Bug fixes vs new content?

@rjssim apologies.

In that kinda ideal world, I would hope that it wouldn't take an entire year to fix existing bugs, what with all the developers working on them ;)

There's always going to be bugs. Every game I play has bugs and every forum in every game I play discusses this same situation. Let's say they did take a year off to fix the bugs. They come out with new content and who's to say that those bugs plus new ones aren't going to just pop right back up? They should at least try right? They can do both. Work on bugs and release new stuff. There's always going to be bugs. Maybe I don't have as many bugs as others have or maybe the mods I use fix them, or I don't play as much as others idk. The only bug to me that's annoying that I don't believe they know how to fix is the restaurant taking a whole day to visit and the sims not sitting down to eat.

New content > bug fixing. I see a lot more complaining in these forums about the game needing more content than I do about bug fixes.

I rather they fix majority of the bugs as the more packs you pile on, the more bugs you have to fix and more code one has to comb through as it in just the base game no more and possibly the bugs might acculmulate to an point where the game becomes unplayable. Only way one can do both if they fix majority of the bugs and for me it is essential to squash any bug or at least the major ones before injecting new data.

"Felicity;c-17263580" wrote:
Look at the state Maxis left Sims 3 in. Now ask yourself why you think they'd do any better for Sims 4? The only reason I can think that they may do better is because consoles can't use mods. Two-to-one there will be a Sims 4 mod workshop (or whatever it's called) on for xbox soon.

Maxis, since Sims 2, has required mods to fix their games. Sims 3 is far worse than Sims 2, and the couple of patches that have been released since Sims 4 has been released have mainly been to connect Sims 3 to Origin (fortunately, those updates is avoidable provided you didn't buy your content directly from Origin). Think about it -- they released patches after Sims 3 was no longer in production to try to force people to use their storefront, but they had no interest in all in attempting to fix some of the bugs.

It doesn't matter whether I want new content or bug fixes -- bug fixes will be incomplete, and more and more packs will be built on a buggy foundation leading to more instability.

I agree with this post as there is more than one program intertwined within one main program.

I could wait a year without new content if the bugs were fixed.
There's so much stuff in this game I haven't explored yet, I would be easily entertained with existing packs.

"Kimmer;c-17265207" wrote:
I could wait a year without new content if the bugs were fixed.
There's so much stuff in this game I haven't explored yet, I would be easily entertained with existing packs.

Not everyone has endless years to waste and as one who does not I also do not see a lot of bugs in the game - I own all the packs and would like to keep the new content coming. I have no times to waste to be honest.

When my excitement for a new pack is diminished by the dread of adding glitches/bugs to the game, EA has a problem because I will not be buying that new pack, or installing the update. When so many players look to the modders to fix bugs EA's team can't or won't, we the players are given just one choice: We can either be happy with the game as it is or roll the dice and purchase new content after installing the pre-pack update with the hope our games don't implode. StrangerVille is the only pack I bought this year that didn't have a negative impact on my game. I had zero issues with it.

For the last three years I have been waiting for Dine Out to be fixed. Others have been waiting for the Vampire pack to be fixed. While even more players want the toddler bugs to be fixed. All of these bugs are not small annoyances when they keep us from enjoying the game. And with each new bug that crops up, the idea of buying yet another pack becomes less attractive. I don't want to add more mods to my game. Especially when the gurus have hinted Sims4 has a a couple of years left in it's lifespan. What will my game look like in another year if this continues? That's my biggest issue.

If the modders are able to fix a problem by creating a small tuning mod, why isn't the team responsible for taking care of these same problems able to do the same thing? That is what confuses me. Does EA even have a team dedicated to fixing Sims4? Or do they simply attempt to fix what the modders haven"t and move on? Part of the problem here is the fact the base game has undergone some major updating and no one seems to know how those updates will impact the game going forward. Which might be why we are seeing a lot of nice stuff to make the game pretty but not much as far as new gameplay features. Or any updating to the basics such as whims, traits, romance, or features from past packs. In the June update for Island Living we saw updates made to fishing, fitness and jobs. Okay. It was time for some newness to be added to those. But those were updates made to the base game.

