I have 2 sims in University. They didn't miss one class, did all of their homework and all projects completed! What's more is they are both maxed in all skills! ALL SKILLS!!! AND NOW THEY ARE BOTH ON PROBATION FOR GETTING F'S IN THEIR GRADES! WHAT IS THIS??? So, no matter how hard you try, the outcome of your grades are all random? Can EA Sims 4 devs ever do anything right??? :( :( :( :( :(Leave out the swearing, I get you may be frustrated but there's no reason to break the rules ~Rtas

@Sunirose, before submitting any term papers or doing any presentations, have you had your sims edit their term papers or organize their presentations? Plus a little thing I discovered, if you hover over either the menu option of editing term paper or on the presentation board, it will tell you if it's poor, normal, excellent or outstanding. (see below) I too had my first sim do poorly in his first term, it wasn't until I played my second sim when I discovered how to tell how well her term papers or presentations were. Once I learned of this, she has done much better in her classes. https://i.imgur.com/12NtU1L.png

Mamajanaynay, Oh my gosh, thanks for pointing that out. For the record, I'm a micro manager and had my sims edit their projects several times. Yet I didn't know if you hover over the project options it would tell you what the quality of the project is. I'll try another semester and see what the results are. I'll give an update when I've reached that point. Thank you for your insight.

Have you checked in with the professors during office hours? I think that's also part of the grade or attendance or general performance that helps.

"darrenfroggy;c-17326920" wrote:Have you checked in with the professors during office hours? I think that's also part of the grade or attendance or general performance that helps. I've done that on occasion, but I didn't know it actually affects your grades?

Furthermore, if it is all random, then what's the point in even trying in the first place? If it is random, I won't have any desire whatsoever to play University. Although, I was stupid enough to buy it. I'm still p i s s e d !!!! My two smartest sims flunked college. GRRRRRRR W T F :(

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Stina1701A
Seasoned Ace
6 years ago
"invisiblgirl;c-17327408" wrote:
"LDraconis;c-17327392" wrote:
"Aericia;c-17327334" wrote:
"LDraconis;c-17327316" wrote:

"Aericia;c-17327306" wrote:

I had the same problem.
If You send term paper or presentation before all classes is over, You will get bad notes, because its the end of this subject. So, after You send it ale Your classes and homeworks will be useless.

First - do homeworks, then study before all classes till You get blue moodlet „I know everything” or something like that (I don’t know but it might be useful), ask professors about Your notes (You can made friends with them and in the end ask for better notes - it works!) and THEN turn back excellent term paper or/and presentation!

Another tip: be careful, if Your Sim be late with presentation (till 4.30pm!) - for example walk too slow and arrived after 4.30pm - it will be marked as „done” but You do not get the points!

I think that people just start with presentation and the term paper because You can do it any time, but this is a huge mistake! The devs do not leave us clear info what should be done and when, so we must discover this by ourselves. :/

I do my papers or presentations just before the final class. After the final class isn't it too late? And yes, make sure you are in time and leave enough time, i.e. do not be doing your presentation so late that you miss the final class or worse, the final exam for a different class (although that should be pretty obvious advice :) )

And that was a mistake. You should do it in the end, because this will end all subject. After You turn back Your works You can’t study this subject and ask professors for info about Your notes. It’s done. :(
It’s ok after the final class. It is something like an exam.

But so far it has never ended the subject for me. If it ended the subject then the final class would not be available, yet it always has been. And so far I have had all A+'s, which seems unlikely if the final class was still available but was treated as a 'did not attend.'

Same here - my Sim does his term papers and presentations before the first class, works them over until they are 'outstanding' and then turns them in. He does all his homework, goes to every class (I didn't know about the 'take notes' option, so he normally just attended 'normally'), and studies until he gets the 'confident' moodlet. He's had an A+ in every class, so far.

This has to be a bug with you guys. I am playing a new game, with no mods (but buttload of cc though) and I have never waited with turning in either term papers or held a presentation until last day. When the term papers and presentations are of highest quality they get turned in/presented immediatly as possible. Even on the 1st day of term (monday) as I have sometimes finished at least one term paper or a presentation over the weekend before terms start.

Term papers and presentations that are turned in on wednesday or early thursday, is to me LATE. My Sims have managed to go to class for the rest of the term and finished with A+. I also rarely never have them study at all.

Just finish their homework and make sure they go to class and either take notes or listen attentively. At middle of term (wednesday or thursday) I have my Sims email their professors in each course and I generally find out that they are on a good way to get good grades.

