This comes from my love of the sims but this has been bothering me.The sims 4 is supposed to be a life simulator. Why is everyone so worried about addons when the basics arent even right... babies arent furniture and shouldn't just live in a bassinet. This bothers me so much to see, cars, doors, and everything else pushed so hard when the basics of the game aren't even done right. i think and wish EA game creators of the sims would look at the full element of what the game is supposed to be. the sims 3 had the basics and we reverted back to the sims 1 with babies. then all of the glitches and problems players are having and it takes so long to correct them. Instead of pushing new packs the game should be clear of game glitches, to begin with, i shouldn't have a baby and go outside and change into a hospital gown in middle of winter. these issues were and have been asked about before but no one from EA ever responded or tried to correct it. I have always been a fan of the sims and been apart of this community since the sims 1 and i own all packs the sims teams ever created. so yes I'm disappointed there isn't really care in the basics of what this game is supposed to be. it's a life simulator, to begin with, and the only focus is making packs with 1 cool item that people ask for but it has been furniture or clothing each time. its been over 5 years... when will babies become able to be living beings, if the sims can cater to pride, and fashion you would think humanity and treating living beings fairly would have come first. as a mom, it does bother me that i cant recreate my life since my sim infants are permanently attached to a crib... that's not humane.

They are making less content for a biggest amount of money, and they will extend the duration of The Sims 4 timeline as far as they can and fans will still build hope on something that in the end will still a huge disappointment in the franchise!

If they make babies a real lifestate and not a generic object, I'd want the sims to be smarter, first.I don't want to have my sim pick up their baby, walk over to the microwave, drop the baby on the floor next to a pile of dirty clothes, and then go off to stand in front of the fridge while eating their cold in the middle microwave meal despite them having perfectly good leftovers in the fridge.

"thecatsred;c-17364589" wrote:If they make babies a real lifestate and not a generic object, I'd want the sims to be smarter, first.I don't want to have my sim pick up their baby, walk over to the microwave, drop the baby on the floor next to a pile of dirty clothes, and then go off to stand in front of the fridge while eating their cold in the middle microwave meal despite them having perfectly good leftovers in the fridge. They managed exactly that in the predecessor (if there’s a crib in the house), so why not in this game?

"JoAnne65;c-17364715" wrote:They managed exactly that in the predecessor (if there’s a crib in the house), so why not in this game?Because the sims AI in this game seems so incredibly dumbed down in favor of "emotions", but even those are broken. Have a sim child upstairs doing homework while their parent dies in the basement and they don't even notice. It's a mess.

Perhaps it is supposed to be a life simulator..just not a real life simulator :/

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squirreltail15
5 years ago
It's one of the (few) times the Sims Freeplay gets one over Sims 4... the baby's worked in that. They could crawl around and do stuff. Even had baby skills! Now babies are needy furniture. Literally. I think you can buy one with the bb.showhiddenobjects cheat. That's just wrong.
astridentanja
5 years ago
"SquirrelTail15;c-17365536" wrote:
It's one of the (few) times the Sims Freeplay gets one over Sims 4... the baby's worked in that. They could crawl around and do stuff. Even had baby skills! Now babies are needy furniture. Literally. I think you can buy one with the bb.showhiddenobjects cheat. That's just wrong.

I agree, the Freeplay system would be ideal afaic. Babies you have to skill into toddlers (crawling around and doing really simple things) and then 4/5 year olds as a next life stage.
shorty943p
Seasoned Rookie
5 years ago
Yep a Life Simulator. IF, you are a 30 something programmer still living in Mom,s basement and know nothing about reality.
Which is why I have started looking for better simulations lately.
keekee53
Seasoned Newcomer
5 years ago
Watching some of those free play videos made me pretty angry. The kids had seesaws, kid ovens and all sorts of fun stuff. I don’t watch them anymore. I am tired of seeing what should be in this game.
SimsLovinLycan
5 years ago
"thecatsred;c-17364589" wrote:
If they make babies a real lifestate and not a generic object, I'd want the sims to be smarter, first.

I don't want to have my sim pick up their baby, walk over to the microwave, drop the baby on the floor next to a pile of dirty clothes, and then go off to stand in front of the fridge while eating their cold in the middle microwave meal despite them having perfectly good leftovers in the fridge.

Here, here. Unless they can make it so that when a sim is holding a Baby, they can't set the kid down on anything but a chair, a crib, or some other piece of designated furniture (play mats, playpens, baby swings, whatever), it's probably better that they're stuck to the crib. My sims getting ADD and dropping the kid on the floor to go play a game or whatever was incredibly annoying in TS2, and I've heard of people having that problem in TS3 too (maybe it was fixed eventrually or not as frequent as TS2, but it did happen). Unless the floor baby problem can be fixed once and for all, crib babies are really the best we can hope for with this game...
Hermitgirl
New Spectator
5 years ago
Why is everyone so worried about addons when the basics arent even right...

