If/when we get witches what kind do you want?

I would love a witches pack inspired by American Horror Story Coven!! I loved that season and I just love the aesthetic.

I’d like to see both witches born with natural magic abilities and witches that have to learn them, but in order for them to do so they mist be invited by a born witch to a coven to study.
Covens will be very important and I very much hope they are added, as well as coven rivals.

Good and evil witches are very important.

All spells should have some type of cost, especially if it’s the first time the witch has done the spell. If a witch continually tries to perform wry hard spells without having the proper rank and or energy it would kill them.

Good witches should only perform magic if it is considered an unselfish spell, such as helping friends, familes, neighbors and plants, or undoing a bad witches evil spell. If they perform selfish spells they could get in trouble with the good witches counsel, and even be exiled. (A witch alone with no coven,
Sort of like a neatrul witch from sims 3, this witch could be lured to the dark side so good witches may try and destroy the witch before that can happen)

Evil sims on the other hand only perform selfish or evil spells, like wealth, good looks, power and or spells that harm their enemies, like putting a sim into a deep sleep,
Making a sim ugly or turning a sim into a frog,
changing the weather, wilting plants. The
more evil spells they perform the stronger they become and rise among the ranks of the evil witches. The can also try and lure lone witches to their side to move up the ranks faster.

I have stated several times what I'd like to see in a witch pack, now I'll do it the other way around and state what I don't want:

- Only good vs. evil witches like in TS2. As others have said, there should be several branches, and casting a spell from one branch shouldn't automatically reduce your power in other branches.
- A "witch form". The dark form for vampires makes sense, so does the human disguise for aliens (although I wish I could turn it off for some of them), but I really don't want to have to double-customise every single outfit for witches as well. If anything, give them one special outfit category for witch clothes, and that's it.
- Related to the above, if witches get a distinct outfit category, I don't want the game to force only one style on us like TS2 did with the stereotypical witch outfits. Not all witches are the same.
- Magic as a skill rather than a life state. I understand the thought behind this idea, but with sims constantly trying out new things autonomously, everyone would be a witch before you know it, and there would be no way to "unwitch" them. It annoys me when my sims acquire skills I don't want them to have, like a supposedly technophobe grandpa suddenly becoming an avid video gamer when I'm not looking.
- Magic based on emotions. If there are several branches, then yeah, this could be one of them, but please not all of them! I'm already having a hard time fulfilling my sims' emotional whims with emotions being so fickle and sims so unwilling to do what I tell them, I don't want to have to try seven times to get them to cast the right spell.
- Witches being shamed for what they are, like aliens. Of course, there could be a "Dislikes Magic" trait or something similar to make some sims averse to witches, but it shouldn't be the general attitude among non-witch sims. On the other hand, I also don't want this "positive discrimination" thing that is going on with vampires, with everyone wanting to research vampires on the computer all the time.

There's probably more, but this is all that comes to mind right now.

As many as possible! Customization is key!


When it comes to sorcery, I really want meaningful spells and potions that have great opportunity to really shift what you can do with the game. Since TS4 isn't very dark, supernatural packs like witches and vampires offer the perfect opportunity to add many dark elements where they otherwise wouldn't have fitted. Spells that induce permanent sleep, changes in personality, changes in relationships, memory-altering spells (sims can forget that they have ever met a sim, including family; sims can forget skills and forget to go to work and thus get demoted/fired etc) and so on, are great for creating meaningful stories and drama with some edge.

We have WAY too many ways to influence emotions, so instead of a "make flirty" spell, there should be a "love spell" that makes a sim fall in love with the first sim they see, or a "withered spell" that makes a sim incapable of becoming flirty and forming romantic relationships etc. Instead of making a sim embarrassed, a spell can make a sim not want to speak to anyone and run away and hide when sims try to interact with them; there can be a spell that makes a sim super focused and thus increases the rate at which they learn all skills for a short period of time, or the opposite where they cannot learn any new skills, but for a much longer period of time.

