This thread could be considered as an spin-off of:https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/948274/disabilities-for-sims-4-tea-leaves-are-leaning-to-yes#latestAs I no want go off-topic at such theme (than is going quite proud)As at that theme was talking about disabilities, as @SimGuruGraham started at twitter that theme, I was thinking how would work (or no) with occult life states:Vampires:Here I have 2 main lines1 - Vampires at TS3 had ability of scan a zone and select the best sims. Then at TS4 would be than vampires no drink and cant convert, disabled sims (of any state)2 - This other option by the way would be than vampires also can be disabled people. In this case, unable to buy Bat form, super-speed and mistAliens:They cant birth disabled, even no alien babies from male abductions.Also, as sixam has a quite advanced technology, after an abduction against a disabled sim, there is a chance (10% maybe) than aliens cure your disability!Future occults:Those than usually change form, if disabled, lose the shape-shifting ability, then always "stuck" at their human-like form, even for disabled mermaids when enter at water!PD: as I commented in the other thread, Im thinking here than the only disability introduced is physical... wheelchair, no mental

I don't see how having a disability would have any effect on a Sim's ability to use supernatural powers. My Deaf character I mentioned in the other thread is a vampire, and if anyone offered to "cure" her, she'd be super mad at them. She likes herself the way she is. (She was also a plant Sim at one point, but that's a whole different story.) Advanced technology doesn't automatically mean disability doesn't exist. (I recently read a science fiction anthology called Accessing the Future, which solely featured disabled protagonists and not a single "cure" story.)

Just a quick correction - It was Grant who talked about disabilities on Twitter, not Graham.Besides that I feel more and more "weird" about disabilities to be honest. All the things that have to be considered, changed and edited... I wonder how they can possibly give it justice. Personally I think they won't change much about the occult Sims. Sims with disabilities should be able to be occult Sims and I wouldn't want them excluded from powers or shape-shifting abilities.

Supernaturals are not going to have disabilities. That is silly. Vampires are undead - they can't be disabled.

"Armilus616;c-16750975" wrote:I think there should be a way to cure disabilities in the sims. Like there is a cure to vampirism in every part of the Sims franchise. IRL, there is no cure for being dead, but The Sims has Ambrosia. I can imagine a Vampire in a wheelchair could still use super speed and the wheelchair would super speed with the Vampire. A vampire in a wheelchair who turns into a bat could either leave the wheelchair behind and helplessly lay on the ground until bat traveling back to the wheelchair, or just make the wheelchair disappear and reappear where he turns back from being a bat. A Witch with learning deficiency would take longer to learn spells but would still learn them eventually. What if a flying broom can act as a substitute for a wheelchair that can also float on stairs so no elevator needed? What I imagine being difficult is a plant sim with water allergy or sunlight allergy. In Sims 2 if you paid the Grim Reaper enough money you could bring back the dead - but if you did not pay him enough you dead Sim would become a permanent Zombie.