When their graduation is near, I do have them study a bit to get skill increase as I know now that having incrementally increased skills are very important and I have gotten a feedback from the professors' email that my Sim(s) have to study more, especially in the last 2 terms, which I do and that helps.
gamertherapy
6 years ago
Glad to see so many helpful discussions on how to handle this issue.

And astonished that some people seem to think that the University pack is there to build skills for your Sims. If that were true, then there would be no point at all in buying a "college experience" because the actual skills can be built without all that expense and time spent, far better, by simply skipping it. But the fantasy, rather than the reality, is why we love TheSims franchise. So the bubble is safe from puncture, in the game: college can be just for the fun experience, and your Sims won't suffer the crushing realities that having a $100,000 mortgage on their future before they even get a job, represents.

There seem to be two main competing modern canon for the purpose of college: That of Learning For Its Own Sake, and the newer College As Work Certificate.

The first definition was always limited to the social elite, because although luminaries are born in every social class, only the elite can afford, and afford leisure for, the making of their potential in an open-ended sense. Therefore the potential of the majority of born human luminaries never gets fulfilled, due to social class striations that persist and are protected and maintained by the existing structure.

The second competing canon, sprang from a more 20th-century version of the older canon, in which the social and economic advantage of a degree was seen as a limitless resource rather than part of a closed system. From that point of view, give everyone a degree, and suddenly everyone has the advantages of a degree! Simple minds thought that would be a solution to social inequality. But when everyone has one, the value of one drops precipitously. The more sinister problem with this is that the years spent (arguably the most energetic and potentially productive years of life, both in raw physical ability to do work, and in intellectual productivity) cannot be recovered, and the decades of debt incurred in most cases, drags down the social and economic stability of the degree-holder. Throw in the widespread human desire to have and raise their own children at some point, and you have a trainwreck in slow motion playing out across several generations, in which quality of life for everyone involved, tanks.

There are still very sound justifications for college degrees for many professions: If you plan to become a pharmacologist, you need a deep understanding of organic chemistry, IUPAC nomenclature, biochem, etc. and therefore a degree, or hypothetically, an alternative way to demonstrate having mastered the same material.

Career instability threatens even this model, however, if lateral career moves (that come with their own ongoing and increasing "continuing education" requirements) become more and more likely to be necessary. Having to be flexible and credentialed for lateral moves many times in your working life, erodes the safety of the vertically invested career path.

New degree programs created just to turn more jobs into things that require a degree, and the general deflation of a degree's value respective to jobs, is adverse to social equity and economic stability. That's a different subject, and so far, most people are still drinking the kool-aide on that one.
CapitanTony
Seasoned Ace
6 years ago
I've been sticking with two classes per term for my family of four sims at college, and actually do homework for both of their classes on Saturday to start the term. Then I do any term papers and presentations on Sunday, and turn them in asap. It doesn't end anything; all options are still there. The simplest way I've found to keep track of homework is to just have them do it for the class they just came home from right away. Other than lateness from the buggy go to class early, this all seems to work pretty well.
kusurusu
Seasoned Ace
6 years ago
"Aericia;c-17327515" wrote:
Hmmm, I don’t know really. When I send my term paper the option on computer or the prsychology book „learn” was „grey” and I can’t click on them. I understand, that was the reason of my bad notes... Now I do term papers and presentations after all my classes and the notes are A+... (in Polish version it’s 6). Now I don’t know. This can’t be random!
Fun fact - my friend told me, that she separated two Sims students. She played one of them in the term and the second one was a NPC student and stay at home with animals. And the playable Sim had good but not the best notes and the NPC... all perfect, best notes. :disappointed:
Random or bugged? :/

What tooltip do you get when hovering over the greyed out ineraction? Is your sim in a bad mood or does it tell they've completed the course?
pepperjax1230
Seasoned Ace
6 years ago
"crinrict;c-17327325" wrote:
There does seem to be a bug involved with the term papers not counting properly as they should: https://answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports/OPEN-DU-Bad-grades-despite-sending-in-term-paper-not-recognized/m-p/8436417#M110137

Thats good to know but my sim already failed baking when I turned everything in for her.:joy:
Ukyojin
6 years ago
"kusurusu;c-17327631" wrote:
"Aericia;c-17327515" wrote:
Hmmm, I don’t know really. When I send my term paper the option on computer or the prsychology book „learn” was „grey” and I can’t click on them. I understand, that was the reason of my bad notes... Now I do term papers and presentations after all my classes and the notes are A+... (in Polish version it’s 6). Now I don’t know. This can’t be random!
Fun fact - my friend told me, that she separated two Sims students. She played one of them in the term and the second one was a NPC student and stay at home with animals. And the playable Sim had good but not the best notes and the NPC... all perfect, best notes. :disappointed:
Random or bugged? :/

What tooltip do you get when hovering over the greyed out ineraction? Is your sim in a bad mood or does it tell they've completed the course?

