As the titles says this presentation of the pack was uninspiring, chaotic and boring. I was excited about the pack but because of the stream i think it looks terrible. The Lady with the curly hair was annoying. She seemed bored and was all over the place. Did barely pay attention and got distracted way too much. They would forget answering questions, which becomes annoying, when you consider that there was so much silence. It was really unprofessional and quiet hard to sit trough and pay attention. Awkward pauses... ''Hmm what should we show now'' questionsReally?! They litteraly didnt know what to do after one hour. A 2h Livestream like that is tiresome and i learned my lesson.The promotion for this Uni Pack is all over the place... silence... gameplay trailer, that doesnt really show the features... no date for when the embargo lifts for the game changers... its ''on the weekend'' ... we dont know when the patch arrives...I miss the trailers from get to work. Behind the scenes from artists that did simlish versions of theyre song, or even some ads like the stillLife trailer. They should just do a producer walktrough that is maybe 10 minutes, highlights the features and tells the story. Does anyone remember These trailers?An Q&A Blog about the most asked questions and leave the showcasing part up to the game changers. At this point they are doing it waaay better then the gurus themselves anyway.I do find it irritating that you never see SimGuruFrost in the streams. Why is there litteraly someone that has to pay attention to the questions from the fast twitch community chat, when this is someting the Community Manager could do. Why isnt he the one asking the most common questions. Also why didnt they used the other room.But at least the one in the middle was enthusiastic... even though the robotic talk got kinda annoying. I know they arent professional streamers and arent used to be live in front of 1000 of people... At the same time one would think a billion company studio would get theyre stuff together after 5years, but okay.So how do you feel about the Livestream and the pack presentation and what could of been improved?

The cas was shown a bit too quickly and the build/buy wasn’t shown really. I know the game changers will do it but it’s still important to see. Then I would have liked to know more about the careers.I’m disappointed that there’s no new trait because we desperately need more traits!! The livestream was informative but a bit all over the place.

Unfortunatelly I have to agree with you 100%. It was really chaotic, no order, only a few questions were answered.I hope we can see more Simguru Azure, in the lead! She was really awesome, great, fun, sweet,... :)

Surprised by this post. Haven’t seen any of it but I actually see a lot of enthousiasm among simmers.

I 100% agree with everything you've said. I realize they're not professionals being used to being on camera, but even so... they were completely unprepared. They could have at least had a script, timeline and gathered questions from the forums, Twitter, Instagram, the most commonly asked ones and showed those aspects and answered those. I left this stream feeling bored and had even more questions than actual answers. Simguru Azure should have had the keyboard control as she seemed to be at least the only one who really knew how to play and I found it frustrating having to watch her teach the other how to play... The sims didn't do as they were told many times and it was frustrating to see them tired all of the time or having to pee, just cheat the needs for the stream at least! It was all around pretty terrible and made me actually not want to buy it. The robots were great IMO, but I'm not paying $40 for just those...

I like the pack and the gurus seemed enthusiastic but the stream was definitely chaotic. Some more structure would have been ideal. I definitely agree that cheating the needs of the played sims would have been a good idea.

The Discover University Livestream was a dissapointment.

Cinebar
6 years ago
"Scobre;c-17307104" wrote:
"Jordan061102;c-17306397" wrote:

I didn't see anything wrong with the chat. I guess simmers are just not used to have different opinions and that there's not just one right manner of thinking.

It was a chaotic mess. It is like how are we supposed to expect the Gurus to conduct themselves in order if Simmers can't even for one day or even a couple of hours? It sent me and several Simmers into a panic attack with how toxic it was. Between the butt emotes, CAS spam, and NSFW wall spam and Simmers attacking each other, Game Changers, and SimGurus I've never seen a bigger display of chaos in my life. It was a war zone. Also people forget the difference between Youtube and Twitch. I doubt most even visit Twitch apart from the Sims streams. Youtube think of it like recorded television, Twitch is live TV. It never has scripts. Game Changers also hardly have their videos in under two hours. Honestly if people want scripted stuff, that is what Youtube is for. With how people behaved I wouldn't be shocked if chat was changed to emote only next time because what is the point of having chat if people weren't even able to write coherent sentences. It was the most illiterate chat I've ever been apart of. I think I would have had a more mature conversation with my four year old nephew than that chat.

