Title says it all, really. I was just wondering if I'm alone in my frustrations or if anyone is having the same problems. At first I was really excited about its inclusion and the possibilities, especially after that trait update a while back, but....Not only does it feel like it's lacking in depth with just completely random moodlets (Maybe it was silly of me, but I thought my high maintenance single college-going mom sim that's barely scraping by and has a wild toddler and is currently living off of mostly quick meals would have plenty to be stressed about, aside from randomly getting upset for hours about getting her behind splashed with toilet water) but I think my biggest gripe so far is the completely random "WORST DAY EVER" moodlet. I've had my same sim die from cardiac explosion three times now because someone thought it was a good idea to have a random +5 angry moodlet that lasts for 8 hours I can't seem to do anything about 😭 other than try and bury it in positive moodlets. Calming her down at a mirror, cold showers, none of it is doing anything to even ease the moodlet a little and make it last a shorter amount of time, and I can't tell if that's a bug/oversight or meant to be a feature. :/I feel like this would be one thing if it was actually triggered by something. The first time it happened her house was super dirty and her toddler was throwing a tantrum and her stove broke, so I thought that was it and it would have been a welcome challenge in that case if more could actually be done to counter it. But now that she's died twice in a spotless home after perfectly lovely mornings? I'm tired. 🥺 Sorry for the short rant, I was just so excited! And I want more challenge in the game and that's why I was excited, but this just feels excessive. Am I alone in feeling like this, or are others disappointed/having their own misadventures with the trait?

I am not particularly disappointed because I saw some of the early feedback and formed my expectations from it. I dare say it works as a "melodramatic" trait as well, except it is a type of maintenance since it can be abaited by wellness in particular.*shrug* I can get your annoyance with the emotion deaths, but I have taken it to be more a challenge trait than necessarily a personality one and the situation you mentioned seems to be fairly challenging as it is. So I am not 100% what you wanted. You have a Sim that now struggles because even basic actions can give it bad moodlets and have it in a stressful situation on top of that. Did you want it to compound issues, because it kind of sounds like it did with all those emotion deaths.

"Calico45;c-17974301" wrote:I am not particularly disappointed because I saw some of the early feedback and formed my expectations from it. I dare say it works as a "melodramatic" trait as well, except it is a type of maintenance since it can be abaited by wellness in particular.*shrug* I can get your annoyance with the emotion deaths, but I have taken it to be more a challenge trait than necessarily a personality one and the situation you mentioned seems to be fairly challenging as it is. So I am not 100% what you wanted. You have a Sim that now struggles because even basic actions can give it bad moodlets and have it in a stressful situation on top of that. Did you want it to compound issues, because it kind of sounds like it did with all those emotion deaths.As I mentioned in the post, I do love challenge. Really I suppose my biggest issue is just the last one I mentioned. I cannot stress enough that the last 2 times she's died there's been no issues previous to the angry moodlet. I've seen someone say it's tied to uncomfortable moodlets, but there weren't any, not even other negative ones, just a bunch of positives. The angry one is just strong enough to send her through the roof, and It's just gotten triggered around the same time each day. Maybe its a bug, in which case I'll eat my words! But if my sim can't do anything to calm down, and if a bunch of positive moodlets aren't necessarily enough to fix it (she died last time after I got her feeling confident, like a good hour in game later), and there's nothing to fix or improve to make her feel better and avoid dying, it starts feeling less like a challenge and more like my sim is just doomed, y'know? (which I'd maybe just roll with if I hadn't made her specifically to play around with the new update. A trait that's just a waiting death sentence doesn't sound fun though.)Other than that though, I could probably live with everything else and enjoy it for what it is, even if I wish there was a little more depth.

