I've been playing this game forever and yet I can't figure out why some sims just always want to do mean interactions to specific other sims.In my current active household the "dad" sim, if left to autonomy, regularly uses the insult interaction on his wife. He's actually a nice sim, very friendly and respectful to almost all other sims in the game but for some reason, he's mean to his wife. She's also a really sweet sim, even has the "Pristine Reputation" with maxed out bar for her public image. Neither of them has any negative traits from Character values either.It's also not mood related I wouldn't think; he is normally in quite a good mood, either confident, happy or inspired.I can't for the life of me figure out why he wants to be a dick to his wife all the time. Could it be because they are just very different? They have the "opposites attract" sentiment frequently.I will add that these two sims were started in this game as a new game to do the Surviving the Holidays scenario, so at the very start of the game they absolutely hated each other. Mean interactions toward each other was completely normal back then. She was actually the one who was more mean at that time, but all of the negative sentiments are LONG since passed.

Hi @Stormkeep what are their traits and current sentiments toward each other?

There's a bug report for this issue. Still needs saves.https://answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports/NEEDS-SAVES-Sims-autonomously-do-mean-interactions-for-no-reason/td-p/9821620

That's odd. I would probably check what buffs and hidden traits those sims have with sim info. Maybe they have leftover hidden buffs or hidden traits from Surviving the Holidays scenario.I only know how to to do that with MC Command Center though or the sim info mod.

"logion;c-18031169" wrote:That's odd. I would probably check what buffs and hidden traits those sims have with sim info. Maybe they have leftover hidden buffs or hidden traits from Surviving the Holidays scenario.I only know how to to do that with MC Command Center though or the sim info mod.That was a good idea. I do use MCCC. I went through the log and couldn't find anything hidden related to the scenario other than a bit in his relationship details with Blake indicating that the scenario relationship has been healed.I did find several hidden bits in relationships pertaining to him being awkward...which I assume is because of the loner trait. Maybe that trait alone is causing the issues. Or...it's the bug which @simgirl1010 mentioned (and I appreciate that mention). It sure has the trademarks of what that bug thread talks about.

"Stormkeep;c-18031182" wrote:"logion;c-18031169" wrote:That's odd. I would probably check what buffs and hidden traits those sims have with sim info. Maybe they have leftover hidden buffs or hidden traits from Surviving the Holidays scenario.I only know how to to do that with MC Command Center though or the sim info mod.That was a good idea. I do use MCCC. I went through the log and couldn't find anything hidden related to the scenario other than a bit in his relationship details with Blake indicating that the scenario relationship has been healed.I did find several hidden bits in relationships pertaining to him being awkward...which I assume is because of the loner trait. Maybe that trait alone is causing the issues. Or...it's the bug which simgirl1010 mentioned (and I appreciate that mention). It sure has the trademarks of what that bug thread talks about.Hm, it was worth a shot. I usually find reasons for my sims behavior in the hidden buffs list, that's how I found out when NAPs were bugged they had the NAP community hidden buffs. And you can find other information there like if your sim is left handed and things like that in the hidden traits list.But if you can't find anything there then I'm not sure what could cause them to be mean towards each other autonomously.

What makes Sims be mean to each other autonomously?

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mightyspritesims
Legend
4 years ago
Hi @Stormkeep what are their traits and current sentiments toward each other?
simgirl1010
Hero
4 years ago
There's a bug report for this issue. Still needs saves.

https://answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports/NEEDS-SAVES-Sims-autonomously-do-mean-interactions-for-no-reason/td-p/9821620
JaggidEdje
4 years ago
Their traits, not counting ones bought in the rewards store but including ones earned from aspirations or careers are:

Blake (wife):

Loves the Outdoors
Foody
Cheerful
Essence of Flavor
Domestic

TJ (husband and asshat):

Bookworm
Loner
Creative
Muser

That Loner trait on TJ could be part of the issue, but he's not mean to ANYONE else.
logionX
Legend
4 years ago
That's odd. I would probably check what buffs and hidden traits those sims have with sim info. Maybe they have leftover hidden buffs or hidden traits from Surviving the Holidays scenario.

I only know how to to do that with MC Command Center though or the sim info mod.
JaggidEdje
4 years ago
"logion;c-18031169" wrote:
That's odd. I would probably check what buffs and hidden traits those sims have with sim info. Maybe they have leftover hidden buffs or hidden traits from Surviving the Holidays scenario.

I only know how to to do that with MC Command Center though or the sim info mod.

That was a good idea. I do use MCCC. I went through the log and couldn't find anything hidden related to the scenario other than a bit in his relationship details with Blake indicating that the scenario relationship has been healed.

I did find several hidden bits in relationships pertaining to him being awkward...which I assume is because of the loner trait. Maybe that trait alone is causing the issues. Or...it's the bug which @simgirl1010 mentioned (and I appreciate that mention). It sure has the trademarks of what that bug thread talks about.
logionX
Legend
4 years ago
"Stormkeep;c-18031182" wrote:
"logion;c-18031169" wrote:
That's odd. I would probably check what buffs and hidden traits those sims have with sim info. Maybe they have leftover hidden buffs or hidden traits from Surviving the Holidays scenario.