I like the idea of spells have side-effects, or certain sacrifices to acquire certain spells/types of magic. For example, if a sim wishes to pursue the sorcery of bending fire, the sim must first set an object on fire manually ; if a sim wishes to partake in evil magic, they must first visit the Nether Realm etc. Spells have a chance of backfiring and thus the sim casts the spell on him/herself; a spell that gives great power can be followed by a vulnerable period. This delicate balance would add many more layers of depth to the game. Witches having weaknesses like vampires, would also tie in with having to sacrifice things for more power and creating more detailed characters.

Like vampires, there could be an energy bar that drains as the witch uses magic and certain spells need large amounts of energy, thus the witch will have to prepare for the spell for a long time and then have to recover from the spell for one to three days to replenish their energy. During this low-energy time, witches are vulnerable and thus it is the perfect time for other sorcerers to attack them to steal powers, win duels, successfully turn them into an object/small animal and capture them (ex. putting the item/animal into their inventory and then placing them in an enchanted cage that the witch cannot escape from after the turning spell wears off) and to "witch-hunt" them by "curing" them so they are no longer occult (as in vampires).
PS: a spell that banishes a sim to never be able to leave a certain lot, would be super fun. Imagine a sim that was a bit TOO obsessed with the fitness skill, so a witch banished him to never be able to leave the gym lot as long as he lives. Or a witch loved a sim who's heart belonged to another - the sim was thus banished to forever roam the park in lonely agony.

Good vs Evil has always been a big theme in sorcery, thus there should be many ways that sims can help others through magic, and also many evil spells that wreck havoc and can even have a sim be hunted down by other witches/sims to cure them of their powers so as to stop them. Introducing challenge would be very fun, as there is no consequence for an evil vampire being evil - if being evil can attract trouble, that would be great to fight them off and feel truly powerful.
That being said, there should be ways to protect yourself from having to start all over again multiple times. Binding your powers to objects like books, jewelry boxes and urns, is a good way to ensure that sims can retrieve their powers from it after being attacked. These items can be destroyed though, so if a hunter finds and destroys them as well as curing you, it's back to square one.

Lastly, to make supernaturals more dynamic, rivalries and alliances between covens and different occults, would be fun. If witches and vampires naturally don't like each other, for example, it could create many story-telling opportunities and challenges to overcome this. Supernaturals should also integrate with each other - there should be spells that witches can cast for vampires and there should be a way that vampires can help witches with their spells and potions.

disciplines that each sim would have the most aptitude for etc.

"GrumpyGlowfish;c-16572334" wrote:
I have stated several times what I'd like to see in a witch pack, now I'll do it the other way around and state what I don't want:

- Only good vs. evil witches like in TS2. As others have said, there should be several branches, and casting a spell from one branch shouldn't automatically reduce your power in other branches.
- A "witch form". The dark form for vampires makes sense, so does the human disguise for aliens (although I wish I could turn it off for some of them), but I really don't want to have to double-customise every single outfit for witches as well. If anything, give them one special outfit category for witch clothes, and that's it.
- Related to the above, if witches get a distinct outfit category, I don't want the game to force only one style on us like TS2 did with the stereotypical witch outfits. Not all witches are the same.
- Magic as a skill rather than a life state. I understand the thought behind this idea, but with sims constantly trying out new things autonomously, everyone would be a witch before you know it, and there would be no way to "unwitch" them. It annoys me when my sims acquire skills I don't want them to have, like a supposedly technophobe grandpa suddenly becoming an avid video gamer when I'm not looking.
- Magic based on emotions. If there are several branches, then yeah, this could be one of them, but please not all of them! I'm already having a hard time fulfilling my sims' emotional whims with emotions being so fickle and sims so unwilling to do what I tell them, I don't want to have to try seven times to get them to cast the right spell.
- Witches being shamed for what they are, like aliens. Of course, there could be a "Dislikes Magic" trait or something similar to make some sims averse to witches, but it shouldn't be the general attitude among non-witch sims. On the other hand, I also don't want this "positive discrimination" thing that is going on with vampires, with everyone wanting to research vampires on the computer all the time.