"Cruelhumanbean;c-17974306" wrote:"Calico45;c-17974301" wrote:I am not particularly disappointed because I saw some of the early feedback and formed my expectations from it. I dare say it works as a "melodramatic" trait as well, except it is a type of maintenance since it can be abaited by wellness in particular.*shrug* I can get your annoyance with the emotion deaths, but I have taken it to be more a challenge trait than necessarily a personality one and the situation you mentioned seems to be fairly challenging as it is. So I am not 100% what you wanted. You have a Sim that now struggles because even basic actions can give it bad moodlets and have it in a stressful situation on top of that. Did you want it to compound issues, because it kind of sounds like it did with all those emotion deaths.As I mentioned in the post, I do love challenge. Really I suppose my biggest issue is just the last one I mentioned. I cannot stress enough that the last 2 times she's died there's been no issues previous to the angry moodlet. I've seen someone say it's tied to uncomfortable moodlets, but there weren't any, not even other negative ones, just a bunch of positives. The angry one is just strong enough to send her through the roof, and It's just gotten triggered around the same time each day. Maybe its a bug, in which case I'll eat my words! But if my sim can't do anything to calm down, and if a bunch of positive moodlets aren't necessarily enough to fix it (she died last time after I got her feeling confident, like a good hour in game later), and there's nothing to fix or improve to make her feel better and avoid dying, it starts feeling less like a challenge and more like my sim is just doomed, y'know? (which I'd maybe just roll with if I hadn't made her specifically to play around with the new update. A trait that's just a waiting death sentence doesn't sound fun though.)Other than that though, I could probably live with everything else and enjoy it for what it is, even if I wish there was a little more depth.you have to use spa stuff it takes care of it and makes it go away it was made for your sims to have a reason to use it you know bath soaks and the like if you don't like it I think you should pick another trait :) happy simming

What @comicsforlife said, and what I mentioned earlier. You have to do wellness activities to keep a high maintenance Sim in check. They have to be pampered and that is the challenge.

"comicsforlife;c-17974308" wrote:you have to use spa stuff it takes care of it and makes it go away it was made for your sims to have a reason to use it you know bath soaks and the like if you don't like it I think you should pick another trait :) happy simming "Calico45;c-17974316" wrote:What @comicsforlife said, and what I mentioned earlier. You have to do wellness activities to keep a high maintenance Sim in check. They have to be pampered and that is the challenge.I do appreciate the suggestion but unfortunately I was using spa day things to no avail ? meditation hadn't worked, yoga hadn't worked, the soaks and a face mask didn't work, whatever I could fit in before each incident (and she had just had a good spa day the day before) If those things SHOULD be working to fix it though, then maybe it was just absolutely a bug.At the end of the day, I used MCCC to prevent her from dying a fourth time and I prefer a challenge I have to adjust occasionally than no challenge at all, so I'm good. I was mainly just wanting to see how other people felt about it or if they were having the same issue with that particular moodlet ?

Is anyone else disappointed with the High Maintenance trait?

cruelhumanbean
4 years ago
@comicsforlife

No mood mods currently, I've pretty much removed everything other than MCCC and my skin & details/eyelashes/body presets. I also just mentioned the spa day the day before to express that she hasn't gone without pampering up until the moment she snapped, but I did try each time I reloaded the game to partake in whatever I could think of that should logically ease the burden, including spa day things.

It's a little late here so I need to sleep but tomorrow I'll probably pop in game and play until I get the moodlet again and see if it's still just as hopeless. If it is, I'll give it a shot without any mods or cc to see if that's the issue. Even if I can just cheat the moodlet away I'd definitely prefer to be able to manage it through gameplay, and if I've found a bug I'd like to do what I can to squash it for anyone that might not be able to deal with it as easily. Probably would have lost my mind if I was on console LOL
comicsforever
4 years ago
"Cruelhumanbean;c-17974349" wrote:
@comicsforlife

No mood mods currently, I've pretty much removed everything other than MCCC and my skin & details/eyelashes/body presets. I also just mentioned the spa day the day before to express that she hasn't gone without pampering up until the moment she snapped, but I did try each time I reloaded the game to partake in whatever I could think of that should logically ease the burden, including spa day things.

It's a little late here so I need to sleep but tomorrow I'll probably pop in game and play until I get the moodlet again and see if it's still just as hopeless. If it is, I'll give it a shot without any mods or cc to see if that's the issue. Even if I can just cheat the moodlet away I'd definitely prefer to be able to manage it through gameplay, and if I've found a bug I'd like to do what I can to squash it for anyone that might not be able to deal with it as easily. Probably would have lost my mind if I was on console LOL

