Goodbye for now Sims 4

I don't know how many times I've had to delete a save and start over again thinking that will help but it's always the same crap all over again. Recently I decided to just renovate all the world's because I've gotten so tired of starting a game and dealing with bugs. So Op you may not come back but I am also where you are. Despite me renovating I feel like uninstalling and continuing with 2 and 3. And even with 3 of me not having all the packs I don't experience nearly as many bugs as I have in 4. It's just shameful.

Another Sims 4 player bites the dust... so sad. :(
I have seen so many long-time Simmers get frustrated with TS4 and quit. It is just so, so sad that EA can turn their backs on long-time fans, and just not care at all.

I uninstalled ts4 a while ago for many of the same reasons others have listed.

I don't hate ts4 I had high hopes for it when I got it summer of 2016. I got it specifically because ts3 was buggy for me, it would crash constantly and eventually certain save files I had been playing for years were too corrupted to even open. I played the demo it seemed fine , especialy after hearing so many awful reveiws. It did improve on certain things so I thought it was being hated on mostly because it was cool to rather than it was awful. So I bought ts4.

Then city living came out, and we couldn't build apartments, not even by cheat. I was crazy disappointed. When I learnt that we couldn't even place pre made apartments in other world's, I decided to personally boycott city living. I felt that it was an extremely lazy way to implement a large system such as apartments. Cats and dogs comes around and once again I am finding limitations, not being able to see pet needs, no control over pets, another active kind of buggy career, and no small pets meant I ended up personally boycotting C&D as well. At this point I hadn't really played ts4 since august of 2017, I still haven't really played since then tbh. I' annoyed by the delays between ep and half of them I personally can not support in good faith.

Then I started looking at the fact that sp are holding items I care about hostage. MFP is the example that everyone collectively seems to have lost it over, but I haven't been OK with things like hot tubs, Bowling, party types or butlers being locked away for 10$. The sp in this version I hate, they do not cover a build theme entirely, instead focusing on one or two items with new animations and lots of decor. The model also seriously concerns me that I will never see more than two styles of hot tub and that every small item that used to fill ep (butlers, new party types, bowling, small animals) are now all going to cost me an additional 10$ to get. I once again can not in good faith support this system. Nore can I really justify it financially.

There are so many other things that I don't like, live service that updates my game often adding bugs and fixing things for packs I don't own. Having all the world's I don't own show up in the world's menu annoys me. The bugs annoy me like crazy since the only reason I gave ts4 a chance to begin with was to limit them. The lack of male cas content is annoying. The lack of even just a color wheel for items and clothing, and then not having matching Color swatches was honestly pathetic. No terrain editing tools. No different levels of foundation. Plantsims I find insulting as a "lifestate". Being given awesome new build features for house exteriors then never getting any new items to use in them. Sim traits that do almost nothing. Small amounts of build space per world. There are so many small things that add up for me and some of them seem so basic in concept to get right, that I just get frustrated all the time.

The worst part then comes that, a lot of what I want and hope for tends to be said as impossible because of things like gallery compatability or stability of the game or money or whatever. I just got to the point last Nov. where I felt it was clear that this game was not made for players like me, so I uninstalled the game and set to work fixing up ts3. I hang around here because I enjoy looking at build contests and I have a hard time letting the Sims go. I grew up with the Sims, it was my childhood game and I still have hope for it. So I provide feedback and check in for news on new packs keep hoping one catches my imagination. There's also some people here who I quite enjoy talking to and really this is the only place where I can nerd out about Sims stuff fully. I still don't hate ts4 it has its gems of game play, they just aren't enough for me.

You may not see this op but I do get what you are saying and agree whole heartedly with the points you made.

I understand exactly how you feel. I have finally reached my own breaking point with this game. I have been playing the Sims for so long I feel like it is part of my identity but I had to walk away. When I calculated how much money I have spent on this game I am actually embarrassed. I purchased Sims 4 because it was the sims. I am a simmer. A simmer plays the sims. I played the base game and was disappointed but the game was new and just needed some time and a couple packs to flesh it out a little. Well, now several years later I have all the packs up to Cats and Dogs and the game still feels shallow, empty and unfinished. I love the Sims and I will always love the Sims but I have moved on. There are some really great games out there that are challenging, full of content and just fun to play. It is possible to purchase a game and play the entire game. I will always love the Sims and I will continue to follow the forums but I am also stepping away from the game for now.

