This thread could be considered as an spin-off of:https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/948274/disabilities-for-sims-4-tea-leaves-are-leaning-to-yes#latestAs I no want go off-topic at such theme (than is going quite proud)As at that theme was talking about disabilities, as @SimGuruGraham started at twitter that theme, I was thinking how would work (or no) with occult life states:Vampires:Here I have 2 main lines1 - Vampires at TS3 had ability of scan a zone and select the best sims. Then at TS4 would be than vampires no drink and cant convert, disabled sims (of any state)2 - This other option by the way would be than vampires also can be disabled people. In this case, unable to buy Bat form, super-speed and mistAliens:They cant birth disabled, even no alien babies from male abductions.Also, as sixam has a quite advanced technology, after an abduction against a disabled sim, there is a chance (10% maybe) than aliens cure your disability!Future occults:Those than usually change form, if disabled, lose the shape-shifting ability, then always "stuck" at their human-like form, even for disabled mermaids when enter at water!PD: as I commented in the other thread, Im thinking here than the only disability introduced is physical... wheelchair, no mental

I don't see how having a disability would have any effect on a Sim's ability to use supernatural powers. My Deaf character I mentioned in the other thread is a vampire, and if anyone offered to "cure" her, she'd be super mad at them. She likes herself the way she is. (She was also a plant Sim at one point, but that's a whole different story.) Advanced technology doesn't automatically mean disability doesn't exist. (I recently read a science fiction anthology called Accessing the Future, which solely featured disabled protagonists and not a single "cure" story.)

Just a quick correction - It was Grant who talked about disabilities on Twitter, not Graham.Besides that I feel more and more "weird" about disabilities to be honest. All the things that have to be considered, changed and edited... I wonder how they can possibly give it justice. Personally I think they won't change much about the occult Sims. Sims with disabilities should be able to be occult Sims and I wouldn't want them excluded from powers or shape-shifting abilities.

Supernaturals are not going to have disabilities. That is silly. Vampires are undead - they can't be disabled.

"Armilus616;c-16750975" wrote:I think there should be a way to cure disabilities in the sims. Like there is a cure to vampirism in every part of the Sims franchise. IRL, there is no cure for being dead, but The Sims has Ambrosia. I can imagine a Vampire in a wheelchair could still use super speed and the wheelchair would super speed with the Vampire. A vampire in a wheelchair who turns into a bat could either leave the wheelchair behind and helplessly lay on the ground until bat traveling back to the wheelchair, or just make the wheelchair disappear and reappear where he turns back from being a bat. A Witch with learning deficiency would take longer to learn spells but would still learn them eventually. What if a flying broom can act as a substitute for a wheelchair that can also float on stairs so no elevator needed? What I imagine being difficult is a plant sim with water allergy or sunlight allergy. In Sims 2 if you paid the Grim Reaper enough money you could bring back the dead - but if you did not pay him enough you dead Sim would become a permanent Zombie.