Something like this by game designer MaxiodHunter was a better show of what I'm talking about than just all slap happy presentation. And remember this was all brand new to The Sims series. We saw most (didn't show the many, many hidden surprises) of this pack. I think this is the way to go and makes more sense than what TS4 does now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k0V9XTLK7M
Peapod79
New Spectator
6 years ago
I know it's live, and they aren't professional youtubers or streamers but they still should/could have had a script of some sort with questions ready to answer and a plan in which order to show aspects. They were a mess themselves and all over the place and hard to watch and follow. They made me not want to buy the pack. Lucky for them some of the videos the GC's are putting out are almost swaying me to at least back on the fence. I know the GC's have time to work and sort their content but those Guru's should have been a lot more organized. They could have had multiple sims set up too at a variety of stages to show what happens between semesters and after graduation, instead of long pauses where they were just searching for things to show off next and not really knowing what to do.
simmyfroggy
6 years ago
"PlanetSixam;c-17307302" wrote:
@Scobre No one is suggesting that the gurus be handed over scripts to learn word for word, don't take it so literally.

We're asking for better content structure, which can be easily done for both YouTube and Twitch. The gurus could have a print out in front of them, with a list of key things that need to be showcased. Something like this would only act as a guide or pointer (not tell them what to say) so that the gurus don't miss anything out and don't end up saying "what should we show next?" during the stream.

The stream did not have a natural feel at all - it simply felt awkward due to the lack of preparation.

It definitely seemed very improvised.
Or rather, like the two who were supposed to run the stream had things ready (at least Azure did) but they weren't given the control they thought they would have.

It's a bummer that they didn't switch up with the game, we'd likely get a better viewing experience if the ones who set up the households were actually playing them.
Peapod79
New Spectator
6 years ago
"darrenfroggy;c-17307379" wrote:
"PlanetSixam;c-17307302" wrote:
@Scobre No one is suggesting that the gurus be handed over scripts to learn word for word, don't take it so literally.

We're asking for better content structure, which can be easily done for both YouTube and Twitch. The gurus could have a print out in front of them, with a list of key things that need to be showcased. Something like this would only act as a guide or pointer (not tell them what to say) so that the gurus don't miss anything out and don't end up saying "what should we show next?" during the stream.

The stream did not have a natural feel at all - it simply felt awkward due to the lack of preparation.

It definitely seemed very improvised.
Or rather, like the two who were supposed to run the stream had things ready (at least Azure did) but they weren't given the control they thought they would have.

It's a bummer that they didn't switch up with the game, we'd likely get a better viewing experience if the ones who set up the households were actually playing them.

Absolutely agree with this! I just about screamed at my laptop when Simguru Azure had to tell her which mouse button... "no the left" oh just give her the keyboard and mouse already so she can explain it!

I'm sure the one with the keyboard is a very lovely person, but they really could and likely should have gone ahead without her. I feel like she slowed things down and broke the momentum on more than one occasion. I literally went to not wanting the game at all after this stream and I saw other simmers wanting money back for their pre-orders and this just isn't the reaction you want people to have when you're trying to sell them something.
nucleonide
6 years ago
It was my first time to watch a Sims Twitch stream live, and it was a bit of a mess. Sure, the pacing needed a lot of work, but such is the nature of anything that happens live.

And since The Sims community is a very unforgiving crowd, I think they should just stop with these pre-launch streams. They're devs and producers and I don't think they need to be doing additional work on top of their daily jobs, EA (unless they're being paid extra, which, good for them, I guess). Just let the people wait for launch day to let them do the deep dive for themselves... like the old days.