They are focused because I made them „home club” with focus moodlet. They are happy because they drinking magic potions from RoM (one of my Sims is skilled mage and I made over 200 potions).

The tooltip was something like „you finished the course” but I’m not sure. I will try to find in my old saves and maybe present a screen. :(

Maybe there is bug - sometimes putting a term paper automatically ends the course, even if you can then normally go to class and do homework?
7ecb57c84dc9ddb
6 years ago
First, my apologies for being so critical of the Sims 4 Devs. I reacted out of, well, anger. I do believe they try their best and they indeed deserve much credit for the amazing sims 4 game. I admit sometimes i'm in awe of some of the things I observe in game and think of the amazing creativity and talent of the sims 4 Devs.

To recap some things, my sims attend all classes, or at least I assume they're attending classes. They do all homework assignments. They go to class with all needs fulfilled. They also go to class with focus mood. They do all their projects. I noticed some people say don't do the projects until the very end of the semester, which I don't get why it would make a difference when you send in your project, as long as it's done. Because I always do the projects at the beginning and yes, then I submit them. Also, their research and debate skills are maxed.

In reflecting on the suggestions you all have made, I thought about what might have triggered these failed grades and probation. I don't know if this is the reason for the situation, but I did rotate to another family on the weekend that there were no classes for my University sims. When I returned to my Uni sims, in time for class on Monday morning, the messages appeared that they failed their classes and were put on probation.

Regarding the ping pong table, my sims will just stand in front of it for quite awhile, waiting for another sim to join, which most times never shows up and then messages appear saying the ping pong session was cut short due to lack of participation. And the ping pong drinking game just seems rather "lackluster". Also, I don't get what the point of a keg drink is. It just seems to be the same effect you get from a bar drink, which is a little moodlet.
janyses
Seasoned Ace
6 years ago
"darrenfroggy;c-17326920" wrote:
Have you checked in with the professors during office hours? I think that's also part of the grade or attendance or general performance that helps.

I've never had to do that. I think it's the same as checking your progress by phone or computer. Shouldn't affect your grade, it only gives you an idea what your grades are.
7ecb57c84dc9ddb
6 years ago
"LDraconis;c-17327274" wrote:
"Sunirose;c-17326946" wrote:
"Sunirose;d-969547" wrote:

You never start new sims? Or only start new sims with maxed everything?

I start new sims but don't play them. Most of the sims I play were started near the beginning of the sims 4, almost 5 years old.

But since University, I've been preparing to start playing new sims.
janyses
Seasoned Ace
6 years ago
"Aericia;c-17327334" wrote:
"LDraconis;c-17327316" wrote:

"Aericia;c-17327306" wrote:

I had the same problem.
If You send term paper or presentation before all classes is over, You will get bad notes, because its the end of this subject. So, after You send it ale Your classes and homeworks will be useless.

First - do homeworks, then study before all classes till You get blue moodlet „I know everything” or something like that (I don’t know but it might be useful), ask professors about Your notes (You can made friends with them and in the end ask for better notes - it works!) and THEN turn back excellent term paper or/and presentation!

Another tip: be careful, if Your Sim be late with presentation (till 4.30pm!) - for example walk too slow and arrived after 4.30pm - it will be marked as „done” but You do not get the points!

I think that people just start with presentation and the term paper because You can do it any time, but this is a huge mistake! The devs do not leave us clear info what should be done and when, so we must discover this by ourselves. :/

I do my papers or presentations just before the final class. After the final class isn't it too late? And yes, make sure you are in time and leave enough time, i.e. do not be doing your presentation so late that you miss the final class or worse, the final exam for a different class (although that should be pretty obvious advice :) )

And that was a mistake. You should do it in the end, because this will end all subject. After You turn back Your works You can’t study this subject and ask professors for info about Your notes. It’s done. :(
It’s ok after the final class. It is something like an exam.

I don't believe this is true. I often turn in my papers and presentations early. I've never noticed any issues with it ending the class.

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