"Writin_Reg;c-16750990" wrote:"Armilus616;c-16750984" wrote:"Writin_Reg;c-16750977" wrote:"Armilus616;c-16750975" wrote:I think there should be a way to cure disabilities in the sims. Like there is a cure to vampirism in every part of the Sims franchise. IRL, there is no cure for being dead, but The Sims has Ambrosia. I can imagine a Vampire in a wheelchair could still use super speed and the wheelchair would super speed with the Vampire. A vampire in a wheelchair who turns into a bat could either leave the wheelchair behind and helplessly lay on the ground until bat traveling back to the wheelchair, or just make the wheelchair disappear and reappear where he turns back from being a bat. A Witch with learning deficiency would take longer to learn spells but would still learn them eventually. What if a flying broom can act as a substitute for a wheelchair that can also float on stairs so no elevator needed? What I imagine being difficult is a plant sim with water allergy or sunlight allergy. In Sims 2 if you paid the Grim Reaper enough money you could bring back the dead - but if you did not pay him enough you dead Sim would become a permanent Zombie.Permanent as in could not be undone by regular gameplay?Not even by drowning the zombie and paying dear old Grim a bit more next time?Nope. Nothing would change it. We kept asking for a cure and it was not until near the end of Sims 2 if you found the Madam something or other - I forget her name - that was the proprietor in the Curiosity shop in down town you could sometimes get a potion that would make them sort of better - they would still have the zombie walk and such but they acted more alive etc - but it never brought them fully back. Technically once you got a zombie you were stuck with them forever - they never died anymore anyway.I didn't know that. I never played 2 that much."wormstache999;c-16750995" wrote:"Armilus616;c-16750975" wrote:I think there should be a way to cure disabilities in the sims. Like there is a cure to vampirism in every part of the Sims franchise. IRL, there is no cure for being dead, but The Sims has Ambrosia. I can imagine a Vampire in a wheelchair could still use super speed and the wheelchair would super speed with the Vampire. A vampire in a wheelchair who turns into a bat could either leave the wheelchair behind and helplessly lay on the ground until bat traveling back to the wheelchair, or just make the wheelchair disappear and reappear where he turns back from being a bat. A Witch with learning deficiency would take longer to learn spells but would still learn them eventually. What if a flying broom can act as a substitute for a wheelchair that can also float on stairs so no elevator needed? What I imagine being difficult is a plant sim with water allergy or sunlight allergy. Oh, I think that would make so many people angry - Imagine having Sims lying on the ground helplessly and not being able to move around because their wheelchair is somewhere else. You said they could fly back to it but just the picture of Sims lying on the ground makes me feel... really sad and uncomfortable :( In theory it would make sense but considering they won't even let pets die from anything else except old age because it's too sad I can't imagine them doing this. I do like your ideas about witches though. As I said in my reply above - I think it would be too much to change occult Sims behavior for every added disability, but who knows which disabilities and how many they're even considering...Well, then the option where the bat sort of takes the wheelchair with it would be better. I really don't think that disabilities should be exclusive to non-occults. Maybe a Werewolf would still sit in the wheelchair even after transformation? It would look so weird with that furry monster thing in a wheelchair and hunting with the others while maneuvering the chair around and making a face (snout, whatever) like "WTF is happening!?"It is something the Devs should really think about, but the storytelling potential...My Sisters Ex sits in a wheelchair, and I don't see what would stop him from becoming a vampire or Werewolf. (Food on wheels :wink: )But if that would cure his spine... What would be more interesting? If it did or if it didn't?

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xmerer
7 years ago
I don't see how having a disability would have any effect on a Sim's ability to use supernatural powers. My Deaf character I mentioned in the other thread is a vampire, and if anyone offered to "cure" her, she'd be super mad at them. She likes herself the way she is. (She was also a plant Sim at one point, but that's a whole different story.)

Advanced technology doesn't automatically mean disability doesn't exist. (I recently read a science fiction anthology called Accessing the Future, which solely featured disabled protagonists and not a single "cure" story.)
hiabara
7 years ago
Just a quick correction - It was Grant who talked about disabilities on Twitter, not Graham.

Besides that I feel more and more "weird" about disabilities to be honest. All the things that have to be considered, changed and edited... I wonder how they can possibly give it justice.
Personally I think they won't change much about the occult Sims. Sims with disabilities should be able to be occult Sims and I wouldn't want them excluded from powers or shape-shifting abilities.
Writin_Reg
7 years ago
Supernaturals are not going to have disabilities. That is silly. Vampires are undead - they can't be disabled.
Writin_Reg
7 years ago
"Armilus616;c-16750975" wrote:
I think there should be a way to cure disabilities in the sims. Like there is a cure to vampirism in every part of the Sims franchise. IRL, there is no cure for being dead, but The Sims has Ambrosia. I can imagine a Vampire in a wheelchair could still use super speed and the wheelchair would super speed with the Vampire. A vampire in a wheelchair who turns into a bat could either leave the wheelchair behind and helplessly lay on the ground until bat traveling back to the wheelchair, or just make the wheelchair disappear and reappear where he turns back from being a bat.

