Don't Complain if You Buy The Pack

I think after thinking about it a bit, more of because of Bonehilda being tied to the seance table is why I will skip the pack. The voodoo doll and seance tables and ouiji boards just make me personally uncomfortable. But I hope that those that enjoy the pack will. I think even with fantasy there are different likes and dislikes for each of us too. I prefer toggles too especially for storytelling they are nice to have and I don't even think the Sims 3 utilized them enough. I prefer a trigger for supernaturals too which was nice about the Sims 2, they didn't show up unless you interacted with a NPC.

Apparently the sentient female skeleton's not hot enough for some people.

These are generally the people who complain about realism.

"Loanet;c-17779889" wrote:
Apparently the sentient female skeleton's not hot enough for some people.

These are generally the people who complain about realism.

This about me? Because I don't find Bonehilda hot or anything, despite my jokes. I'm disappointed that they didn't give her the frilly/skimpy maid costume. It's more humerus humorous because it makes her look like she's trying to be sexy, and was also a better fit for her body.

"MeowchaFrappe;c-17779399" wrote:
The reason vampires and spellcasters have their own packs exclusively dedicated to them is so that they could be fully fleshed out. The whole point of Vampires and Realm of Magic is vampires and spellcasters respectively. But the problem is... people are buying these clearly occult dedicated packs (that they have virtually no interest in gameplay wise) and then making devs nerf the occult gameplay, leaving those of us who want the occults with something that's half-baked and watered down. They're treading on other people's games all because they couldn't skip out on a handful of BB or CAS items.

It's not about wanting supernatural chaos to happen necessarily, it's about having content we paid for nerfed nearly out of existence without any warning. I mean vampires don't even act like vampires and spellcasters only use their powers in the magic realm, so they're essentially just regular sims who have fangs or glowing eyes.

But what about the players (like me) who actually bought Vampires and RoM for gameplay in the first place and don't enjoy spellcasters or vampires using their powers everywhere? I had been waiting for magic-using lifestate from the Sims 4 release date, though I hate that spellcasters use their brooms in the normal world. As I've said, sometimes I want to play with vampires, sometimes I want aliens and sometimes I'd prefer none of them in my current save. Otherwise, there is a situation that I call "supernatural chaos".

"Brinn;c-17780421" wrote:

"MeowchaFrappe;c-17779399" wrote:
The reason vampires and spellcasters have their own packs exclusively dedicated to them is so that they could be fully fleshed out. The whole point of Vampires and Realm of Magic is vampires and spellcasters respectively. But the problem is... people are buying these clearly occult dedicated packs (that they have virtually no interest in gameplay wise) and then making devs nerf the occult gameplay, leaving those of us who want the occults with something that's half-baked and watered down. They're treading on other people's games all because they couldn't skip out on a handful of BB or CAS items.

It's not about wanting supernatural chaos to happen necessarily, it's about having content we paid for nerfed nearly out of existence without any warning. I mean vampires don't even act like vampires and spellcasters only use their powers in the magic realm, so they're essentially just regular sims who have fangs or glowing eyes.

But what about the players (like me) who actually bought Vampires and RoM for gameplay in the first place and don't enjoy spellcasters or vampires using their powers everywhere? I had been waiting for magic-using lifestate from the Sims 4 release date, though I hate that spellcasters use their brooms in the normal world. As I've said, sometimes I want to play with vampires, sometimes I want aliens and sometimes I'd prefer none of them in my current save. Otherwise, there is a situation that I call "supernatural chaos".

This is true for me also @Brinn. I love creepy, supernatural, occult play and I want it... but not in every save or sim family. I also want some control over it. If I'm playing out an alien abduction world/save (which I have) there might not be witches in that save... or at least they aren't evident because they don't use their powers autonomously. I definitely don't want to see autonomous use, because it would devolve into chaos and no control over the game. I'm great with vampires now that we have a way of disallowing them from the lot.. I did have a problem with autonomous break ins. I remember wanting vampires to work in that old story way where they have to be invited across a threshold first actually. In some ways that's what they have provided us with the door locks. So if they nerfed them they can bring them back since we have a way out.
It's about options and toggles or objects that determine whether or not that save or lot has that gameplay (like the way it's done in laundry day).
I'm definitely getting this pack and I'll play the heck out of it, but do I want my lots to become autonomously haunted? Nope... but this isn't going to happen. I have to chose a haunted lot and I'm happy that I have the choice.
It's also not black and white... oh realistic players are to blame, story tellers are to blame ect. A lot of players play in multiple ways. I know I can be a supernatural player, a realistic player, a deviant player, a story teller, a play the game the way it is player, ect.
Mostly I'm not a chaos player because I do want some control to a lot of control.. if you take away all control I'm gonna have a complaint or something to say about it.

