LGR Nifty Knitting Review

"telmarina;c-17595866" wrote:

"SimmerGeorge;c-17595853" wrote:

"telmarina;c-17595449" wrote:
I love LGR's reviews. He's funny. But i don't always agree with him. And this is one of this times...

I think NK has more in it than most of the other stuff packs. A skill, an aspiration, a new way of selling crafts, a new radio station with new animations, bb and a lot of cas (even most being connected to the skill).

It looks like LGR doesn't like sims 4 and he sounds tired. But it was actually the first time that i think he wasn't fair. Is knitting niche? Well most of the skills are. Does looking at your sim knitting is boring? Well looking at him cooking or fishing or dj'ing or programing is also boring. It is if you concentrate in the skill and you don't integrate it into a story...

Also like someone said before sims 4 doesn't have a store like 3 had. So, it's normal to have 17 stuff packs by now. Premium objects in the store were also niche, expensive and there were tons of it...

And this is coming from someone that didn't vote in knitting. I'ld prefer happy haunts everyday.

@telmarina this is exactly what I meant with seeing things from an outsiders perspective.

This is a DLC about knitting. It is simply about this one skill and it had like 3 animations in it. Imagine if DJing or fishing all had there own DLC...
Also it's not about quantity, it's the quality. The aspiration is again just a walkthrough for the pack and not an actual aspiration.
But these are just the standards we have as a community. We do buy DLCs dedicated just to a single skill with 3 animations and we even defend them. Those are the standards of a Simmer. If you look at any other game community you will see they all laugh at our low standards and our commitment to buying a pack fully dedicated to knitting. Other gamers don't put up with this stuff, just Simmers, and I think this is LGR's point.

Another sign of this is saying that 17 stuff packs are "normal". It doesn't matter if they are just on the store or normal packs 17 is just too many. But Simmers are they only people who will defend a game with 17 stuff packs. An outsider wouldn't and LGR wouldn't.
But these are the times we live in. Defending EA for delivering a stuff pack with 3 animations a skill and 2466 recolours of the same item.

Of course im comparing within the sims standards. We never had any other game as the sims. Let's hope for some competition and our standards may change.

I just don't understand how it is a disapointment now but it wasn't 10 years ago when the store was way worse... talk about niche, few and often bugged interactions and very expensive objects... Does LGR gets tired of reviewing 4's stuff packs? Imagine if he was to review the whole 3's store! That is basically what he's doing now, revoewing the whole 4's 'store'.
i actually think it got better now. And that's why i find it better than normal to have 17 stuff packs.

I can't talk about outside of the sims cause i don't play anything else. Haven't for 20 years. I did played before but got happily stuck with the sims :) I don't care about how other gamers look at us though. Other games imo have nothing to do with the sims.

@telmarina they don't but they are consumers in the same industry and don't put up with shit EA and other companies do, at least a good number of them.
Also LGR did actually review a lot of the Sims 3 store content and he found it equally off-putting and overpriced.
Now as for the 17 whole stuff packs I still think it isn't normal, especially in a game notorious for missing or shallow features as voiced by the community.
When there are no deep personalities, no cars, object babies etc etc for 6 years already! but they really release a freaking knitting pack then I agree with LGR, the game needs other things

"SimmerGeorge;c-17595885" wrote:

"telmarina;c-17595866" wrote:

"SimmerGeorge;c-17595853" wrote:

"telmarina;c-17595449" wrote:
I love LGR's reviews. He's funny. But i don't always agree with him. And this is one of this times...

I think NK has more in it than most of the other stuff packs. A skill, an aspiration, a new way of selling crafts, a new radio station with new animations, bb and a lot of cas (even most being connected to the skill).

It looks like LGR doesn't like sims 4 and he sounds tired. But it was actually the first time that i think he wasn't fair. Is knitting niche? Well most of the skills are. Does looking at your sim knitting is boring? Well looking at him cooking or fishing or dj'ing or programing is also boring. It is if you concentrate in the skill and you don't integrate it into a story...