Because not everyone wants the same things or even uses it in their game play. I do hope they make babies better for those that want it but I'm still going to age them up quickly or even skip the baby and child stage completely with nearly every sim family I play. I'm sure I'll try it out for the novelty if they do improve that life stage for awhile of course.. then I'll go back to the way I like playing more.
Your basics aren't my basics. I want things that I want for my game and get excited over those things when they are released.
I'll be really excited for cars by the way even if others hate the idea of getting them. We all want different things.
Beardedgeek72
New Spectator
5 years ago
Well to each their own. I hate babies and age them up the second my sims get back from the hospital.
Also "humane"? I'm sorry but talking about pretend people's babies and claiming it in any way is inhumane that they can't leave the crib on their own is slightly offensive, to be honest.
Peapod79
New Spectator
5 years ago
"Inhumane" seems like a pretty strong term for some pixel people in a game. However, I agree it that it would be nice to do more with them pick them up and switch bassinets at least.

Last night my sim had twins. I was expecting one baby however and had the baby room set up for one. I gave them the bassinet from ROM. When she had 2 babies instead, the other magically went into it's own bassinet and it was a base game one so now my room doesn't match and I can't pick up the baby or switch the bassinet out. :/

As someone else mentioned though, if they "free the babies" then I'd like to see them take precautions and only let our sims place them on more baby items they add (like a play mat or play pen) and not just drop them on the bathroom floor. I remember my sims in TS3 just dropping them anywhere they stood if they got a better idea, like going on a swing. I've had them left on bathroom floors, next to broken kitchen appliances and even out in the snow, (with snow depth so I had to use my baby sim's plumbob to actually track down the baby). Heck, I've even seen them placed on the floor BESIDE the crib. If this is the kind of thing I will get in TS4 then NO THANKS. How they are treated now vs TS3 is probably more "humane"!
astridentanja
5 years ago
"SimsLovinLycan;c-17366747" wrote:
"thecatsred;c-17364589" wrote:
If they make babies a real lifestate and not a generic object, I'd want the sims to be smarter, first.

I don't want to have my sim pick up their baby, walk over to the microwave, drop the baby on the floor next to a pile of dirty clothes, and then go off to stand in front of the fridge while eating their cold in the middle microwave meal despite them having perfectly good leftovers in the fridge.

Here, here. Unless they can make it so that when a sim is holding a Baby, they can't set the kid down on anything but a chair, a crib, or some other piece of designated furniture (play mats, playpens, baby swings, whatever), it's probably better that they're stuck to the crib. My sims getting ADD and dropping the kid on the floor to go play a game or whatever was incredibly annoying in TS2, and I've heard of people having that problem in TS3 too (maybe it was fixed eventrually or not as frequent as TS2, but it did happen). Unless the floor baby problem can be fixed once and for all, crib babies are really the best we can hope for with this game...

In Sims 3 as long as there's a crib on the lot, the sims are determined to put the baby in it (they'll even do that first thing when you drop a baby there yourself). They even ignore their next task to do so (it will have to wait in its upper left corner till baby's in bed). So there is really no excuse other than 'that is a lot of work folks' to not implement it. And I suspect that was the very and the only reason.
"Camkat;c-17367322" wrote:
"Inhumane" seems like a pretty strong term for some pixel people in a game. However, I agree it that it would be nice to do more with them pick them up and switch bassinets at least.

Last night my sim had twins. I was expecting one baby however and had the baby room set up for one. I gave them the bassinet from ROM. When she had 2 babies instead, the other magically went into it's own bassinet and it was a base game one so now my room doesn't match and I can't pick up the baby or switch the bassinet out. :/

As someone else mentioned though, if they "free the babies" then I'd like to see them take precautions and only let our sims place them on either more baby items they add (like a play mat or play pen) and not just drop them on the bathroom floor. I remember my sims in TS3 just dropping them anywhere they stood if they got a better idea, like going on a swing. I've had them left on bathroom floors, next to broken kitchen appliances and even out in the snow, (with snow depth so I had to use my baby sim's plumbob to actually track down the baby). Heck, I've even seen them placed on the floor BESIDE the crib. If this is the kind of thing I will get in TS4 then NO THANKS. How they are treated now vs TS3 is probably more "humane"!

The only occasion where sims in 3 put a baby on the floor - when there's a crib - is after using the cleaning table (from the Store). And even then, when you do nothing and wait a few seconds, also then will they pick it up and put it in its crib anyway. How do I know? Because we had this discussion here a couple of times and I tested it.
Peapod79
New Spectator
5 years ago
"JoAnne65;c-17367533" wrote:

The only occasion where sims in 3 put a baby on the floor - when there's a crib - is after using the cleaning table (from the Store). And even then, when you do nothing and wait a few seconds, also then will they pick it up and put it in its crib anyway. How do I know? Because we had this discussion here a couple of times and I tested it.

Interesting. That was not my experience. Like I'd mentioned, I've found the baby on the floor beside the crib. *hmmm* to be fair though, oftentimes it was house guests picking up the baby and just dropping it where ever, I think the actual parents tried a little harder. It still happened often enough (and yes I always had cribs) for me to remember this being a prominent issue for me at the time.