Fashion update: enabling layers.

I'd love to be able to layer clothing. Thinking about how they'd have to go back and change everything I'm hoping to see it in the next version.

"simgirl1010;c-16893327" wrote:
I'd love to be able to layer clothing. Thinking about how they'd have to go back and change everything I'm hoping to see it in the next version.

Not really, if you think about it,

Look at layering socks and leggings, tattoos under clothes, the layering software is there, it’s just a matter of shifting code and applying it to everything.

If EA and the sims team think it’s worth doing, they’ll do it, and if enough people bring them to this, we might get it.

As much as I’m looking forward to sims 5, the focus is on 4 right now, so rather than wait for the next generation, make this one worth working hard for.

"Godleyjeans;c-16893555" wrote:

"simgirl1010;c-16893327" wrote:
I'd love to be able to layer clothing. Thinking about how they'd have to go back and change everything I'm hoping to see it in the next version.

Not really, if you think about it,

Look at layering socks and leggings, tattoos under clothes, the layering software is there, it’s just a matter of shifting code and applying it to everything.

If EA and the sims team think it’s worth doing, they’ll do it, and if enough people bring them to this, we might get it.

As much as I’m looking forward to sims 5, the focus is on 4 right now, so rather than wait for the next generation, make this one worth working hard for.

Didn't realize it was as simple as that. ?

@GodleyJeans, it certainly is not that simple from the dev side of things. Simply allowing layering of "everything" instead of what we have now would just lead to a ton of content looking silly/overlapping each other in weird ways.

Right now, the way the meshes for t-shirts and sweaters are designed, for example, if they just enabled shirts to layer with each other, you'd have overlap goofily and look funny...i.e. they wouldn't actually overlay properly.

The only way to fix that, is to go through each individual piece of content itself and redesign them specifically to address that because they were not initially designed to be layered with each other.

It is, of course, totally doable...but it is not nearly as simple as a quick engineering change on the software side for them to do it so things actually looked good.

"Stormkeep;c-16893655" wrote:
@GodleyJeans, it certainly is not that simple from the dev side of things. Simply allowing layering of "everything" instead of what we have now would just lead to a ton of content looking silly/overlapping each other in weird ways.

Right now, the way the meshes for t-shirts and sweaters are designed, for example, if they just enabled shirts to layer with each other, you'd have overlap goofily and look funny...i.e. they wouldn't actually overlay properly.

The only way to fix that, is to go through each individual piece of content itself and redesign them specifically to address that because they were not initially designed to be layered with each other.

It is, of course, totally doable...but it is not nearly as simple as a quick engineering change on the software side for them to do it so things actually looked good.

Oh gosh, I wasn’t saying it was easy by any means! What I mean is, the software IS THERE, it is possible and it isn’t as if the team have to create an entire new feature out of thin air, one that could easily take months or even up to a year to properly design, bug check and release.

I agree with you on the fact they would need to go through all the clothes they’ve ever created to enable a fashionable and realistic pairing of “everything”, however, I’m not foolish enough to assume they wouldn’t put a sims 4 twist on this feature to make it their own, or something new so nobody is annoyed by this possible option,

Coding in all forms is difficult, whether you’re new to it or a professional whose job it is everyday to create long strands of it or even fill whole systems with new pieces and such.

What I’m trying to say is that it’s not impossible and given what we already have, it’s hopefully probable, it’s not something they can give some lame excuse towards as to not doing so. That’s what I mean, however not for a second do I encourage people to scream and deliver ridiculous outcry’s to try and get their attention as they have with other desired features.

And as much as I loath the thought of silly outfit mash ups should this option be made real, I also enjoy it, yes it would mean a possibly game breaking mash up of layers and awful choices clothes wise but people in the real world do that, you have challenges of 20 or more shirts or trousers or underwear, why should sims lack the ability to be as stupid and ridiculous as we are? Also don’t forget those sim tube views.

Bring it on, I say, especially the awful looking outfits and layers because no doubt there’s someone in the world who wants their sim to look utterly insane!

It's something I want. but not something I expect to be added in ts4. It's something that really needs to be added from the beginning, so all the layers are designed to work together from the start.

As has been mentioned, it is a complicated thing to add in at this late point. It would be a monumental task, and require the effort of an entire team of people to achieve. So the question is: are layerable clothes more important to you than a new EP?

You have to take into account the time, effort, and resources it would take to achieve. It wouldn't be a quick fix that could be patched in next month. It would takes months of work, time and effort taken from some other new aspect of the game that wouldn't be developed.

"Godleyjeans;c-16893555" wrote:

Not really, if you think about it,

Look at layering socks and leggings, tattoos under clothes, the layering software is there, it’s just a matter of shifting code and applying it to everything.

If EA and the sims team think it’s worth doing, they’ll do it, and if enough people bring them to this, we might get it.

I can guarantee you it's not that simple, and it's not worth the amount of resources it would require this late in the game. Hope for it in TS5.

"Cupid;c-16895712" wrote:

"Godleyjeans;c-16893555" wrote:

Not really, if you think about it,

Look at layering socks and leggings, tattoos under clothes, the layering software is there, it’s just a matter of shifting code and applying it to everything.

If EA and the sims team think it’s worth doing, they’ll do it, and if enough people bring them to this, we might get it.

I can guarantee you it's not that simple, and it's not worth the amount of resources it would require this late in the game. Hope for it in TS5.

As said to one of the above simmers, I by no means assume anything involved in the creation or editing of this feature is easy, and yes, I agree its not really worth the amount of time, energy and resources to just add layering, but, that is why I cared to mention a sims 4 twist which would hopefully make the feature worth having, in short terms, have it part of a bigger fashion related update which would take a good deal of time and such, but the team wouldn't be scratching their heads or pulling out their hair trying to understand why they were going to so much effort for a single thought which could easily come back and kick them in their plums.

As small as this idea sims, its a great deal larger than described, it would be involved in a fair amount more, however I lack the ability to completely explain the entire lay out, also its important to hear from other simmers as to what they think and desire for the game.

again, by no means do i think this is simple or easy, even as someone utterly clueless to this sort of stuff, I don't pretend to know the ins and outs and call out anyone who argues on that account, no. the sims is a large game, its been given an entirely new engine which in itself leaves past knowledge and software useless to the team, its a blank slate and like many things, blank slates are as troublesome as they are important to the expansion of something, plus you have staff and EA having to basically re-learn everything from the ground up, from software to just designing items on paper.

What I've been trying to say is that they have the software, they have knowledge of path ways toward creating this feature a smidge faster than if they had come at this without a single thought towards it, that doesn't mean easy, it just means they have a slightly better image of it than if they'd come at this game and its abilities completely new and without having watched and helped the game come to life.

Sorry for the poor reply, its late and my brain tends to trail.

They could layer the new stuff and leave what's already in the game as it is.

having the ability to add a cardigan of my own choosing is something ive been wanting for ages. i dont understand why it wasnt added when originally creating the sims 4 given we can layer socks and leggings.

"Melpomena;c-16896075" wrote:
They could layer the new stuff and leave what's already in the game as it is.

if possible and it didnt detract from new content id be down for this. maybe a small selection of cardigans or coats to test it otherwise ill wait for the next iteration of the sims, as mentioned above id rather resources be spent towards new content