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5 years ago

Lifetyles and Sentiments System... on the fence!


I took a break of two months from the forums and my game after the EL features fisco that almost destroyed my 3 years old save. And that GP Disney Ad, shame. Now that I'm back I'm in shock: a new EP is on the way!

EP10 is like one of my dreams coming true: a traditional asian world! I wanted THIS since day one! I loved Sims 2 and Sims 3 asian worlds the most. I have an asian world at Newcrest thanks to my builds. And more snow! as I have never seen snow, well, I love snowy worlds. OMG kimonos for men! Yes, it is my dreamy EP and I was sure that it was not possible to have... BUT I'm on the fence:

I'm afraid of the Lifetyles and Sentiments System :( maybe I have a post EL NAPS trauma, but if the same team that designed the EL features designed this new system, well, my sims are doomed :'( Worst, I'm also afraid of the pre EP patch: what system is it based on? it will broken it? vampires, fame, spellcasters, clubs????

Don't get me wrong, the feature sounds awesome, great idea! how was the NAPS, the green footprints... I'm afraid of The Sims EL programmers.

EP10 is a symbol, I want it: I feel it was prepared for us to play echoing the olympic games (Tokyo 2020). Somehow this hurts my heart :'( Maybe it will change the game: for good or not. Maybe the best I can do is to wait, and skip for the first time a preorder. Do you feel the same?

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I took a break of two months from the forums and my game after the EL features fisco that almost destroyed my 3 years old save. And that GP Disney Ad, shame. Now that I'm back I'm in shock: a new EP is on the way!

EP10 is like one of my dreams coming true: a traditional asian world! I wanted THIS since day one! I loved Sims 2 and Sims 3 asian worlds the most. I have an asian world at Newcrest thanks to my builds. And more snow! as I have never seen snow, well, I love snowy worlds. OMG kimonos for men! Yes, it is my dreamy EP and I was sure that it was not possible to have... BUT I'm on the fence:

I'm afraid of the Lifetyles and Sentiments System :( maybe I have a post EL NAPS trauma, but if the same team that designed the EL features designed this new system, well, my sims are doomed :'( Worst, I'm also afraid of the pre EP patch: what system is it based on? it will broken it? vampires, fame, spellcasters, clubs????

Don't get me wrong, the feature sounds awesome, great idea! how was the NAPS, the green footprints... I'm afraid of The Sims EL programmers.

EP10 is a symbol, I want it: I feel it was prepared for us to play echoing the olympic games (Tokyo 2020). Somehow this hurts my heart :'( Maybe it will change the game: for good or not. Maybe the best I can do is to wait, and skip for the first time a preorder. Do you feel the same?","body@stringLength":"1410","rawBody":"
I took a break of two months from the forums and my game after the EL features fisco that almost destroyed my 3 years old save. And that GP Disney Ad, shame. Now that I'm back I'm in shock: a new EP is on the way!

EP10 is like one of my dreams coming true: a traditional asian world! I wanted THIS since day one! I loved Sims 2 and Sims 3 asian worlds the most. I have an asian world at Newcrest thanks to my builds. And more snow! as I have never seen snow, well, I love snowy worlds. OMG kimonos for men! Yes, it is my dreamy EP and I was sure that it was not possible to have... BUT I'm on the fence:

I'm afraid of the Lifetyles and Sentiments System :( maybe I have a post EL NAPS trauma, but if the same team that designed the EL features designed this new system, well, my sims are doomed :'( Worst, I'm also afraid of the pre EP patch: what system is it based on? it will broken it? vampires, fame, spellcasters, clubs????

Don't get me wrong, the feature sounds awesome, great idea! how was the NAPS, the green footprints... I'm afraid of The Sims EL programmers.

