opinion is not overlooking anything.

Truth to be told, ''Sims 4 is lacking'', is a fact. Sims 4 lacks so much from the Sims 3. For example, no open world, no color wheel, babies tied to the crib, and at launch no pools and ghosts.
There is more, but I think you know my point, and besides, it would be to tedious to list everything that is missing in the Sims 4.

Different people place different value in different aspects of the games. I've been simming since the original game came out, what...21 years ago now? And I prefer TS4 to all of it's predecessors. That's not to say I think it's perfect, and there are plenty of things which I think both 2 and 3 did better. But for my own personal preferences of what I want out of the games, 4 is my favorite.

I still do play TS2 and TS3 as well, though, because like I said, there are plenty of things that both of them do better.

It's extremely narrow-minded to take the view that your opinion is "a fact" when ... well, it's not.

"Stormkeep;c-18054294" wrote:
Different people place different value in different aspects of the games. I've been simming since the original game came out, what...21 years ago now? And I prefer TS4 to all of it's predecessors. That's not to say I think it's perfect, and there are plenty of things which I think both 2 and 3 did better. But for my own personal preferences of what I want out of the games, 4 is my favorite.

I still do play TS2 and TS3 as well, though, because like I said, there are plenty of things that both of them do better.

It's extremely narrow-minded to take the view that your opinion is "a fact" when ... well, it's not.

I think people mean it's lacking compared to what was actually in the base games of others. Those are facts when every thing is compared. We've had to wait for years for things like a smarter AI in TS4 compared to TS2 or even TS3. They are just now (going on 8 years) getting around to things they added in game updates to spruce up the Sim personality....which still can't compare to TS2 and TS3 Sims. So much that isn't in TS4 that were every day work for TS2 that it's hard to say it's not facts. When we compare EPs to EPs...even if not even in the same realm we still come up short in so many ways.

"Cinebar;c-18054443" wrote:


I think people mean it's lacking compared to what was actually in the base games of others. Those are facts when every thing is compared.

No, it's really not a fact. It all depends on how one measures and quantifies things to make the determination that it is "lacking". That's a value judgement, making it an opinion.

You are making the same mistake as others here in concluding that your way of measuring is the "one true way". Which I assume means you have some kind of check list in your head and each thing that gets checked off counts as a point with equal weighting to each thing on that check list.
Someone else's view on it may be quite different, with completely different things on that checklist and with values for each that covers a spectrum dependent on not just whether something is "in the game" but also precisely how it has been done and/or which feature it is.

Opinion, not fact, plain and simple.

"Cinebar;c-18054443" wrote:

"Stormkeep;c-18054294" wrote:
Different people place different value in different aspects of the games. I've been simming since the original game came out, what...21 years ago now? And I prefer TS4 to all of it's predecessors. That's not to say I think it's perfect, and there are plenty of things which I think both 2 and 3 did better. But for my own personal preferences of what I want out of the games, 4 is my favorite.

I still do play TS2 and TS3 as well, though, because like I said, there are plenty of things that both of them do better.

It's extremely narrow-minded to take the view that your opinion is "a fact" when ... well, it's not.

I think people mean it's lacking compared to what was actually in the base games of others. Those are facts when every thing is compared. We've had to wait for years for things like a smarter AI in TS4 compared to TS2 or even TS3. They are just now (going on 8 years) getting around to things they added in game updates to spruce up the Sim personality....which still can't compare to TS2 and TS3 Sims. So much that isn't in TS4 that were every day work for TS2 that it's hard to say it's not facts. When we compare EPs to EPs...even if not even in the same realm we still come up short in so many ways.

I would argue that sims 4 sims are not smarter even with all the improvements. Like my sim who supposedly dislikes video games gets the whim to play video games every single time she vacuums. I mean that’s weird enough in itself I think, I can’t be the only one who after vacuuming doesn’t feel focused and want to do tech activities? But the fact she doesn’t like it but wants to do it? Make it make sense! Why do kids in the sims 4 want to do laundry? All the time? The so called smarter sims of sims 4 still can’t just wash a dish in the kitchen, it’s a traipse to the bathroom. If a sim grabs a quick meal from the fridge they don’t route automatically to the nearest chair or table, oh no if there’s someone else in the house they will route all the way to where that person is even if that person is say a sleeping toddler.

I totally agree that when you break down EPs vs EPs the sims 2 and 3 always have more than the sims 4. And a large part of that is because so many of the components that make up a sims 2 expansion pack was broken off and sold for separate dlc in the sims 4.

I also completely agree that the game changers purpose is advertising for the game. I know a few who briefly talk about the issues the game has but you can bet your bottom dollar when there’s a new dlc to be had and a chance for a freebie amend to make content early thus giving them bank? They will love it.*

* Several months down the line they will trash the same dlc and or say the previous version of it was better.

"Dianesims;c-18036124" wrote:
Lilsimsie criticizes the game too, just not all the time. She basically makes a living out of TS4, so she's not gonna spit in the soup (it's an expression in France).

She absolutely does in her videos and in her livestreams but that would require people to actually watch it. Not sure what people have said about her on here, but they always attack her on Reddit and it's really pathetic. She's always the scapegoat. They praise Plumbella but at the end of the day she is giving exposure to the franchise the same way LilSimsie does, whether it's good or bad. All those YTubers make money off TS4 and get packs free, full stop. If people want to call one out then they need to call them all out.