"Writin_Reg;c-16750990" wrote:"Armilus616;c-16750984" wrote:"Writin_Reg;c-16750977" wrote:"Armilus616;c-16750975" wrote:I think there should be a way to cure disabilities in the sims. Like there is a cure to vampirism in every part of the Sims franchise. IRL, there is no cure for being dead, but The Sims has Ambrosia. I can imagine a Vampire in a wheelchair could still use super speed and the wheelchair would super speed with the Vampire. A vampire in a wheelchair who turns into a bat could either leave the wheelchair behind and helplessly lay on the ground until bat traveling back to the wheelchair, or just make the wheelchair disappear and reappear where he turns back from being a bat. A Witch with learning deficiency would take longer to learn spells but would still learn them eventually. What if a flying broom can act as a substitute for a wheelchair that can also float on stairs so no elevator needed? What I imagine being difficult is a plant sim with water allergy or sunlight allergy. In Sims 2 if you paid the Grim Reaper enough money you could bring back the dead - but if you did not pay him enough you dead Sim would become a permanent Zombie.Permanent as in could not be undone by regular gameplay?Not even by drowning the zombie and paying dear old Grim a bit more next time?Nope. Nothing would change it. We kept asking for a cure and it was not until near the end of Sims 2 if you found the Madam something or other - I forget her name - that was the proprietor in the Curiosity shop in down town you could sometimes get a potion that would make them sort of better - they would still have the zombie walk and such but they acted more alive etc - but it never brought them fully back. Technically once you got a zombie you were stuck with them forever - they never died anymore anyway.I didn't know that. I never played 2 that much."wormstache999;c-16750995" wrote:"Armilus616;c-16750975" wrote:I think there should be a way to cure disabilities in the sims. Like there is a cure to vampirism in every part of the Sims franchise. IRL, there is no cure for being dead, but The Sims has Ambrosia. I can imagine a Vampire in a wheelchair could still use super speed and the wheelchair would super speed with the Vampire. A vampire in a wheelchair who turns into a bat could either leave the wheelchair behind and helplessly lay on the ground until bat traveling back to the wheelchair, or just make the wheelchair disappear and reappear where he turns back from being a bat. A Witch with learning deficiency would take longer to learn spells but would still learn them eventually. What if a flying broom can act as a substitute for a wheelchair that can also float on stairs so no elevator needed? What I imagine being difficult is a plant sim with water allergy or sunlight allergy. Oh, I think that would make so many people angry - Imagine having Sims lying on the ground helplessly and not being able to move around because their wheelchair is somewhere else. You said they could fly back to it but just the picture of Sims lying on the ground makes me feel... really sad and uncomfortable :( In theory it would make sense but considering they won't even let pets die from anything else except old age because it's too sad I can't imagine them doing this. I do like your ideas about witches though. As I said in my reply above - I think it would be too much to change occult Sims behavior for every added disability, but who knows which disabilities and how many they're even considering...Well, then the option where the bat sort of takes the wheelchair with it would be better. I really don't think that disabilities should be exclusive to non-occults. Maybe a Werewolf would still sit in the wheelchair even after transformation? It would look so weird with that furry monster thing in a wheelchair and hunting with the others while maneuvering the chair around and making a face (snout, whatever) like "WTF is happening!?"It is something the Devs should really think about, but the storytelling potential...My Sisters Ex sits in a wheelchair, and I don't see what would stop him from becoming a vampire or Werewolf. (Food on wheels :wink: )But if that would cure his spine... What would be more interesting? If it did or if it didn't?

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justme22
7 years ago
"katrinasforest;c-16750838" wrote:
I don't see how having a disability would have any effect on a Sim's ability to use supernatural powers. My Deaf character I mentioned in the other thread is a vampire, and if anyone offered to "cure" her, she'd be super mad at them. She likes herself the way she is. (She was also a plant Sim at one point, but that's a whole different story.)

Advanced technology doesn't automatically mean disability doesn't exist. (I recently read a science fiction anthology called Accessing the Future, which solely featured disabled protagonists and not a single "cure" story.)

A mental or learning disability could make it more difficult to develop powers (takes longer, maybe because it's harder to focus), but I don't like limiting a player by making it impossible to develop powers. Being able to travel in bat or mist form might actually be freeing for a vampire in a wheelchair or who uses a cane, for starters. (We won't get into issues regarding vampiric spar for the physically disabled vampires.)
Armilus616
7 years ago
"stilljustme2;c-16751098" wrote:
"katrinasforest;c-16750838" wrote:
I don't see how having a disability would have any effect on a Sim's ability to use supernatural powers. My Deaf character I mentioned in the other thread is a vampire, and if anyone offered to "cure" her, she'd be super mad at them. She likes herself the way she is. (She was also a plant Sim at one point, but that's a whole different story.)