What I find odd about this process of updating the base game before releasing every new pack, is how little we get in the pack itself. It seems as if more effort is put into updating the base game rather than what is actually included in these new packs. It's almost as if the pack is an afterthought. Updating the base game takes precedence over new gameplay, and those updates are at the root of the increase in the amount of bugs we are seeing. Any new gameplay we see in new packs is often broken. Or needs workarounds in order to play. Or mods.

The idea we have to choose between new gameplay features or bug fixes is ludicrous. But it is a choice we have to make before we update or buy new packs. I find that disturbing.

"Paigeisin5;c-17265631" wrote:
When my excitement for a new pack is diminished by the dread of adding glitches/bugs to the game, EA has a problem because I will not be buying that new pack, or installing the update. When so many players look to the modders to fix bugs EA's team can't or won't, we the players are given just one choice: We can either be happy with the game as it is or roll the dice and purchase new content after installing the pre-pack update with the hope our games don't implode. StrangerVille is the only pack I bought this year that didn't have a negative impact on my game. I had zero issues with it.

For the last three years I have been waiting for Dine Out to be fixed. Others have been waiting for the Vampire pack to be fixed. While even more players want the toddler bugs to be fixed. All of these bugs are not small annoyances when they keep us from enjoying the game. And with each new bug that crops up, the idea of buying yet another pack becomes less attractive. I don't want to add more mods to my game. Especially when the gurus have hinted Sims4 has a a couple of years left in it's lifespan. What will my game look like in another year if this continues? That's my biggest issue.

If the modders are able to fix a problem by creating a small tuning mod, why isn't the team responsible for taking care of these same problems able to do the same thing? That is what confuses me. Does EA even have a team dedicated to fixing Sims4? Or do they simply attempt to fix what the modders haven"t and move on? Part of the problem here is the fact the base game has undergone some major updating and no one seems to know how those updates will impact the game going forward. Which might be why we are seeing a lot of nice stuff to make the game pretty but not much as far as new gameplay features. Or any updating to the basics such as whims, traits, romance, or features from past packs. In the June update for Island Living we saw updates made to fishing, fitness and jobs. Okay. It was time for some newness to be added to those. But those were updates made to the base game.

What I find odd about this process of updating the base game before releasing every new pack, is how little we get in the pack itself. It seems as if more effort is put into updating the base game rather than what is actually included in these new packs. It's almost as if the pack is an afterthought. Updating the base game takes precedence over new gameplay, and those updates are at the root of the increase in the amount of bugs we are seeing. Any new gameplay we see in new packs is often broken. Or needs workarounds in order to play. Or mods.

The idea we have to choose between new gameplay features or bug fixes is ludicrous. But it is a choice we have to make before we update or buy new packs. I find that disturbing.

DO was fixed as was the Vampires - at least for pc - check the patch notes and check the games. I know the console folks though are still waiting for weaknesses to be fixed for vamps but they are fixed in pcs. I haven't had any toddler bugs so I have no idea what that problem is for the ones having it - and did not check patch notes for toddler bugs either - although I know they fixed the high chair problems some people had a while back - have no idea other wise.

"Sigzy05;c-17263317" wrote:
They aren't taking a year off obviously. They should just hire more people to take a hard look at the code and fix the bugs and errors. Because the game is starting to get as buggy as TS3. As a matter fact there are more less working features in TS4 right now, than in TS3. TS3 is mostly routing errors, poor optimisation and minor random bugs, in TS4 there are features that straight up don't work.

Funny enough my Sims 3 game isn’t all that buggy lately. A combination I guess of the right mods, no more patching, no more new packs and knowing where the few notorious bugs are (and avoid them, like sending parents on a holiday, and.... sending parents on a holiday; are there more?).

@Writin_Reg Dine Out is not fixed in my game. If it were fixed, I would not be complaining about the fact restaurants are a mess whenever I try to play one as an owner or as a patron. And if the vampire pack is fixed, why are so many players still upset? I read all patch notes before installing. And after installing anything I play in vanilla mode for a couple of days to test the fixes. So any of the mods or CC I usually play with are not a factor in how well any EA fixes work. I am also a fan of deleting all CC that is more than a year old. My mods are mostly package files. I use only two that are script mods, those two being MCCC and the UI Cheats Extension. I understand you are able to play Sims4 with few to no problems. However, I have not been as fortunate.