Brave move with the new Muslim content. (In a good way)

"mcrudd;c-17236071" wrote:
Your thread might get closed soon, mine I had was positive, but got closed with no explanation, just locked, atleast some of them have explanations before closing. No idea why mine got closed it was constantly positive. Well thats what happens when the unknown is discussed amongst different opinions I guess. I personally had so objection against the add of the hijab as well, as I discussed in my thread here https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/965551/my-personal-opinion-about-the-hijab-debate-going-on/p1

I didn't see your thread until it was closed, so I'll say it here: Bravo!

@MadameLee

Headscarves could be seen as cultural when worn as an accessory, useful to protect from the sand, the wind, and the sun. But hijabs are a very peculiar (and I would argue, recognizable) kind or headscarf, worn for other reasons (you know, those that-must-not-be-named except in threads about muslim outfits in which we can discuss modesty all we want). Those are only part of one interpretation of Islam (the one that starts with a R and ends with a L) that as you said not all muslims agree with.
In any case EA added burkinis as well, which are very far from being cultural and don't even exist in most arabian and middle-eastern cultures, and you would have a hard time arguing they are just cultural and it is people who twisted their otherwise empty meaning. There is a reason EA doesn't want us to talk about it on its very forums, and it is because it is religious and political.

we are even calling the headscarf the wrong term anyone by calling it a hijab. hijab means "curtain" or "to divide" or even "to cover" .. its never a headscarf that's a different Arabic word.

But outside of that issue.. could we just be glad that EA is trying to be more cultural diverse in a game like the Sims?

I'm going to be using a CC hijab later in my Swanson story twice for non-Muslims purposes and the 2nd time I might throw in some of the EA's hijab stuff

"MadameLee;c-17236749" wrote:
we are even calling the headscarf the wrong term anyone by calling it a hijab. hijab means "curtain" or "to divide" or even "to cover" .. its never a headscarf that's a different Arabic word.

But outside of that issue.. could we just be glad that EA is trying to be more cultural diverse in a game like the Sims?

I'm going to be using a CC hijab later in my Swanson story twice for non-Muslims purposes and the 2nd time I might throw in some of the EA's hijab stuff

Yet on the EA presentation it was called a hijab and not a headscarf. So calling it a headscarf is wrong as that is not what EA released it as..

I am happy about the patch. Inclusion is one of the things that I have been striving for with the Sims. I have a friend who had to flee his country as a baby and was interesting hearing his story about that. My ancestry came from immigration too, so I am open minded with regards to people from other cultures and countries. I went to school with many Muslim in college and university. There are Russians in my area that wear head coverings too so it isn't out of the norm where I live in America. I am thrilled that more Simmers can be represented in the game. As far as fashion, treating women like pieces of meat wearing next to nothing is far more degrading to me being a feminist and strong woman in my business industry. Far too often women get hired because of wearing short skirts. Don't even get me started how women are treated on Twitch based on fashion too. So yes considering I actually do have a little more insight to culture I am fine with this update and I hope the beautiful things that women wear in Africa with some of their head coverings are represented too. Also it is extremely hot so if you saw any of the behind the scenes in the making of Aladdin, you would have a bit more insight about head coverings from a Disney movie that kids watch. The sand storms alone wouldn't feel good on bare skin.

"Scobre;c-17237038" wrote:
If it was accurate the hijab would be covering the face as well. Because it is not shows it is representing women not forced by a man to show her beauty.

As we are told, a woman is modest by covering her beauty and ornaments, which include her hair and breasts, which this article of clothing is used to cover.

Besides being against or not with the hijab thing, people need to understand that yes it is indeed a religious symbol, and also a cultural symbol, but that's because Islam is a religion that is forced in Islam countries, people have no choice to not be a muslim in an Islam country, I myself live in a country where the percentage of muslim people is less than 0.01%, but that doesn't mean I know nothing about this religion, for years I have studied the muslim religion, and yes indeed it was forced on women, nowadays women don't care because it's now part of their culture, I would like to think that nowadays hijabs are not forced upon muslim women, instead I hope that anyone that wears it, is because they want to.

5 myths about the hijab written by the Washington Post. I love that men can wear them too.https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths/five-myths-about-hijab/2019/03/15/d1f1ea52-45f6-11e9-8aab-95b8d80a1e4f_story.html?noredirect=on

"alejandro15039;c-17237208" wrote:
Besides being against or not with the hijab thing, people need to understand that yes it is indeed a religious symbol, and also a cultural symbol, but that's because Islam is a religion that is forced in Islam countries, people have no choice to not be a muslim in an Islam country, I myself live in a country where the percentage of muslim people is less than 0.01%, but that doesn't mean I know nothing about this religion, for years I have studied the muslim religion, and yes indeed it was forced on women, nowadays women don't care because it's now part of their culture, I would like to think that nowadays hijabs are not forced upon muslim women, instead I hope that anyone that wears it, is because they want to.

Thank you for bringing information about it. I mean when it comes to the Sims we are forcing them what to wear. Our Sims don't have the free will to choose what they wear. They are part of a computer program. But yes I do think that Simmers can choose what they wear and represent where they live. I have met a lot of Russian mennonite women that wear head coverings and they are covered head to toe in clothing, but shoes are the only thing that they can express themselves with. I really have enjoyed having more head covering options for our Sims. Would be nice to get some from India and other countries.

"alejandro15039;c-17237333" wrote:

"Scobre;c-17237268" wrote:
5 myths about the hijab written by the Washington Post. I love that men can wear them too.https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths/five-myths-about-hijab/2019/03/15/d1f1ea52-45f6-11e9-8aab-95b8d80a1e4f_story.html?noredirect=on

This is a clear example of people that know nothing about islam religion, yes, maybe a muslim living in America is totally free to remove their hijab, but for Islam countries it's still a mandatory that women wear hijabs.

Edit: Remember that not everything revolves in America.
Edit 2: I'm talking about the article not your comment Scobre :smile:

Okay, I've been avoiding these threads for my own sanity, but I'm a Muslim woman with dual nationality of a Middle Eastern country, and "it's mandatory that women wear hijab" is simply not true for the majority of Muslim countries. I am not trying to get at you, but this is a huge over-simplification of a range of political and social factors which vary from country to country (and often by region within those countries), which I am not going to get into here because it's the Sims forum.

The article you are commenting on was written by two Muslim women, one of whom is a professor of Islamic law. They are not clear examples of people who know nothing about this topic.