Advanced technology doesn't automatically mean disability doesn't exist. (I recently read a science fiction anthology called Accessing the Future, which solely featured disabled protagonists and not a single "cure" story.)

A mental or learning disability could make it more difficult to develop powers (takes longer, maybe because it's harder to focus), but I don't like limiting a player by making it impossible to develop powers. Being able to travel in bat or mist form might actually be freeing for a vampire in a wheelchair or who uses a cane, for starters. (We won't get into issues regarding vampiric spar for the physically disabled vampires.)

A guy in a wheelchair has a real disadvantage when he gets in a fight, but just because he can't move his legs doesn't mean his arms are useless. So if a guy in a wheelchair and a healthy guy get in a fight, the guy in the wheelchair is more likely to be beaten up, but depending on fitness or other factors, the wheelchair guy might win. A real disadvantage doesn't mean guaranteed defeat. That could be the same with vampire spar. There would be a need for new animations, of course.
justme22
7 years ago
"Armilus616;c-16751125" wrote:
"stilljustme2;c-16751098" wrote:
"katrinasforest;c-16750838" wrote:
I don't see how having a disability would have any effect on a Sim's ability to use supernatural powers. My Deaf character I mentioned in the other thread is a vampire, and if anyone offered to "cure" her, she'd be super mad at them. She likes herself the way she is. (She was also a plant Sim at one point, but that's a whole different story.)

Advanced technology doesn't automatically mean disability doesn't exist. (I recently read a science fiction anthology called Accessing the Future, which solely featured disabled protagonists and not a single "cure" story.)

A mental or learning disability could make it more difficult to develop powers (takes longer, maybe because it's harder to focus), but I don't like limiting a player by making it impossible to develop powers. Being able to travel in bat or mist form might actually be freeing for a vampire in a wheelchair or who uses a cane, for starters. (We won't get into issues regarding vampiric spar for the physically disabled vampires.)

A guy in a wheelchair has a real disadvantage when he gets in a fight, but just because he can't move his legs doesn't mean his arms are useless. So if a guy in a wheelchair and a healthy guy get in a fight, the guy in the wheelchair is more likely to be beaten up, but depending on fitness or other factors, the wheelchair guy might win. A real disadvantage doesn't mean guaranteed defeat. That could be the same with vampire spar. There would be a need for new animations, of course.

Yeah, I was thinking more in terms of animations especially with so much of the spar being in the air. Would the vampire magically rise from the chair to spar, then sink back into it if s/he wins (or placed back in for a loss)? People in wheelchairs often have pretty good upper body strength from everyday wheeling (before age and illness deteriorated her muscles my late mother-in-law was quite strong; she was in a wheelchair for over 25 years due to failed scoliosis surgery).
Armilus616
7 years ago
"stilljustme2;c-16751194" wrote:
"Armilus616;c-16751125" wrote:
"stilljustme2;c-16751098" wrote:
"katrinasforest;c-16750838" wrote:
I don't see how having a disability would have any effect on a Sim's ability to use supernatural powers. My Deaf character I mentioned in the other thread is a vampire, and if anyone offered to "cure" her, she'd be super mad at them. She likes herself the way she is. (She was also a plant Sim at one point, but that's a whole different story.)

Advanced technology doesn't automatically mean disability doesn't exist. (I recently read a science fiction anthology called Accessing the Future, which solely featured disabled protagonists and not a single "cure" story.)

A mental or learning disability could make it more difficult to develop powers (takes longer, maybe because it's harder to focus), but I don't like limiting a player by making it impossible to develop powers. Being able to travel in bat or mist form might actually be freeing for a vampire in a wheelchair or who uses a cane, for starters. (We won't get into issues regarding vampiric spar for the physically disabled vampires.)

A guy in a wheelchair has a real disadvantage when he gets in a fight, but just because he can't move his legs doesn't mean his arms are useless. So if a guy in a wheelchair and a healthy guy get in a fight, the guy in the wheelchair is more likely to be beaten up, but depending on fitness or other factors, the wheelchair guy might win. A real disadvantage doesn't mean guaranteed defeat. That could be the same with vampire spar. There would be a need for new animations, of course.