Also like someone said before sims 4 doesn't have a store like 3 had. So, it's normal to have 17 stuff packs by now. Premium objects in the store were also niche, expensive and there were tons of it...

And this is coming from someone that didn't vote in knitting. I'ld prefer happy haunts everyday.

@telmarina this is exactly what I meant with seeing things from an outsiders perspective.

This is a DLC about knitting. It is simply about this one skill and it had like 3 animations in it. Imagine if DJing or fishing all had there own DLC...
Also it's not about quantity, it's the quality. The aspiration is again just a walkthrough for the pack and not an actual aspiration.
But these are just the standards we have as a community. We do buy DLCs dedicated just to a single skill with 3 animations and we even defend them. Those are the standards of a Simmer. If you look at any other game community you will see they all laugh at our low standards and our commitment to buying a pack fully dedicated to knitting. Other gamers don't put up with this stuff, just Simmers, and I think this is LGR's point.

Another sign of this is saying that 17 stuff packs are "normal". It doesn't matter if they are just on the store or normal packs 17 is just too many. But Simmers are they only people who will defend a game with 17 stuff packs. An outsider wouldn't and LGR wouldn't.
But these are the times we live in. Defending EA for delivering a stuff pack with 3 animations a skill and 2466 recolours of the same item.

Of course im comparing within the sims standards. We never had any other game as the sims. Let's hope for some competition and our standards may change.

I just don't understand how it is a disapointment now but it wasn't 10 years ago when the store was way worse... talk about niche, few and often bugged interactions and very expensive objects... Does LGR gets tired of reviewing 4's stuff packs? Imagine if he was to review the whole 3's store! That is basically what he's doing now, revoewing the whole 4's 'store'.
i actually think it got better now. And that's why i find it better than normal to have 17 stuff packs.

I can't talk about outside of the sims cause i don't play anything else. Haven't for 20 years. I did played before but got happily stuck with the sims :) I don't care about how other gamers look at us though. Other games imo have nothing to do with the sims.

@telmarina they don't but they are consumers in the same industry and don't put up with ???? EA and other companies do, at least a good number of them.
Also LGR did actually review a lot of the Sims 3 store content and he found it equally off-putting and overpriced.
Now as for the 17 whole stuff packs I still think it isn't normal, especially in a game notorious for missing or shallow features as voiced by the community.
When there are no deep personalities, no cars, object babies etc etc for 6 years already! but they really release a freaking knitting pack then I agree with LGR, the game needs other things

Oh i sure agree with you! Don't think im not critical of sims 4. I am! But that goes with what i said before. This is more of a review of someone that doesn't like how sims 4 is going than with specifically being a pack way worse than the others (within sims 4 spectrum).

"telmarina;c-17595887" wrote:

Oh i sure agree with you! Don't think im not critical of sims 4. I am! But that goes with what i said before. This is more of a review of someone that doesn't like how sims 4 is going than with specifically being a pack way worse than the others (within sims 4 spectrum).

I got that impression too. Because this was the 17th stuff pack for a game that has been going on for 6 years I think he was a bit more critical. I also think that the total amount of DLC for this game is starting to become too much, I probably would have kept that for a separate video though.

I agree with LGR this pack is definitely a "been there, done that" where you probably wouldn't go back and do knitting for a while after you've completed everything. There is no dept to the knitting at all like I would of really loved if you could set your own prices for plopsey and then people would complain about how you are over charging. I wish that toddlers could be rocked in the chair and children could pretend to be on a rocket ship or something similar to the what the sims 3 kids did on the couch. This rocking chair has one or two purposes with one or two styles. The knitting is one dimensional and doesn't offer anymore game play once you unlock all of the items.

I could see how some might like it but I for one need more like this could of totally been added to Seasons.

I too think the sims 4 has over-stayed it's welcome.... at least for me. And not because the sims 4 is 6 years old, but because of what we've had to accept as a sims game for that duration. Right out of the gate, on day 1 of release, sims 4 was lacking in features and unwelcome changes. No pools, toddlers, cars, no open world.... and packed with loading screens. Add to that, 6 years later, we are still lacking even some very basic options such as a color wheel. Matching furniture and decor in sims 4 is often times a frustration. I couldn't count the times I simply clicked out of the game thinking... OMG forget it, i'll figure it out later.