I won't uninstall it, I just don't play it near as much as I used to. To use your term....thin gameplay is the reason why. There's no sim dynamic going on. There's just a lot of "busy work" to try to make up for the lack of depth.

Sims 2, it appears, was the pinnacle of the sims series in regards to the sims themselves. I had high hopes that depth was coming back in 4 after missing it so much in 3 but it appears that's not the case. They've gone further the other direction and removed even more than 3 did. It's sad for me because I have loved this series so much and S1 and 2 were my game go-to's to play. I had no need for other games because I had them.

I am playing S4 today because I haven't much since JA came out. But I am not invested in it. I love the sims I create and the builds I can make, but somehow, something is lacking. I don't love the Live mode as much as I did once upon a time when the Sims 2 sims were so awesome to play.

I can still play 2, but it's unfortunate that this wasn't an updated version of the best game of the series. Rachel said they were going back to the roots of the game. She lied. Because the roots made the characters ever and always entertaining to work with. Personality and DEPTH meant something then. It doesn't now. :'(

I think the Sims Team showed their hand with My First Pet Stuff. People have wanted to believe since Day 1 that this game would improve and it was merely a lack of all the expansion pack content making it feel weak, but now we've seen this isn't a steady climb upwards, but rather the moment EA sold a lot of copies of an EP, they thought it was time to cash out on the perceived consumer satisfaction by stabbing consumers in the back with a blatant cash grab. This shows to me that the staff is just watching like hawks and waiting for any opportunity to do less work for more money. Constant vigilance is needed with a company like this, and I frankly don't see why they're worth the time of day anymore.

I fully believe that while each game seeks to improve over the last, the goal of the Sims 4 is merely to improve the income-to-expense ratio of the game. It's not an improvement for the consumers, it's an improvement for EA. They're trying to figure out how to spend $5,000 making a new pack for $25,000 profit instead of spending $10,000 making a pack for $35,000 profit. If their interests don't seem to be in the game or improving the consumer experience, why should I bother...?

I haven't played in quite some time, and I haven't actually purchased a new pack in almost a year now. I liked posting here in hopes of getting people to think more critically and getting both the devs to aim higher while the fans expect more, but quite frankly, I feel like even this is a waste of time now. The staff said "please continue providing feedback, we're listening!" and we see absolutely no evidence of this. Since 2016, every single year one of the Gurus has said "you would not BELIEVE the kind of content we have coming!" or the like and acting like it's a big deal, yet look behind us and you'll find a barren desert with little to do. There's no way those comments from 2016 were all referring to 2018 and beyond. It's a testament to how either A.) The Gurus have terrible standards or B.) The Gurus will gladly lie to our faces to promote sales. Either way, it's a bleak-looking future.

I think it's time for people to come to terms with the fact that this team, in my opinion, simply doesn't care about this game. For the love of God, Sims team...Show me you care and stop telling me you do, because frankly I'm sick of the empty promises. They've released a total of 24 packs, and only 2 of those have actually been well-received. No other Sims game in the history of the franchise has had this many botched pack releases. This game is the uncontested king of disappointment within this franchise.

Just abandon this franchise and let it die. It's suffered enough. If they want it to continue, make them put their money where their mouth is and put some actual effort into making it.

Haven't done this in awhile, but I just thought I'd pop up some perspective with how well Sims 4 is doing, in comparison to Steam's top 10:

https://i.imgur.com/NIDzxyO.png

"thevogel;c-16409041" wrote:

"DeservedCriticism;c-16409026" wrote:


I think it's time for people to come to terms with the fact that this team, in my opinion, simply doesn't care about this game. For the love of God, Sims team...Show me you care and stop telling me you do, because frankly I'm sick of the empty promises. They've released a total of 24 packs, and only 2 of those have actually been well-received. No other Sims game in the history of the franchise has had this many botched pack releases. This game is the uncontested king of disappointment within this franchise.