P.S. SimGuruAzure should be on more streams if they ever decide to do more :)
timurjr96
6 years ago
I think as a community manager, @SimGuruFrost should have show up on every livestream. help answering each questions, I didn't watch the full stream since it was way too boring.
ashtonberetta
6 years ago
I agree with everything you said. There isn't even one positive comment on the youtube video. I felt as though the lady was so bored and it seems like she hadn't even played the game before, and seemed really uninspired. If you look at the university from sims 2 and 3, the sims 4 looks... kinda depressing. I actually had hope that this pack would be a huge comeback due to the demand, but nope. another pack i'll probably be waiting for to go on sale before i spend money on it. this is my reaction due to the execution of that live stream. i'm sure when it comes out the players will make it look a lot more exciting and worth while, but we shouldn't have to be convinced by other people to buy a pack. it should speak for itself and the actual developers should be inspiring us to purchase it, which i feel is unfortunately not what is happening. anyway, we'll see when it comes out, i'll still give it a chance but my hopes aren't very high at the moment
astridentanja
6 years ago
"Scobre;c-17306390" wrote:
I'll never understand. Simmers want Gurus to act like Gamechangers and Gamechangers to know what SimGurus know. The whole Sims community was chaotic during that live stream and the worst displayment in chat that I've seen since joining the Sims community back in 2015. I bet that majority of people complaining about the stream being professional don't even stream themselves. Think you can do it better, prove it. Streaming is hard. Gurus aren't robots. Game Changers aren't robots. So give them a break geez. True SimGuruGraham is good at streaming, but he's had practice with non-Sims streams and I enjoy watching his channel a lot. It took a lot of trial and error on SimGuruSteve's part to even get the streams as good looking as they are now. I still struggle with streaming myself. There were so many bots and fighting during that stream, I had to rewatch it just to understand what was being said and believe me it isn't easy to ask questions while children are fighting in chat. I am just glad I didn't have to mod that chat, because I'm not as forgiving when using my ban hammer. That just was the most toxic chat I've ever seen and there was no sense of Sims community in it. It was a war zone there that makes even the League of Legend trolls look like a "safe space".

No, I don’t agree with that. These are professionals trying to sell a game to me, it’s their job to do that properly. I mean, I’m a librarian and I wouldn’t get away with that if I’d communicate in such a poor way (I have to communicate with schools and writers mainly and it’s highly important I do that in a clear and professional way; if I don’t, “well try and do it yourself in a better way!” wouldn’t be an argument at all, actually that kind of attitude would rather get me into trouble). If streaming is that hard (I have no idea, nor the ambition to try it), then livestreaming might not be the proper way to advertise and inform. Why needs it to be live anyway. I completely fail to understand that.

Somehow ‘scripted’ seems to be a negative thing? It’s not. Scripted means you thought through properly what exactly you want to show people. Having a script is essential to get a message across. Nobody benefits from noise and chaos. It also means you don’t have to steal two hours of other people’s lives with just mediocre (or even poor) footage, leaving them all disappointed.
Simburian
Seasoned Rookie
6 years ago
"Scobre;c-17306390" wrote:
I'll never understand. Simmers want Gurus to act like Gamechangers and Gamechangers to know what SimGurus know. The whole Sims community was chaotic during that live stream and the worst displayment in chat that I've seen since joining the Sims community back in 2015. I bet that majority of people complaining about the stream being professional don't even stream themselves. Think you can do it better, prove it. Streaming is hard. Gurus aren't robots. Game Changers aren't robots. So give them a break geez. True SimGuruGraham is good at streaming, but he's had practice with non-Sims streams and I enjoy watching his channel a lot. It took a lot of trial and error on SimGuruSteve's part to even get the streams as good looking as they are now. I still struggle with streaming myself. There were so many bots and fighting during that stream, I had to rewatch it just to understand what was being said and believe me it isn't easy to ask questions while children are fighting in chat. I am just glad I didn't have to mod that chat, because I'm not as forgiving when using my ban hammer. That just was the most toxic chat I've ever seen and there was no sense of Sims community in it. It was a war zone there that makes even the League of Legend trolls look like a "safe space".