There's probably more, but this is all that comes to mind right now.

Yep, I'm with you, none of these please!

"MasonGamer;c-16570172" wrote:
I want Sorcerers. Witches are far too basic, Sorcerers are far more powerful.

My style is More Once Upon a Time, Fantasy meets Modern.

I want Magic to be handled with Style
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO3L34shwpI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcYA0QdpkZ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sDQ9XKb1IY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeUjiRymLKc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1A7H4oYr9Q&t=983s

Transformations
https://orig00.deviantart.net/9475/f/2016/104/b/e/giphy_2_by_mphattyboi-d9ywoy2.gif

Heart Rip - in a way it's sort of like Vampire's Mind Control. You force your hand into the chest of the victim and pluck the heart out like an apple on a tree. does it hurt? Very much! But now you wrest control over their heart. Your will, will overshadow theirs.
https://orig00.deviantart.net/86dd/f/2017/086/2/9/giphy_by_mphattyboi-db3q2qx.gif
https://orig00.deviantart.net/6bb0/f/2017/017/4/6/giphy_1_by_mphattyboi-davrnha.gif
https://orig00.deviantart.net/1e33/f/2016/141/4/d/giphy_by_mphattyboi-da3bkp3.gif

Wands are simply tools that will help so certain powerful spells don't drain you of your energy.

How Parenting could factor into Dealing with your Powerful Children.
Cora the Queen of Hearts Deals with Her daughters, Regina the Evil Queen and Zelena the Wicked Witch of the West
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaawFtqDMXY

Once upon a time really is the worst show I've ever seen......... I hope they won't use that as their inspiration lol

"Movotti;c-16570222" wrote:
Aesthetically?

http://digitalspyuk.cdnds.net/16/31/480x240/landscape-1470223890-american-horror-sory-coven-lineup.gif
https://cdn.fashionunfiltered.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/20184725/the-witches.gif
https://38.media.tumblr.com/89f5231bbdaa9f8fc54cd1b1c4e80002/tumblr_ner45tNzyg1s1v3r1o1_500.gif
http://38.media.tumblr.com/df35cf0c27d8d6e0d4eab42d5db82589/tumblr_nbm11nwHY11snusg4o1_500.gif
http://24.media.tumblr.com/61b64e0121e63c6c9a0fc95de7baddfa/tumblr_myw80x5M1R1r8p6hao1_500.gif
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1869/0319/products/art-on-wednesdays-we-wear-black_kat_haynes_tee_571x_crop_center.png?v=1515892693

YES !!! To all of this !

"simscoven88;c-16573249" wrote:

"MasonGamer;c-16570172" wrote:
I want Sorcerers. Witches are far too basic, Sorcerers are far more powerful.

My style is More Once Upon a Time, Fantasy meets Modern.

I want Magic to be handled with Style
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO3L34shwpI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcYA0QdpkZ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sDQ9XKb1IY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeUjiRymLKc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1A7H4oYr9Q&t=983s

Transformations
https://orig00.deviantart.net/9475/f/2016/104/b/e/giphy_2_by_mphattyboi-d9ywoy2.gif

Heart Rip - in a way it's sort of like Vampire's Mind Control. You force your hand into the chest of the victim and pluck the heart out like an apple on a tree. does it hurt? Very much! But now you wrest control over their heart. Your will, will overshadow theirs.
https://orig00.deviantart.net/86dd/f/2017/086/2/9/giphy_by_mphattyboi-db3q2qx.gif
https://orig00.deviantart.net/6bb0/f/2017/017/4/6/giphy_1_by_mphattyboi-davrnha.gif
https://orig00.deviantart.net/1e33/f/2016/141/4/d/giphy_by_mphattyboi-da3bkp3.gif

Wands are simply tools that will help so certain powerful spells don't drain you of your energy.