A Witch with learning deficiency would take longer to learn spells but would still learn them eventually. What if a flying broom can act as a substitute for a wheelchair that can also float on stairs so no elevator needed? What I imagine being difficult is a plant sim with water allergy or sunlight allergy.

In Sims 2 if you paid the Grim Reaper enough money you could bring back the dead - but if you did not pay him enough you dead Sim would become a permanent Zombie.
Armilus616
7 years ago
"Writin_Reg;c-16750990" wrote:
"Armilus616;c-16750984" wrote:
"Writin_Reg;c-16750977" wrote:
"Armilus616;c-16750975" wrote:
I think there should be a way to cure disabilities in the sims. Like there is a cure to vampirism in every part of the Sims franchise. IRL, there is no cure for being dead, but The Sims has Ambrosia. I can imagine a Vampire in a wheelchair could still use super speed and the wheelchair would super speed with the Vampire. A vampire in a wheelchair who turns into a bat could either leave the wheelchair behind and helplessly lay on the ground until bat traveling back to the wheelchair, or just make the wheelchair disappear and reappear where he turns back from being a bat.

A Witch with learning deficiency would take longer to learn spells but would still learn them eventually. What if a flying broom can act as a substitute for a wheelchair that can also float on stairs so no elevator needed? What I imagine being difficult is a plant sim with water allergy or sunlight allergy.

In Sims 2 if you paid the Grim Reaper enough money you could bring back the dead - but if you did not pay him enough you dead Sim would become a permanent Zombie.

Permanent as in could not be undone by regular gameplay?
Not even by drowning the zombie and paying dear old Grim a bit more next time?

Nope. Nothing would change it. We kept asking for a cure and it was not until near the end of Sims 2 if you found the Madam something or other - I forget her name - that was the proprietor in the Curiosity shop in down town you could sometimes get a potion that would make them sort of better - they would still have the zombie walk and such but they acted more alive etc - but it never brought them fully back. Technically once you got a zombie you were stuck with them forever - they never died anymore anyway.

I didn't know that. I never played 2 that much.

"wormstache999;c-16750995" wrote:

"Armilus616;c-16750975" wrote:
I think there should be a way to cure disabilities in the sims. Like there is a cure to vampirism in every part of the Sims franchise. IRL, there is no cure for being dead, but The Sims has Ambrosia. I can imagine a Vampire in a wheelchair could still use super speed and the wheelchair would super speed with the Vampire. A vampire in a wheelchair who turns into a bat could either leave the wheelchair behind and helplessly lay on the ground until bat traveling back to the wheelchair, or just make the wheelchair disappear and reappear where he turns back from being a bat.

A Witch with learning deficiency would take longer to learn spells but would still learn them eventually. What if a flying broom can act as a substitute for a wheelchair that can also float on stairs so no elevator needed? What I imagine being difficult is a plant sim with water allergy or sunlight allergy.

Oh, I think that would make so many people angry - Imagine having Sims lying on the ground helplessly and not being able to move around because their wheelchair is somewhere else. You said they could fly back to it but just the picture of Sims lying on the ground makes me feel... really sad and uncomfortable :( In theory it would make sense but considering they won't even let pets die from anything else except old age because it's too sad I can't imagine them doing this.
I do like your ideas about witches though. As I said in my reply above - I think it would be too much to change occult Sims behavior for every added disability, but who knows which disabilities and how many they're even considering...