EP10 is a symbol, I want it: I feel it was prepared for us to play echoing the olympic games (Tokyo 2020). Somehow this hurts my heart :'( Maybe it will change the game: for good or not. Maybe the best I can do is to wait, and skip for the first time a preorder. 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I mean, look at the issues with non-needs based autonomy in the Sims 4. Like NAPs. With the all or nothing approach, part of me wonders if sims might pee themselves or starve to death because they just have to go slap their enemy in the face when he jogs by a few houses away.

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https://i.imgur.com/Sy0hJcJ.png

https://i.imgur.com/15Ka6Jw.png

Video by NS on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vveuLcHO9s&t=225s
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\"Cynna;c-17710471\" wrote:
I was looking forward to the personality changes most of all. However, as with most things with TS4, it seems that the feature is all about telling rather than showing. It's still about moodlets that get overwhelmed by environmental buffs. It's still about checking another information panel in order to find out what's happening. There is nothing natural or intuitive about it as with the older games.

In TS4, personality and feelings continue to be mainly expositional. For once, I'd like to actually see what the game says is happening.

If there is more to the new additions to the personality system than what I observed, the Gurus failed to illustrate or to explain them sufficiently.


This.
All I hear and see is explaining and telling. The UI is telling you what's going on,
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\"EliasVersace;c-17710619\" wrote:
I just saw a video by a French gamechanger (link below) who tested the effects of the new Sentiments on cheating. Two of her two female Sims were married, but one of them was having an affair with Don Lothario. The played Sim walked in on her wife and Don woohoo-ing, and she started crying. There was a Sentiments notification that said she and Don gained a 'festering grudge' sentiment, but she didn't gain an angry sentiment towards her wife. However, afterwards she and Don both got uncomfortable moodlets when they were near each other. So the Sentiments did give some depth, but her main Sim was still able to do romantic interactions with her wife shortly after she was cheated on. I hope they are still tweaking the Sentiments so that it will all work properly after the patch.

https://i.imgur.com/Sy0hJcJ.png

https://i.imgur.com/15Ka6Jw.png

Video by NS on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vveuLcHO9s&t=225s


Thanks. I will check it out... dang. It's in French.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2020-10-31T14:36:48.000Z","lastPublishTime":"2020-10-31T14:36:48.000Z","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:715700/message:715734","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:715735":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:715735","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:715735":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:131344"},"id":"message:715735","revisionNum":1,"uid":715735,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:715700"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:715700"},"subject":"Re: Lifetyles and Sentiments System... on the fence!","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:715735"},"body":"This is what I was looking for:
https://youtu.be/ai3I5Yu53uM

I hope the other sentiments show such evidence.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"112","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2020-11-01T03:33:50.000Z","lastPublishTime":"2020-11-01T03:33:50.000Z","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:715700/message:715735","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"Rank:rank:10":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:10","position":52,"name":"New Spectator","color":"000000","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:25717":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:25717","uid":25717,"login":"alan650","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2009-05-30T23:41:16.000+01:00","confirmEmailStatus":null,"registrationAccessLevel":null,"ssoRegistrationFields":[]},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":null},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:10"},"messagesCount":0,"kudosGivenCount":1016,"kudosReceivedCount":1035,"kudosWeight":1,"ssoId":null,"followersCount":null,"solutionsCount":0,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:25717"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:715736":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:715736","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:715736":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:25717"},"id":"message:715736","revisionNum":1,"uid":715736,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:715700"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:715700"},"subject":"Re: Lifetyles and Sentiments System... on the fence!","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:715736"},"body":"
\"CK213;c-17711253\" wrote:
This is what I was looking for:
https://youtu.be/ai3I5Yu53uM

I hope the other sentiments show such evidence.