I only know how to to do that with MC Command Center though or the sim info mod.

That was a good idea. I do use MCCC. I went through the log and couldn't find anything hidden related to the scenario other than a bit in his relationship details with Blake indicating that the scenario relationship has been healed.

I did find several hidden bits in relationships pertaining to him being awkward...which I assume is because of the loner trait. Maybe that trait alone is causing the issues. Or...it's the bug which simgirl1010 mentioned (and I appreciate that mention). It sure has the trademarks of what that bug thread talks about.

Hm, it was worth a shot. I usually find reasons for my sims behavior in the hidden buffs list, that's how I found out when NAPs were bugged they had the NAP community hidden buffs. And you can find other information there like if your sim is left handed and things like that in the hidden traits list.

But if you can't find anything there then I'm not sure what could cause them to be mean towards each other autonomously.
NightlyCoffee
4 years ago
Looking at your traits, they are definitely not the cause. Loner wouldn't cause random mean interactions. If one of them was mean, or had negative parenthood traits (which your sims don't have) that would be a cause. Also, the opposites attract sentiment is a positive sentiment and would not cause mean interactions.

Since you started playing them during the scenario and they had negative sentiments, I'm certain the issue here is the "stuck" negative sentiments bug.

There's a couple of things I've noticed that causes random mean interactions:

"Stuck" negative sentiments
Conversation type (very awkward or unpleasant)
The mean trait
Angry emotion

Sometimes, if sims have had negative sentiments with one another in the past, those negative sentiments can get "stuck" on the sims. I've had sims that had a festering grudge against each other, worked through their issues, and had a high relationship with several positive sentiments but still insulted and yelled at each other randomly.

Sims are laughing, hugging, and having a great time when suddenly...

"Hey, remember that time 10 years ago when you hurt my feelings?"

"I forgot all about that..."

"Well I haven't! JERK!"

Unfortunately, I don't think there's a solution for stuck sentiments. :(
logionX
Legend
4 years ago
"NightlyCoffee;c-18031207" wrote:
Looking at your traits, they are definitely not the cause. Loner wouldn't cause random mean interactions. If one of them was mean, or had negative parenthood traits (which your sims don't have) that would be a cause. Also, the opposites attract sentiment is a positive sentiment and would not cause mean interactions.

Since you started playing them during the scenario and they had negative sentiments, I'm certain the issue here is the "stuck" negative sentiments bug.

There's a couple of things I've noticed that causes random mean interactions:

"Stuck" negative sentiments
Conversation type (very awkward or unpleasant)
The mean trait
Angry emotion

Sometimes, if sims have had negative sentiments with one another in the past, those negative sentiments can get "stuck" on the sims. I've had sims that had a festering grudge against each other, worked through their issues, and had a high relationship with several positive sentiments but still insulted and yelled at each other randomly.

Sims are laughing, hugging, and having a great time when suddenly...

"Hey, remember that time 10 years ago when you hurt my feelings?"

"I forgot all about that..."

"Well I haven't! ????!"

Unfortunately, I don't think there's a solution for stuck sentiments. :(

I assume that sentiments are hidden traits? In that case one should be able to remove them with cheats. You need to know what the traits are called though. Maybe one could find out by starting the Surviving the Holidays scenario and check what negative sentiment they have and what hidden traits they get. And then you could try removing them with the traits.remove_trait cheat.
JaggidEdje
4 years ago
"logion;c-18031218" wrote:

I assume that sentiments are hidden traits? In that case one should be able to remove them with cheats. You need to know what the traits are called though.

They aren't hidden traits, they are relationship bits. You can remove them (or add them) with the modifyrelationship cheats, you just need to know the name of the bits.

The sentiments also show up in the log created by MCCC which you suggested I do and it turns out looking at the log there is still a "Bitter Grudge" showing on TJ. I somehow missed that the first time I looked. That could explain why he's being mean but she's not, she has no such negative bits in the list shown in the MCCC log like he does.

The bits Blake has for TJ atm are:

sentimentBit_Adoring_ST_generic
sentimentBit_Close_ST_generic
sentimentBit_Close_ST_GroupCooking_CookingTogether
sentimentBit_Close_LT_generic
sentimentBit_Close_ST_qualityTime

And the ones TJ has for Blake are:

shortTermBits_healedNegativeSentiment
sentimentBit_Close_ST_GroupCooking_CookingTogether
sentimentBit_Close_LT_generic
sentimentBit_Bitter_LT_grudge
sentimentBit_Adoring_ST_impressed
logionX
Legend
4 years ago
Ah, okay. I didn't know that they changed the relationship bits. That makes sense that they would do it like that.

I think you found it. Maybe if you are able to remove that one he will stop being mean autonomously.