Yeah, I was thinking more in terms of animations especially with so much of the spar being in the air. Would the vampire magically rise from the chair to spar, then sink back into it if s/he wins (or placed back in for a loss)? People in wheelchairs often have pretty good upper body strength from everyday wheeling (before age and illness deteriorated her muscles my late mother-in-law was quite strong; she was in a wheelchair for over 25 years due to failed scoliosis surgery).

Or would they lift the Chair with them, beating their opponent with it... :smiley:
hiabara
7 years ago
"katrinasforest;c-16752383" wrote:
Sorry, I have no idea why my quoted text didn't show up as such. Or where the random "you can" came from. I think I was starting a sentence and got cut off somehow. ^_^;;

You need to get the member rank to be able to post proper quotes and edit posts. When you've reached 30 posts and 50 points (50 people liked your posts) then you'll get the actual member rank :)
leo3487
Seasoned Newcomer
7 years ago
"Writin_Reg;c-16750974" wrote:
Supernaturals are not going to have disabilities. That is silly. Vampires are undead - they can't be disabled.

Vampires are inmortal at TS4, also sure fairies will be inmortal
But what about non-inmortal life-states? They certainly can have disabilities (except aliens due their far advanced technology)
Loanet
Rising Scout
7 years ago
"leo3487;c-16753194" wrote:
"Writin_Reg;c-16750974" wrote:
Supernaturals are not going to have disabilities. That is silly. Vampires are undead - they can't be disabled.

Vampires are inmortal at TS4, also sure fairies will be inmortal
But what about non-inmortal life-states? They certainly can have disabilities (except aliens due their far advanced technology)

I don't see why they couldn't have disabilities. Considering how Vampires and Fairies and the like don't actually, really EXIST, we don't exactly have examples. However many vampires used to be human. We've no evidence becoming vampire would cure that. And what about mental disabilities? I don't suppose becoming a Vampire will make your Autism vanish.

People are always saying stuff about how Disabilities will offend disabled people but from what I can tell, most players with disabilities would rather it's realistic than tasteful. In fact one of the things I've noticed people with disabilities get offended about, including myself, is magical 'cures'.
leo3487
Seasoned Newcomer
7 years ago
"Armilus616;c-16753600" wrote:
From a gameplay perspective, I do think there should not be any "Condition", be it a disability or a disease or an occult status, that you're stuck with it once you have it. I don't think the fact that the Zombie was permanent in Sims 2 was really popular.
From a realism standpoint, I do agree that there are disabilities that people are stuck with forever, but others are curable. The cure doesn't have to be magical, though. Training and therapy could do the trick. And for those that imagine the disability to be permanent, just don't visit any or not the correct therapy.

From a business perspective, the cure or mitigation you say, should be a Disabilities GP instead a free patch
Loanet
Rising Scout
7 years ago
Maybe we'll get elevators or stairlifts?

Also, wanna know some conditions I'm stuck with?

Shortsightedness.

Epilepsy.

Autistic Spectrum disorder.

Prosopagnosia.

And don't forget people with cystic fibrosis, or children with learning disorders. People who are blind or deaf. If I could just snap my fingers, I rather think I would.
leo3487
Seasoned Newcomer
7 years ago
"JoAnne65;c-16756391" wrote:
"leo3487;c-16755351" wrote:
"JoAnne65;c-16755344" wrote:
Given the fact supernaturals in Sims 3 couldn’t even (ice)skate, I’d prepare myself for the possibility they can’t be disabled either. It might be for the same reason why they rather don’t implement hybrids either.

lazyness
poor engine
quite lagging

I have no idea but it annoys me to this very day my genies and fairies start flying when entering the rink :D Maybe we will hear more about it today...

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