@ignominiusrex I don't tend to play premades, myself. So, what I know of the Pancakes is when I played a newlywed couple, he with the Friend of the World aspiration, so I had him go to that little picnic area in the poorer district in Willow Creek where the young couple lived. His sweet young wife followed him there after a time. Bob Pancakes hit on her — I only knew this because she had a swirl of red negative signs about her person. But her new husband (and this was before they gave us the Jealousy Trait, just to be clear) had the thought bubble "how long has this been going on behind my back?" Not a good moment. I had to have her talk her new hubby off of the proverbial wall, to cajole him into a better mood. Nearly wreaked havoc on the marriage. I don't like the Pancakes, simply from that encounter. As far as Eliza is concerned, this was probably the first time my Sims have had any direct contact with her. But I have read in other threads what a wildcat she is, so to speak.