I don't interact with vampires or spell casters in some of my games. My sim gets bitten only 1 time if I leave the door unlocked and never sees any sims using a broom. I see the vampires around town but they're working and acting like a regular sim.

Complaints about vampires and spell casters in the sims can be compared to playing a RPG and choosing to play a thief. Then being upset because the game makes you do thief quests when you didn't want to steal.

Take Skyrim for example, when you join the thief guild you have to frame a shop keeper, once joined, you have to force several other shop keepers to give money to the guild. I don't know what else is in the quest line because I started a new game and now I don't join the guild. I did not tell Bethesda to take the thief guild out of the elder scrolls, instead I avoid doing the thief guild quests in my game.

"DragonAge_300905;c-17780625" wrote:
I don't interact with vampires or spell casters in some of my games. My sim gets bitten only 1 time if I leave the door unlocked and never sees any sims using a broom. I see the vampires around town but they're working and acting like a regular sim.

Complaints about vampires and spell casters in the sims can be compared to playing a RPG and choosing to play a thief. Then being upset because the game makes you do thief quests when you didn't want to steal.

Take Skyrim for example, when you join the thief guild you have to frame a shop keeper, once joined, you have to force several other shop keepers to give money to the guild. I don't know what else is in the quest line because I started a new game and now I don't join the guild. I did not tell Bethesda to take the thief guild out of the elder scrolls, instead I avoid doing the thief guild quests in my game.

The problem with the Thiefs' Guild in Skyrim is not about its questline (which is great, btw) :) It's about not having an option not to join them. Brinjolf would literally pursue your Dovakin if you didn't take the quest from him. Besides, in order to avoid getting this quest you must know very clear that choosing a certain response in his dialogue (quite innocent response btw) will result in beginning the welcome quest...

So you're right: the situation with the Thiefs' Guild in Skyrim is quite similar to the unavoidable occult gameplay in The Sims games ;)

Speaking about the Sims and Skyrim, I would prefer the Sims' supernatural gameplay to feel like joining the Dark Brotherhood, not the Thiefs' Guild: subtle, optional and not-so-obvious.

"Brinn;c-17780649" wrote:

"DragonAge_300905;c-17780625" wrote:
I don't interact with vampires or spell casters in some of my games. My sim gets bitten only 1 time if I leave the door unlocked and never sees any sims using a broom. I see the vampires around town but they're working and acting like a regular sim.

Complaints about vampires and spell casters in the sims can be compared to playing a RPG and choosing to play a thief. Then being upset because the game makes you do thief quests when you didn't want to steal.

Take Skyrim for example, when you join the thief guild you have to frame a shop keeper, once joined, you have to force several other shop keepers to give money to the guild. I don't know what else is in the quest line because I started a new game and now I don't join the guild. I did not tell Bethesda to take the thief guild out of the elder scrolls, instead I avoid doing the thief guild quests in my game.

The problem with the Thiefs' Guild in Skyrim is not about its questline (which is great, btw) :) It's about not having an option not to join them. Brinjolf would literally pursue your Dovakin if you didn't take the quest from him. Besides, in order to avoid getting this quest you must know very clear that choosing a certain response in his dialogue (quite innocent response btw) will result in beginning the welcome quest...

So you're right: the situation with the Thiefs' Guild in Skyrim is quite similar to the unavoidable occult gameplay in The Sims games ;)

Speaking about the Sims and Skyrim, I would prefer the Sims' supernatural gameplay to feel like joining the Dark Brotherhood, not the Thiefs' Guild: subtle, optional and not-so-obvious.

Did you know you can fail that quest and still become a member? Do you know the reason it plays like that? Because people complained in the prior elder scrolls games that they would be locked out of the guilds if they failed a joining quest. :)

"CelSims;c-17780678" wrote:



Anyway, bring on more packs where they give us a lot by lot option like in this one. Either an object or a lot trait to ban occults. NOT to allow them, I paid for the features and I want them as default. Imagine buying seasons and having to use a lot trait on every lot to turn on the weather.

It might be more convenient for a none occult player who just loves that cute sofa, or some one who wants to have magic on one or two lots to just have to change a couple lots but making people that want a more fantastical world have to go through every lot in the game in every new save to turn it on? No, cater to those who want it, for once.

Everyone pays for the pack, not only you. So why your opinion must be put above the other players'? Those who want to have magic here and there (but not everywhere), plus those who wanted a lovely sofa, plus those who collect every pack - they are... I mean we are - the majority. So our complaints will be heard. And we will complain if some gameplay is ruining our saves.

The thing is we're not the minority, we're actually playing the game. The thing that other game devs take into consideration is how many are playing the game as is and not complaining about it. Stardew valley dev can see how many are playing and ignores the complaints about the fishing difficulty in the game. He hasn't nerffed the fishing mini game no matter how many complain about it.