This was fantastic!","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"164","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2020-11-01T05:30:36.000Z","lastPublishTime":"2020-11-01T05:30:36.000Z","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:715700/message:715736","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:108304":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:108304","uid":108304,"login":"Harukotyan","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2012-04-08T08:04:25.000+01:00","confirmEmailStatus":null,"registrationAccessLevel":null,"ssoRegistrationFields":[]},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-11.svg"},"rank":null,"messagesCount":-1,"kudosGivenCount":373,"kudosReceivedCount":377,"kudosWeight":1,"ssoId":null,"followersCount":null,"solutionsCount":0,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:108304"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:715737":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:715737","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:715737":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:108304"},"id":"message:715737","revisionNum":1,"uid":715737,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:715700"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:715700"},"subject":"Re: Lifetyles and Sentiments System... on the fence!","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:715737"},"body":"
\"Cynna;c-17710471\" wrote:
I was looking forward to the personality changes most of all. However, as with most things with TS4, it seems that the feature is all about telling rather than showing. It's still about moodlets that get overwhelmed by environmental buffs. It's still about checking another information panel in order to find out what's happening. There is nothing natural or intuitive about it as with the older games.

In TS4, personality and feelings continue to be mainly expositional. For once, I'd like to actually see what the game says is happening.

If there is more to the new additions to the personality system than what I observed, the Gurus failed to illustrate or to explain them sufficiently.


I was seeing other Oshinsims video (not the one above) and she literally said that \"moodbufs and their explanations for this pack are numerous and she was constantly reading them to see how sims feel\". And this made me very suspicious. I feel like sims is somewhat a text rpg now. I do not want to read to understand how sims feel. I want to see it in their actions and whims. But her newest video reassured me a bit. I hope that sentiments will lead to the improvement of sims behavior in the end.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2020-11-01T17:00:35.000Z","lastPublishTime":"2020-11-01T17:00:35.000Z","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:715700/message:715737","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:715738":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:715738","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:715738":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:131344"},"id":"message:715738","revisionNum":1,"uid":715738,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:715700"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:715700"},"subject":"Re: Lifetyles and Sentiments System... on the fence!","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:715738"},"body":"
\"Harukotyan;c-17711739\" wrote:
\"Cynna;c-17710471\" wrote:
I was looking forward to the personality changes most of all. However, as with most things with TS4, it seems that the feature is all about telling rather than showing. It's still about moodlets that get overwhelmed by environmental buffs. It's still about checking another information panel in order to find out what's happening. There is nothing natural or intuitive about it as with the older games.

In TS4, personality and feelings continue to be mainly expositional. For once, I'd like to actually see what the game says is happening.

If there is more to the new additions to the personality system than what I observed, the Gurus failed to illustrate or to explain them sufficiently.


I was seeing other Oshinsims video (not the one above) and she literally said that \"moodbufs and their explanations for this pack are numerous and she was constantly reading them to see how sims feel\". And this made me very suspicious. I feel like sims is somewhat a text rpg now. I do not want to read to understand how sims feel. I want to see it in their actions and whims. But her newest video reassured me a bit. I hope that sentiments will lead to the improvement of sims behavior in the end.


I am willing to bet EA has totally neglected whims with this pack.
Which would be sad, because sims getting whims associated with sentiments would be a powerful combination for game immersion.
I will have whims turned on in hopes I get lucky with a whim that goes well with the active sentiment.

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\"CK213;c-17711795\" wrote:
\"Harukotyan;c-17711739\" wrote:
\"Cynna;c-17710471\" wrote:
I was looking forward to the personality changes most of all. However, as with most things with TS4, it seems that the feature is all about telling rather than showing. It's still about moodlets that get overwhelmed by environmental buffs. It's still about checking another information panel in order to find out what's happening. There is nothing natural or intuitive about it as with the older games.

In TS4, personality and feelings continue to be mainly expositional. For once, I'd like to actually see what the game says is happening.

If there is more to the new additions to the personality system than what I observed, the Gurus failed to illustrate or to explain them sufficiently.


I was seeing other Oshinsims video (not the one above) and she literally said that \"moodbufs and their explanations for this pack are numerous and she was constantly reading them to see how sims feel\". And this made me very suspicious. I feel like sims is somewhat a text rpg now. I do not want to read to understand how sims feel. I want to see it in their actions and whims. But her newest video reassured me a bit. I hope that sentiments will lead to the improvement of sims behavior in the end.