Well, then the option where the bat sort of takes the wheelchair with it would be better. I really don't think that disabilities should be exclusive to non-occults. Maybe a Werewolf would still sit in the wheelchair even after transformation? It would look so weird with that furry monster thing in a wheelchair and hunting with the others while maneuvering the chair around and making a face (snout, whatever) like "WTF is happening!?"
It is something the Devs should really think about, but the storytelling potential...
My Sisters Ex sits in a wheelchair, and I don't see what would stop him from becoming a vampire or Werewolf. (Food on wheels :wink: )
But if that would cure his spine... What would be more interesting? If it did or if it didn't?
Hermitgirl
New Spectator
7 years ago
That's an interesting point.. they would have to look into all of that. I'd be in favor of seeing a werewolf "shed" the wheelchair when they transform.... but I can see how it could get tricky.
I would like the ability to change a sim from wheelchair bound to not also. So we can tell stories of recovery from an accident or something that temporarily can disable someone. There could be an uproar about that though (always is). Either way options are great for story telling.
hiabara
7 years ago
"Armilus616;c-16751011" wrote:
"Writin_Reg;c-16750990" wrote:
"Armilus616;c-16750984" wrote:
"Writin_Reg;c-16750977" wrote:
"Armilus616;c-16750975" wrote:
I think there should be a way to cure disabilities in the sims. Like there is a cure to vampirism in every part of the Sims franchise. IRL, there is no cure for being dead, but The Sims has Ambrosia. I can imagine a Vampire in a wheelchair could still use super speed and the wheelchair would super speed with the Vampire. A vampire in a wheelchair who turns into a bat could either leave the wheelchair behind and helplessly lay on the ground until bat traveling back to the wheelchair, or just make the wheelchair disappear and reappear where he turns back from being a bat.

A Witch with learning deficiency would take longer to learn spells but would still learn them eventually. What if a flying broom can act as a substitute for a wheelchair that can also float on stairs so no elevator needed? What I imagine being difficult is a plant sim with water allergy or sunlight allergy.

In Sims 2 if you paid the Grim Reaper enough money you could bring back the dead - but if you did not pay him enough you dead Sim would become a permanent Zombie.

Permanent as in could not be undone by regular gameplay?
Not even by drowning the zombie and paying dear old Grim a bit more next time?

Nope. Nothing would change it. We kept asking for a cure and it was not until near the end of Sims 2 if you found the Madam something or other - I forget her name - that was the proprietor in the Curiosity shop in down town you could sometimes get a potion that would make them sort of better - they would still have the zombie walk and such but they acted more alive etc - but it never brought them fully back. Technically once you got a zombie you were stuck with them forever - they never died anymore anyway.

I didn't know that. I never played 2 that much.

"wormstache999;c-16750995" wrote:

"Armilus616;c-16750975" wrote:
I think there should be a way to cure disabilities in the sims. Like there is a cure to vampirism in every part of the Sims franchise. IRL, there is no cure for being dead, but The Sims has Ambrosia. I can imagine a Vampire in a wheelchair could still use super speed and the wheelchair would super speed with the Vampire. A vampire in a wheelchair who turns into a bat could either leave the wheelchair behind and helplessly lay on the ground until bat traveling back to the wheelchair, or just make the wheelchair disappear and reappear where he turns back from being a bat.

A Witch with learning deficiency would take longer to learn spells but would still learn them eventually. What if a flying broom can act as a substitute for a wheelchair that can also float on stairs so no elevator needed? What I imagine being difficult is a plant sim with water allergy or sunlight allergy.

Oh, I think that would make so many people angry - Imagine having Sims lying on the ground helplessly and not being able to move around because their wheelchair is somewhere else. You said they could fly back to it but just the picture of Sims lying on the ground makes me feel... really sad and uncomfortable :( In theory it would make sense but considering they won't even let pets die from anything else except old age because it's too sad I can't imagine them doing this.
I do like your ideas about witches though. As I said in my reply above - I think it would be too much to change occult Sims behavior for every added disability, but who knows which disabilities and how many they're even considering...