I never bother to watch the chat as I watch full screen. It's too quick to roll on anyway and childish. I agree with most of what you say. I would have liked, though, to see each Guru take a turn at the keyboard as when they were describing their own particular job interest they were good.

Maybe don't Livestream but produce a long edited, video (or even small ones) as a type of instruction manual. A longer, fuller version of James Turner's video which I thought was quite good.

I am missing so much that is good in this game as I am not made aware of it. (esp. GTW)! I do so miss those instruction manuals from 1, 2 and 3. In-game ones are distracting when you play the game.
Peapod79
New Spectator
6 years ago
"PlanetSixam;c-17307833" wrote:
"Scobre;c-17307359" wrote:
They do have a print out sometimes. But yeah didn't see one this time. An outline would be easier than a script. That way they don't feel like they are reading from it while playing the game. They did tell the community that they wouldn't visit CAS until the very end, so even with a plan the community still didn't listen. I've seen it done with the Game Changers too with Simmers trying to micromanage content creators.

If they have had notes or print outs in past streams, then it's probably a good idea to get into the habit of utilizing that idea more often. It's not about Simmers trying to micromanage, it's a suggestion on how the gurus could keep better track of the content they have to go through.

"Scobre;c-17307359" wrote:
I'd just like to see the Simmers who are so critical of streams do it better. I mean Simmers say all the time not to be harsh to Gurus because Simmers can't code. Yet something they can do like streaming, they don't want to show the example of.

By no means am I saying that I could do the job better. I understand that streaming is not for everyone and that it poses its own difficulties and challenges. Knowing that I'm not particularly fond of being in front of the camera, nor am I naturally charismatic, if I were asked to do a live stream then I would prepare for it. I certainly would not try to improvise the whole thing. An example of what I'm talking about is in the spoilers below.

Example

1. Create-a-Sim

Male CAS - a) Hairstyles & Hats b) Accessories & Make Up c) Tops d) Bottoms e) Full Outfits f) Shoes

Female CAS - a) Hairstyles & Hats b) Accessories & Make Up c) Tops d) Bottoms e) Full Outfits f) Shoes

New Traits

2. Build & Buy Mode

Build Mode:

Buy Mode:

3. Gameplay

Feature 1 -

Feature 2 -

You see? Not scripted but organized and well planned out.

"Scobre;c-17307359" wrote:
Stream did feel more natural to me because it wasn't so scripted. Gurus aren't actors and I don't expect them to be. I actually love how raw the Extra Live streams felt. No script at all and felt so natural and was nice seeing the Gurus have fun rather than having to tip toe on eggshells.

Just because it's raw and unscripted, doesn't always mean that it's better. Streams that go with the flow and have no particular plan can work, but it depends on who is hosting the stream and what they are doing. This kind of approach does not work when the purpose of the stream is to be informative. And honestly, with the exception of SimGuruAzure, the others did not look like they were having much fun.

They looked utterly bored and completely uninterested. Now how am I exactly supposed to want to spend $40 on something they don't even want to look at and they made it!?! SimGuru Azure was the only one with any life to her and the only one that appeared to have any actual knowledge or passion. The one with keyboard and mouse didn't even seem like she's even played the game on live mode for 5 minutes! I understand it's not an easy thing and it makes a lot uncomfortable, then fine. Have a plan of what you will show and answer, or have people that are comfortable. Even if they didn't work on the game, would it have been so hard to show another a few things for a few hours in advance so they could present it and actually make me want to buy it? As a marketing strategy, putting in uncomfortable people is a sure way to turn customers off. Another unfortunate side effect is that if I see those Gurus again in a video (not Azure but the other two) they can guarantee I won't watch it. :/ Not really a great way to send a message or advertise.