More representation of indigenous cultures?

"temporalgod;c-17728864" wrote:
I wouldn't hold my breath, they couldn't even get the Japanese one right, How about instead of during a USA themed pack why not go with a Canadian themed pack, it'll be cross between city living & outdoor retreat there'll be three types of areas, urban city residential area, a woodland forest area and a snow covered area, As a Canadian I personally wouldn't mind or be offended if the Sims team went with the usual stereotypes of my country like a lumberjack career, maple syrup themed build items, Canoes, Hunting & Canoeing skill, death by Canadian Geese, Death by Wolverine and a playable sasquatch or wendigo Occult and it'll also cover aboriginal culture too, since we didn't try to kill them when we first arrived unlike our dumb American cousins.

One thing I know about Canadian geese, you don't fuck with them.

I'm also a Canadian & would love the Canadian Beaver, Geese, Northern Territories, Prince Edward Island, British Columbia, the Inuits Tribes & Prairie Cree Tribes.
Also, "Anne of Green Gables/Road to Avonlea" would be cute.

I think I prefer they work on giving us the things so many have been begging for... Farming, Werewolves/Fairies, maybe a romance pack.. And personally, I would love a Theme park pack, or a Las Vegas style pack. Also want more work done on expanding the personality system, because I don't really see the new sentiment/lifestyles making much of a change.

Oh, also wouldn't mind bringing back drums and bands with a proper lead singer.

BTW, although I would like to see a few more Native American elements, I find that most of the Native Americans I know wear pretty much the same stuff as everybody else. I'd probably add a couple pieces of jewelry (a couple nice turquoise pieces, and one of them cool bone chokers that look so hot on men), a couple t-shirts with Native American designs, some moccasins (the knee high ones are so cool), and maybe a couple Southwestern looks might be nice. Loose double ponytails would be a good edition too, and not just for women.

A few more Native American home decor options would be good too. I'm surprised at how little there is in the game.

"Tammors;c-17748279" wrote:
> @Karon said:
> It would be like making a "asian" themed pack instead of a "japanese" or "south korean" themed packs, but...

That sounds good, but it's typical American thinking to assume that all Asian cultures are the same. Japan and Korea are right next to each other, but their cultures are quite different. The same goes for the other Asian countries. To be honest, the uproar would have been worse if they merged Asian cultures together, because then people would be saying "our culture doesn't do that!"

Of course, after the big stink Koreans put up about having Japanese elements in the game, the developers are probably gonna shy away from ever having any other expansions set in non-white countries.

yep, thats why I made the correlation. I think making an "generic indigenous" themed pack would be as bad as that.

@Ancaryvan Star Wars pack was actually voted worst pack and that was based on USA modern culture theme park that the Gurus personally visited for reference too at Disneyland and poll was in this forum too and had the worst backlash yet.
https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/984260/worst-sims-pack-of-all-time/

So for making people happy, sorry that has been proven wrong already and Sims 4 being American only is one of the biggest complaints of the Sims 4 especially by those that don't even play this iteration anyways. Seems like bad business to cater to a tiny minority of the world that refuse to be customers even six years later.

Shows that a Candyland pack even will sell better than an American franchise pack. LOL Thanks to the real political zealots wanting to keep the Sims games American showing that it doesn't appeal to them either. I love how they proved themselves wrong.

"Nate_Whiplash1;c-17729610" wrote:
From a business perspective, I wouldn't do it---too much of a chance for it to backfire and offend people by not getting something right. I think we should leave it to modders

Actually it would be great for business to get more people to play the Sims games. Sims is playing too safe is already backfiring on the franchise and given it a joke reputation to only catering towards babies. Then again what do I know with business being my forte and all and doing really well both in school and work in that area. *shrugs* I rather the game cater to you know the actual laws the company is in with including diversity or the game is already doomed for living in the dark ages laws. Business that don't innovate tend to die fast. Pandemic has proven that of businesses not wanting to change their ways of doing business end up going out of business. It would be bad business practice not to have diversity and have a repeat of SimCity not wanting to change their ways too. Then again EA is kind of in the dark ages already, so why would Sims be any different from not innovating like their other cookie cutter knock off games too? Even on EA standards, EA Sports has more diversity than the Sims does and people wonder why those games tend to sell better than this franchise, simple inclusive customer base. But I find those that don't want culture tend to not want new Simmers anyways which is dangerous especially with the pandemic. Existing customer base isn't going to be enough to fund EA's pockets plain and simple. Some of already divorced the franchise years ago, so catering to people not wanting change is a lost cause. Thus why the Sims 3 got remained broken. People weren't willing for that game to change either.

"Nate_Whiplash1;c-17730309" wrote:


Your argument would be valid if the Sims team were cultural experts--they're not. Look at the backlash that's already started with Snowy Escape and Japanese traditions not being followed properly--that made a lot of people angry. If the Sims team could do it properly, I'm all in...but they won't.....

You assume Sims team isn't culturally diverse. Also it wasn't just Japanese culture, but Korean culture too that there was some feedback and honestly glad it was. They don't even do the American culture properly. XD All they represent is the hipster style for this so called "American" representation and oh there is an even bigger backlash for American representation too. Look at Star Wars pack as a prime example of representing a specific place where the Gurus visited at Disneyland. American backlash is far worst than the cultural backlash has been so far. ;) At least those small things could be fixed easily with Snowy Escape. Sims 3 was another example too of American focused trends with a huge backlash with the Katy Perry pack. So it is not just the Sims 4 this exclusive focus has been bad for pack sales. I actually wonder with people that didn't like American packs like Star Wars want even more of it. It seems like it would be bad catering towards it. Like people said there was backlash with toddlers too but it was great for business and helped a ton with sales. The proof is in the sales numbers, nothing to argue about. It's just how businesses work these days is being innovative towards reaching a wider target market to grow their sales. Like toddlers and the gender update, it is going to happen whether people like it or not because EA wants money.

Every Sims pack has had some backlash to it anyways, so I don't see having culture hurt anything for those that say Sims 4 is the worst for business anyways that know nothing about how businesses actually work and the impact of sales figures. Despite the Sims 4 causing the most backlash, it is the top selling Sims iteration yet. So wouldn't more backlash help business more than hurt it using that logic? XD People like drama apparently and will buy just to get that joy of the backlash with pack and patch releases anyways.

So seems like culture has been good for business after all. :)
https://s22.q4cdn.com/894350492/files/doc_financials/2021/q2/Q2-FY21-Prepared-Remarks-Final.pdf

"Around the world, our multi-platform Sims community continues to grow, and
our Sims 4 player base on PC and console is now the largest in franchise history."
"The Sims 4 and Apex Legends show how we build great live services into strong ongoing
businesses. This quarter we’ll launch our 10th expansion pack for The Sims 4, along with some
important game updates that add even more cultural customization options for players."
"We also expect another very strong year for The Sims 4, a testament to the strength of that community
as it enters the seventh year of live service." So proof is in the numbers and well numbers have been very good and they are indeed doing well in business despite the community saying it has scared away more players than brought in when that isn't the case. It has retained the largest player base yet. What happens with not unionized companies like EA, they are for profit companies, so being "good for business" financially and in numbers of community members they have done well at.

Yesss

"Kerrigan;c-17729269" wrote:
Indigenous people are a sensitive subject as so many around the world are suppressed and treated with minority rights. Their cultures are really rich and beautiful(which we'd all love to see) but I can't think of one of them that would appreciate a cartoon game depicting their life or culture for a gaming company's profit with none of that money going toward their own issues.

Maybe EA could donate a portion of sale income toward whichever tribe/tribes they use as inspiration.