It took 2 years to get toddlers, 5 to get better stairs, and still we have babies being less interactive than the stereo. We're probably better off just getting a cat than a baby. The packs are watered down, and (IMO) over-priced. And the sims (characters) overall have better interactions with the objects than they do with each other. Married couples don't cuddle, hold hands, spoon each other to sleep, nothing. There's just absolutely nothing special to mention about the interactions of married sims.

Then there's the game's core ideas that simply don't make sense. A doctor has to go through the song and dance of career level building to become a doctor only to not be able to open a doctor's office when completed. A sim doesn't have to complete career levels to become a vet but can open a vet clinic. A chef can't work at their own restaurant. The list goes on. The game often just doesn't make logical sense.

Wishing for the end of sims 4 however could very well walk us all down a more frustrating path. As we know, sims 4 was originally designed for online play. EA's massive failure with Sim City forced them to back-pedal sims 4 into what we got on day 1.... communities being super small and load screens to get to the house next door, community park, etc.

Fast forward 6 years and we learn that nope.... EA (obviously) hasn't given up on the online play idea. They are going full force at trying it again with sims 5. You know what they say.... if at first you don't succeed, try and try again. So simmers, place your bets. What will sims 5 be???? Will it present us with online gameplay of an offline game? Or.... offline gameplay of a newly created online game? The two ideas only sound the same on the surface.

Sims 4 is what it is..... imo... a complete mess. But I don't think sims 5 will be our dream come true either. Though i'm eager, and somewhat excited to learn more about sims 5, at the same time, I have some concerns about the direction EA is taking the sims franchise.

I just don't know what to think at this point.

The tiredness, and frustration in LGR's voice is (IMO) justified. Its been a long 6 years, and for the most part, not always entertaining. We spent the first 1 third of that time fighting to get toddlers back. And now... here we are with the game seeming overcrowded with scripts from what can be argued... too many DLCs. Resulting in a bug infested game that is for some... an unplayable experience. So yea. I understand his tiredness and frustration.

I agree and disagree here. On its own, I disagree with his opinions on Nifty Knitting. It adds to the immersion, provides a much-needed hobby, and has a fun and reasonable unlocking system. It's way better than many of thr other Stuff Packs, which were often super lazy. If more Stuff Packs were like this, I wouldn't nearly be as negative to them as I am now.

In the context of Sims 4 as a whole, I can see where he's coming from. The game is lacking in so many areas even after 6 years, but EA propritizes charging us less meaningful fluff over addressing what we need, deserve, and should have gotten half a decade ago. And this is on top of piecemealing content and charging us more for less. I get that they need time and money to make these important things, but it's gotten ridiculous at this point.

LGR's reviews are fun, always will be, but on some level you just need to know that he pretty much only opens his game to write the reviews, then probably closes it til the next pack comes around. And if there wasn't still so much demand from the sims community, I sincerely doubt he'd still be doing them at all. That's not a criticism, it's just a reality. The problem is that if you do still open your game and still play this, even if you've got a few things you're less content about, then an addition like knitting or whatever comes next, might very well add some fun gameplay to your game. So while the reviews are still super fun to watch, I don't understand ppl waiting for them to decide whether to purchase a pack or not. Just doesn't make a lot of sense. All that being said, I still always look forward to watching them :)

I love LGR reviews generally.
But I feel with ts4 he is complaining about a pack just because it is a stuff pack . I think for a stuff pack this actually contains a lot of gameplay.

"Sindocat;c-17594944" wrote:
I couldn't finish this. His tone is snotty and condescending from the get-go, and I am disinclined to fight through his lousy attitude to sift out any actually useful information.

Is he always like this? Must be a lot of fun at parties.

His info is useful though lol

"crocobaura;c-17594964" wrote:
Didn't we vote on the content and already knew what was going to be in the pack?

Kinda but not really. I'm pretty sure we voted for Arts and Crafts. But then that was whittled down so much we were left with just knitting.