Just abandon this franchise and let it die. It's suffered enough. If they want it to continue, make them put their money where their mouth is and put some actual effort into making it.

I agree with this 100%. I wish people would abandon the forum as well. That's hard because they combined the forums instead of leaving them with the original websites. It would be alot easier to make this forum a ghost town of itself if they didn't put the forums for TS3 and TS2 here.

It’s not just the Sims 3 section that keeps me coming back here. I like talking about the franchise with like-minded, I say that in all honesty (and the discussions with the not like-minded too by the way in some cases).

"Sk8rblaze;c-16409116" wrote:

"TheGoodOldGamer;c-16409033" wrote:
Haven't done this in awhile, but I just thought I'd pop up some perspective with how well Sims 4 is doing, in comparison to Steam's top 10:

https://i.imgur.com/NIDzxyO.png

This contributes absolutely nothing to the discussion.

Are you trying to insinuate The Sims 4 is objectively good and we are all wrong for giving our feedback because more expensive games have less players than The Sims 4, which is constantly on sale and included in EA’s free games membership program? It just has no place in this thread.

And flamebaiting does? :p

Someone was mentioning how the forum should be abandoned, etc etc. As if there's some huge drop-off in players and that any perceived lack of population on this forum indicates that. It clearly doesn't. And unlike unfounded, subjective opinions on the matter, I provided evidence for mine. *shrugs*

Feel free to discount it all as corporate lying or whatever, but it's more proof than most people have with this kind of thing.

"Sk8rblaze;c-16409142" wrote:

"TheGoodOldGamer;c-16409127" wrote:

"Sk8rblaze;c-16409116" wrote:

"TheGoodOldGamer;c-16409033" wrote:
Haven't done this in awhile, but I just thought I'd pop up some perspective with how well Sims 4 is doing, in comparison to Steam's top 10:

https://i.imgur.com/NIDzxyO.png

This contributes absolutely nothing to the discussion.

Are you trying to insinuate The Sims 4 is objectively good and we are all wrong for giving our feedback because more expensive games have less players than The Sims 4, which is constantly on sale and included in EA’s free games membership program? It just has no place in this thread.

And flamebaiting does? :p

Someone was mentioning how the forum should be abandoned, etc etc. As if there's some huge drop-off in players and that any perceived lack of population on this forum indicates that. It clearly doesn't. And unlike unfounded, subjective opinions on the matter, I provided evidence for mine. *shrugs*

Feel free to discount it all as corporate lying or whatever, but it's more proof than most people have with this kind of thing.

Does providing feedback really count as flamebaiting to you? I doubt The Sims 4 has feelings that will be hurt.

I don’t think there is any corporate lying in those figures, however, The Sims 4’s base game is quite cheap and accessible, which is my point.

You basically came into a feedback thread with no defense or commentary other than figures of a Steam chart composed of year old games, many older than TS4 and more expensive too, which still retain numbers in the high 5 figure range. That’s a pretty weak defense, which was not even needed in the first place.

To me, that’s trolling and baiting, and pretty disrespectful to people who spend a good amount of time trying to improve the game the way they like, in a section designed specifically for feedback. And then you say others are flame baiting?

Your post saying mine "contributes absolutely nothing to the discussion" was the flamebaiting, thanks. :p

My post did contribute. It gave perspective on the current game's success, based on the numbers we have available, along with comparisons to current competition. Disliking the game, or wishing it would suddenly fail because of that, doesn't mean that it actually is.

Also, a different perspective outside of confimation bias and tunnel vision is helpful, even if you don't like it. Take a look at my original post again. You're taking it out of context. I said nothing about discounting others opinions, did nothing to flamebait anybody. All I did was provide numbers that apparently upset you because they're higher than 0 or something, I'm not sure?

The game, and the series as a whole, isn't failing. In the past few years I've checked with this comparison, it has always been on the Top 10 levels of Steam, regardless of day, time, current sales or not. Prior to and after toddlers. Prior to and after vampires. Prior to and after MFP. You can take it or leave it as you like, but I just added some perspective outside of the current subjective narrative.

Thanks for the callout though. Now more people who would've glossed over it have seen it.