I am willing to bet EA has totally neglected whims with this pack.
Which would be sad, because sims getting whims associated with sentiments would be a powerful combination for game immersion.
I will have whims turned on in hopes I get lucky with a whim that goes well with the active sentiment.



EA stopped adding new whims ages ago. I think it was back when they added the option to disable them.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2020-11-01T18:25:40.000Z","lastPublishTime":"2020-11-01T18:25:40.000Z","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:715700/message:715739","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:715740":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:715740","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:715740":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:131344"},"id":"message:715740","revisionNum":1,"uid":715740,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:715700"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:715700"},"subject":"Re: Lifetyles and Sentiments System... on the fence!","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:715740"},"body":"
\"IceyJ;c-17711830\" wrote:
\"CK213;c-17711795\" wrote:
\"Harukotyan;c-17711739\" wrote:
\"Cynna;c-17710471\" wrote:
I was looking forward to the personality changes most of all. However, as with most things with TS4, it seems that the feature is all about telling rather than showing. It's still about moodlets that get overwhelmed by environmental buffs. It's still about checking another information panel in order to find out what's happening. There is nothing natural or intuitive about it as with the older games.

In TS4, personality and feelings continue to be mainly expositional. For once, I'd like to actually see what the game says is happening.

If there is more to the new additions to the personality system than what I observed, the Gurus failed to illustrate or to explain them sufficiently.


I was seeing other Oshinsims video (not the one above) and she literally said that \"moodbufs and their explanations for this pack are numerous and she was constantly reading them to see how sims feel\". And this made me very suspicious. I feel like sims is somewhat a text rpg now. I do not want to read to understand how sims feel. I want to see it in their actions and whims. But her newest video reassured me a bit. I hope that sentiments will lead to the improvement of sims behavior in the end.


I am willing to bet EA has totally neglected whims with this pack.
Which would be sad, because sims getting whims associated with sentiments would be a powerful combination for game immersion.
I will have whims turned on in hopes I get lucky with a whim that goes well with the active sentiment.



EA stopped adding new whims ages ago. I think it was back when they added the option to disable them.


I know that.
I was just pointing out that whims associated with sentiments would be so powerful that it would be stupid not to build on that.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2020-11-01T18:28:52.000Z","lastPublishTime":"2020-11-01T18:28:52.000Z","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:715700/message:715740","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/EscalatedMessageBanner-1737479113000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/EscalatedMessageBanner-1737479113000","value":{"escalationMessage":"Escalated to Salesforce by {username} on {date}","viewDetails":"View Details","modalTitle":"Case Details","escalatedBy":"Escalated by: ","escalatedOn":"Escalated on: ","caseNumber":"Case Number: ","status":"Status: ","lastUpdateDate":"Last Update: ","automaticEscalation":"automatic escalation","anonymous":"Anonymous"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/users/UserLink-1737479113000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/users/UserLink-1737479113000","value":{"authorName":"View Profile: {author}","anonymous":"Anonymous"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserRank-1737479113000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserRank-1737479113000","value":{"rankName":"{rankName}","userRank":"Author rank {rankName}"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageTime-1737479113000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageTime-1737479113000","value":{"postTime":"Published: {time}","lastPublishTime":"Last Update: {time}","conversation.lastPostingActivityTime":"Last posting activity time: {time}","conversation.lastPostTime":"Last post time: {time}","moderationData.rejectTime":"Rejected time: {time}"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSubject-1737479113000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSubject-1737479113000","value":{"noSubject":"(no subject)"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageBody-1737479113000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageBody-1737479113000","value":{"showMessageBody":"Show More","mentionsErrorTitle":"{mentionsType, select, board {Board} user {User} message {Message} other {}} No Longer Available","mentionsErrorMessage":"The {mentionsType} you are trying to view has been removed from the community.","videoProcessing":"Video is being processed. 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