it could be your cc cas was updated or mcc it is not supported by the game developers and can cause issues please try it with
out them
wahini2024
4 years ago
I had a male sim age up from teen and gave him the high maintenance trait. We then settled him into an apartment in Myshuno. He got water back splash from going to the bathroom and then the sink broke. I had him repair it and the worst day ever moodlet appeared. He died shortly after of cardiac explosion.
Very annoying.
83bienchen
Seasoned Novice
4 years ago
As much as everyone here seems to love that trait, from a modder's perspective I can say the following:
The worst day ever buff is not classed as an angry buff properly, so @Cruelhumanbean is not imagining things there and also is not sitting on a bad mod. All the other buffs for the trait are properly classed.
The cooldowns for the buffs to reappear are very short so this is actually quite a challenging trait by design. Also, there is no such thing as the worst day ever buff being tied to the Sim having a bad emotion when it strikes. I personally would like it better if it were.
JanuaryGarnet08
New Spectator
4 years ago
Well, I guess this is getting nerfed in the next patch. ? I knew having something random and unpredictable in the game was too good to last. It’s possible to mod out emotional death with MCCC and maybe smaller mods so that those of us who actually enjoy a challenge and some spontaneity can keep this in our game. I know this where you tell me “they don’t have to nerf it just tune It down a bit” but we all know that is just a throwaway line, because if they “adjust the tuning” it will just disappear and end up being another meaningless wishy washy trait. Every single time we get something that could add the slightest element of challenge or chaos the complaints start. *Sigh* I guess there is no hope for TS4 to ever be anything other than a simplistic consistently happy non-challenging lump of marshmallow fluff. ? I mean the trait is in fact named High Maintenance.
83bienchen
Seasoned Novice
4 years ago
I actually don't ask them to nerf it. I will do some minor adjustments for my own use, but as I said - most of it is probably by design (except for - maybe -the worst day ever tuning) so I don't see why they should nerf it.
Babykittyjade
Rising Observer
4 years ago
"Pamtastic72;c-17974537" wrote:
Well, I guess this is getting nerfed in the next patch. ? I knew have something random and unpredictable in the game was too good to last. It’s possible to mod out emotional death with MCCC and maybe smaller mods so that those of us who actually enjoy a challenge and some spontaneity can keep this in our game. I know this where you tell me “they don’t have to nerf it just tune It down a bit” but we all know that is just a throwaway line, because if they “adjust the tuning” it will just disappear and end up being another meaningless wishy washy trait. Every single time we get something that could add the slightest element of challenge or chaos the complaints start. *Sigh* I guess there is no hope for TS4 to ever be anything other than a simplistic consistently happy non-challenging lump of marshmallow fluff. ? I mean the trait is in fact named High Maintenance.

Same thing happened to my beloved jealous trait??? it's a useless trait now after "toning it down"
There is no way to have individuality or unpredictability or challenges without a few extremes.
I get a bit upset everytime I see that trait in CAS because it doesn't do anything anymore. And it was one of my top favorites ???
JanuaryGarnet08
New Spectator
4 years ago
"Babykittyjade;c-17974562" wrote:
"Pamtastic72;c-17974537" wrote:
Well, I guess this is getting nerfed in the next patch. ? I knew having something random and unpredictable in the game was too good to last. It’s possible to mod out emotional death with MCCC and maybe smaller mods so that those of us who actually enjoy a challenge and some spontaneity can keep this in our game. I know this where you tell me “they don’t have to nerf it just tune It down a bit” but we all know that is just a throwaway line, because if they “adjust the tuning” it will just disappear and end up being another meaningless wishy washy trait. Every single time we get something that could add the slightest element of challenge or chaos the complaints start. *Sigh* I guess there is no hope for TS4 to ever be anything other than a simplistic consistently happy non-challenging lump of marshmallow fluff. ? I mean the trait is in fact named High Maintenance.

Same thing happened to my beloved jealous trait??? it's a useless trait now after "toning it down"
There is no way to have individuality or unpredictability or challenges without a few extremes.
I get a bit upset everytime I see that trait in CAS because it doesn't do anything anymore. And it was one of my top favorites ???

"83bienchen;c-17974556" wrote:
I actually don't ask them to nerf it. I will do some minor adjustments for my own use, but as I said - most of it is probably by design (except for - maybe -the worst day ever tuning) so I don't see why they should nerf it.

As I said in my original statement and as @Babykittyjade points out “toning it down” always results in killing it no matter what it is, a trait, vampires, weather related deaths, death by fire, death by Murphy bed, alien abductions etc. if they “tone it down” is just plain gone period.

ETA: I get you @83bienchen said your toning it for your game and that’s great. But I see between the lines of OP’s posts and frankly I’m not super convinced about the honest regarding emotion boosting mods not being used, especially after hanging out on a couple of Discords lately. People on there saying they’re playing vanilla then getting called out for having a ton of mods ?.
83bienchen
Seasoned Novice
4 years ago
You're probably right.
Loanet
Rising Scout
4 years ago
'High Maintanance' with its mood swings sounds more like 'bipolar'

Even so, every time something gets nerfed in Sims 4, it basically knocks it down to 'nothing'. There's no middle ground.