Well, then the option where the bat sort of takes the wheelchair with it would be better. I really don't think that disabilities should be exclusive to non-occults. Maybe a Werewolf would still sit in the wheelchair even after transformation? It would look so weird with that furry monster thing in a wheelchair and hunting with the others while maneuvering the chair around and making a face (snout, whatever) like "plum is happening!?"
It is something the Devs should really think about, but the storytelling potential...
My Sisters Ex sits in a wheelchair, and I don't see what would stop him from becoming a vampire or Werewolf. (Food on wheels :wink: )
But if that would cure his spine... What would be more interesting? If it did or if it didn't?

The werewolf in a wheelchair and hunting with his pack members is an adorable thought and made me laugh :D
I do like your ideas. At this point I just really wish we had a tiny bit more of infos.
Duhgirl2u2
7 years ago
While I still worry about people who are differently abled being misrepresented or upset because their personal abilities are not represented at all, I think the idea of having supernaturals with the ability to have a different skill set might be intriguing to people in general.

I know he's not a supernatural so much as a super hero, but look at Daredevil. He's a blind man who uses sonar to find his way and help others. Maybe that goes a step too far, I don't know. I think my daughter, who has a developmental disorder similar to Asperger's, would love being able to create a werewolf, vampire, witch, etc... with similar abilities to herself. For me, being deaf (or mostly so in my case) the idea that my vampires might have to rely on scent, or sight to eat is somewhat intriguing.

Regardless of what gets implemented, I hope its done respectfully, tactfully, and with the real people behind the keyboards in mind.
Armilus616
7 years ago
"duhboy2u2;c-16751067" wrote:
While I still worry about people who are differently abled being misrepresented or upset because their personal abilities are not represented at all, I think the idea of having supernaturals with the ability to have a different skill set might be intriguing to people in general.

I know he's not a supernatural so much as a super hero, but look at Daredevil. He's a blind man who uses sonar to find his way and help others. Maybe that goes a step too far, I don't know. I think my daughter, who has a developmental disorder similar to Asperger's, would love being able to create a werewolf, vampire, witch, etc... with similar abilities to herself. For me, being deaf (or mostly so in my case) the idea that my vampires might have to rely on scent, or sight to eat is somewhat intriguing.

Regardless of what gets implemented, I hope its done respectfully, tactfully, and with the real people behind the keyboards in mind.

A SimGuru, can't remember which one, said they would work with actual disabled people to make it "Just Right".
Being inclusive is really important for the Sims Team. They made the Gender Patch. And from the very first second of the game, your Sims Gender had no influence who this Sim could get romantically involved with. You can't get steamy with children or your parents or siblings (unless you have mods), but that's basically it... Roughly.
I am confident they will manage to add disabilities too.
Duhgirl2u2
7 years ago
"Armilus616;c-16751074" wrote:
"duhboy2u2;c-16751067" wrote:
While I still worry about people who are differently abled being misrepresented or upset because their personal abilities are not represented at all, I think the idea of having supernaturals with the ability to have a different skill set might be intriguing to people in general.

I know he's not a supernatural so much as a super hero, but look at Daredevil. He's a blind man who uses sonar to find his way and help others. Maybe that goes a step too far, I don't know. I think my daughter, who has a developmental disorder similar to Asperger's, would love being able to create a werewolf, vampire, witch, etc... with similar abilities to herself. For me, being deaf (or mostly so in my case) the idea that my vampires might have to rely on scent, or sight to eat is somewhat intriguing.

Regardless of what gets implemented, I hope its done respectfully, tactfully, and with the real people behind the keyboards in mind.

A SimGuru, can't remember which one, said they would work with actual disabled people to make it "Just Right".
Being inclusive is really important for the Sims Team. They made the Gender Patch. And from the very first second of the game, your Sims Gender had no influence who this Sim could get romantically involved with. You can't get steamy with children or your parents or siblings (unless you have mods), but that's basically it... Roughly.
I am confident they will manage to add disabilities too.

Thank you for your words. I hope this is true and cross my fingers it is so. I think implemented in the right way, it could be a very positive and wonderful thing for people everywhere.