How Parenting could factor into Dealing with your Powerful Children.
Cora the Queen of Hearts Deals with Her daughters, Regina the Evil Queen and Zelena the Wicked Witch of the West
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaawFtqDMXY

Once upon a time really is the worst show I've ever seen......... I hope they won't use that as their inspiration lol

Don't get me wrong the plot aggravated even me at some points, It went down hill after a few seasons. But I do love the characters, could be worse tho. I actually enjoyed the CGI through Seasons 1-4
My point is the Concept of Magic, Once Upon a Time had a better concept, than Harry Potter, More complex, and it seemed more natural and fluid. That's why I push it so hard.

"GrumpyGlowfish;c-16572334" wrote:
I have stated several times what I'd like to see in a witch pack, now I'll do it the other way around and state what I don't want:

- Only good vs. evil witches like in TS2. As others have said, there should be several branches, and casting a spell from one branch shouldn't automatically reduce your power in other branches.
- A "witch form". The dark form for vampires makes sense, so does the human disguise for aliens (although I wish I could turn it off for some of them), but I really don't want to have to double-customise every single outfit for witches as well. If anything, give them one special outfit category for witch clothes, and that's it.
- Related to the above, if witches get a distinct outfit category, I don't want the game to force only one style on us like TS2 did with the stereotypical witch outfits. Not all witches are the same.
- Magic as a skill rather than a life state. I understand the thought behind this idea, but with sims constantly trying out new things autonomously, everyone would be a witch before you know it, and there would be no way to "unwitch" them. It annoys me when my sims acquire skills I don't want them to have, like a supposedly technophobe grandpa suddenly becoming an avid video gamer when I'm not looking.
- Magic based on emotions. If there are several branches, then yeah, this could be one of them, but please not all of them! I'm already having a hard time fulfilling my sims' emotional whims with emotions being so fickle and sims so unwilling to do what I tell them, I don't want to have to try seven times to get them to cast the right spell.
- Witches being shamed for what they are, like aliens. Of course, there could be a "Dislikes Magic" trait or something similar to make some sims averse to witches, but it shouldn't be the general attitude among non-witch sims. On the other hand, I also don't want this "positive discrimination" thing that is going on with vampires, with everyone wanting to research vampires on the computer all the time.

I agree how does Good = Light Magic, and Evil = Dark Magic?
A true evil Sorcerer would know how to utilize Love as a weapon.
and a Good Sorcerer would know how to use dark magic to help.

I hope Magic is the Life State, and if a Human does pick up a magical object it won't work the way it would for a Sorcerer.

except, Emotions, if done correctly. I don't want to see: If your Sad your Water Spells will be powerful, if your Angry Fire will be powerful. Or "Your sim can't perform Magic right now because they're too Sad/Angry" Like Since when?

I believe some emotions could absolutely grant Success and Power.

How I would do it:

Successful Emotions
Focused, Inspired, Energized, Confident

Fair Emotions
Fine, Happy

Distracted emotions - Sim is distracted, Success rates are 50/50
Flirty, Playful, Uncomfortable

Weakest - When It comes to Magic you have to Will it, If you're heart isn't in it, it won't happen. Sim can still cast the spell, but not effectively.
Sad, Embarrassed, Tense

Extremely Powerful, But Risky
Anger - have you ever acted out of rage? Sim is at their Most powerful, but also Most vulnerable. Mistakes will be made, and someone, especially the sim themselves, could get hurt.

I hated that all sims reacted to magic the same way, in the Sims 3, I remember how disturbed a Sim looked when a witch was placing a good luck charm on them.

Hoping for more traits, I think Sims who are Geeks, Bookworms, Adventurous, Brave, won't fear Life States, and may even want to befriend them.

A mix of old fashion gothic flair and modern gothic twist with maybe a little fantastical in a more serious tone.

So like The Witch + AHS: Coven + a sprinkle of GoT. Sims 4 can't be too dark but I want spell options to push the boundaries.

Also!! I need some frog decor. Plz let me turn sims into frogs again.