"Jinkx;d-996668" wrote:
For example: lilsimsie plays the sims since the sims 3. But would she be more critical if she played the sims 1 & 2 a lot more?

I play the sims since 2000 and thats why i can see the sims 4 is lacking. The expansions they put out are not on the same level as the sims 1 and sims 2?

I fully believe she would be more critical if she was familiar with the Sims 1 and 2. Unfortunately, lilsimsie does not seem that interested in exploring the franchise's roots, at least not publicly. She's done a handful of videos on the Sims 2 but focused on CAS and build mode. Obviously, the game is never going to compete in that regard, so it appears she lost interest.

"eternalrainn;c-18054828" wrote:

"Dianesims;c-18036124" wrote:
Lilsimsie criticizes the game too, just not all the time. She basically makes a living out of TS4, so she's not gonna spit in the soup (it's an expression in France).

She absolutely does in her videos and in her livestreams but that would require people to actually watch it. Not sure what people have said about her on here, but they always attack her on Reddit and it's really pathetic. She's always the scapegoat. They praise Plumbella but at the end of the day she is giving exposure to the franchise the same way LilSimsie does, whether it's good or bad. All those YTubers make money off TS4 and get packs free, full stop. If people want to call one out then they need to call them all out.

Yes she occasionally criticizes but her whole vibe and brand is being very excitable and positive, especially regarding building in the Sims. I think audiences have different tastes and tolerances for how they want creators to act. Some find brutal honesty and critique to be cathartic, others find positivity to be refreshing.

"Stormkeep;c-18054496" wrote:

"Cinebar;c-18054443" wrote:


I think people mean it's lacking compared to what was actually in the base games of others. Those are facts when every thing is compared.

No, it's really not a fact. It all depends on how one measures and quantifies things to make the determination that it is "lacking". That's a value judgement, making it an opinion.

You are making the same mistake as others here in concluding that your way of measuring is the "one true way". Which I assume means you have some kind of check list in your head and each thing that gets checked off counts as a point with equal weighting to each thing on that check list.
Someone else's view on it may be quite different, with completely different things on that checklist and with values for each that covers a spectrum dependent on not just whether something is "in the game" but also precisely how it has been done and/or which feature it is.

Opinion, not fact, plain and simple.

No to be fair just look at the 'facts'. Baby jumps from baby to child out of a baby crib...2 and 3 didn't do that. TS1 did...it's a fact they went backwards and therefore made TS4 'lacking' in the area of how a baby would grow. (before the toddlers backlash)

Facts: All the games had pools, even TS1, they had to patch those in for TS4. That made TS4 'lacking'.

Look at DLC...bowling..TS2, TS3 had bowling but more than two Sims can play, and they talked, sat down, and multitasks while doing it and most importantly built relationships while playing together...fact TS4 didn't..had to be patched years later..therefore making TS4 'lacking' in areas of what other games offered.

Dance together (all others had this) not TS4...lacking the animations and relationship building attributes to dance facing each other and 'together' without all the Sims in a room....that made TS4 'lacking'.

I have nine hundred and ninety nine more examples. :p

Don't get me started on buildmode and or roof structures lacking in TS4. (cough, we were promised we would also be able to paint the underside of the eaves...a big promise never fulfilled day one).

Cars...TS1 has public transportation, taxi, buses to community lots etc. TS2, TS3 has drivable ownable cars..TS4 walks from the mountains to the desert..immersion breaking..therefore lacking. Some might say that's just preference but if it's a life simulator how many people do you know that can do that? Not many.

Lacking a smart AI..if my Sims need to eat and there is a perfect table there in the kitchen or a formal one in a dining room or even a patio table (loves outdoors) where does it go? Upstairs to the bedroom because someone is sleeping in there and they need to go eat and crunch food and watch them sleep...lol..immersion breaking when a Sim can't route to a perfectly good table. Or stands up at the dining table with guests and or family, and needs to hug somebody..anybody, any old Sim will do...poorly implemented AI. Lacking! If the guest was upset, ok, hug them, but Sims want to eat leave them alone silly, needy Sim. lol That's shows how many times people have to 'cancel out' a Sim's AI in this game..all day long if it breaks immersion for some of us who care about immersion. Cancel, cancel, cancel has become this game and too much clicking to make the Sim do what we told it to do.

How many years did I beg for two story columns and or three story columns..years..when all others had them by now. lacking in buildmode simple objects finally ability to 'stretch' them I guess in a patch years later.

Kissing animation..lips, still after almost eight years don't touch lips..even TS1 got that animation right way back when we rode dinosaurs. Maxis must think it doesn't matter no one is watching they will just jump to the next EP, GP, kit and never notice....wrong Maxis, we know what you do well and don't do well.

Trotting out your personal checklist to tally up your personal score board for the game just makes the point I already made, @Cinebar.

It doesn't matter if you could put 999 more things down, it would still be those specific things which you consider as having value for the games being measured. Someone else might not care about a single one of those things, and therefore they would not be part of that person's valuation in deciding if the game was 'lacking' or not.

It's okay to have opinions, you don't need to try to "prove" they are facts.