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"jackjack_k;c-16293676" wrote:
"@JoAnne65;c-16293385" wrote:
"TheGoodOldGamer;c-16291745" wrote:
I voted beyond 2025 because the thought of this forum then amuses me greatly. :D
I want it to go as long as the devs want to and are able to keep working on it. I'm sure Sims 3 players would say that game ended 'too early' for whatever arbitrary reason, and I wouldn't want Sims 4 to end just because of something arbitrary like the franchise anniversary. The gurus have said they expect it to go longer than previous versions, and not to take past release patterns as current ways to predict things, so I'm hoping for that.
I don’t think actually many Sims 3 players say that game ended too soon. It has 11 expansions with quite some substance, enough to still enjoy it years later. Same goes for Sims 2 and 1. Wanting it to go on just to be amused by those not amused is what I’d call an arbitrary reason.
I feel like The Sims 3 could have had heaps more packs, like a true Vacation EP, Business EP, Hobby EP etc. I feel like there was heaps more to do.
And The Sims 2 ending when it did was horrible, I reckon they could have squeezed one or two more EP's out. The Sims 2 Ultimate Collection feels quite small in comparison to 3 or even 4.
They could have made other choices (personally I was disappointed with the last one, science fiction and robots are not really my cup of tea, though the result turned out more enjoyable than I’d feared), but that’s a matter of personal preference. I’m not interested in running a business myself, IP for me fully meets my wishes for spending a vacation (in combination with features from other packs) and my sims have more than enough hobbies to choose from. You can’t have everything obviously, but Sims 3 doesn’t exactly lack content ;) And considering there are also still people playing and enjoying 2, the same goes for that game. Personally I think any game benefits from being truely renewed every five years. Expecially a game with a weak and limited basegame."JoAnne65;c-16294425" wrote:
"jackjack_k;c-16293676" wrote:
"@JoAnne65;c-16293385" wrote:
"TheGoodOldGamer;c-16291745" wrote:
I voted beyond 2025 because the thought of this forum then amuses me greatly. :D
I want it to go as long as the devs want to and are able to keep working on it. I'm sure Sims 3 players would say that game ended 'too early' for whatever arbitrary reason, and I wouldn't want Sims 4 to end just because of something arbitrary like the franchise anniversary. The gurus have said they expect it to go longer than previous versions, and not to take past release patterns as current ways to predict things, so I'm hoping for that.
I don’t think actually many Sims 3 players say that game ended too soon. It has 11 expansions with quite some substance, enough to still enjoy it years later. Same goes for Sims 2 and 1. Wanting it to go on just to be amused by those not amused is what I’d call an arbitrary reason.
I feel like The Sims 3 could have had heaps more packs, like a true Vacation EP, Business EP, Hobby EP etc. I feel like there was heaps more to do.
And The Sims 2 ending when it did was horrible, I reckon they could have squeezed one or two more EP's out. The Sims 2 Ultimate Collection feels quite small in comparison to 3 or even 4.
They could have made other choices (personally I was disappointed with the last one, science fiction and robots are not really my cup of tea, though the result turned out more enjoyable than I’d feared), but that’s a matter of personal preference. I’m not interested in running a business myself, IP for me fully meets my wishes for spending a vacation (in combination with features from other packs) and my sims have more than enough hobbies to choose from. You can’t have everything obviously, but Sims 3 doesn’t exactly lack content ;) And considering there are also still people playing and enjoying 2, the same goes for that game. Personally I think any game benefits from being truely renewed every five years. Expecially a game with a weak and limited basegame.
Not only that but games start to get buggy and unstable with lots of dlc. I feel both ts2 and ts3 ended at the right time largely because they were starting to show some cracks.
4 is also starting to get more bugs that even with live service are getting hard to control. Combine that with how sales slowly drop over time for games, it is not realistic for a game like the Sims to keep going. I can't see it going on for more than ten years personally.- Saw this on Twitter this morning:
https://twitter.com/EA/status/958761839206133760 - I'd Pray Sims 4 gets a good 10 years lifespan, Once I get the majority of what I want, I'd like an additional 5 years to enjoy the game before they usher in the Sims 5.
"TheGoodOldGamer;c-16294989" wrote:
Saw this on Twitter this morning:
https://twitter.com/EA/status/958761839206133760
Yes. But he also gave the reason which was that EA released both Cats & Dogs and TS4 for consoles in that quarter. In the next quarter EA likely will release only a SP and maybe a GP. So the result will likely be very different."jackjack_k;c-16293676" wrote:
"@JoAnne65;c-16293385" wrote:
"TheGoodOldGamer;c-16291745" wrote:
I voted beyond 2025 because the thought of this forum then amuses me greatly. :D
I want it to go as long as the devs want to and are able to keep working on it. I'm sure Sims 3 players would say that game ended 'too early' for whatever arbitrary reason, and I wouldn't want Sims 4 to end just because of something arbitrary like the franchise anniversary. The gurus have said they expect it to go longer than previous versions, and not to take past release patterns as current ways to predict things, so I'm hoping for that.
I don’t think actually many Sims 3 players say that game ended too soon. It has 11 expansions with quite some substance, enough to still enjoy it years later. Same goes for Sims 2 and 1. Wanting it to go on just to be amused by those not amused is what I’d call an arbitrary reason.
I feel like The Sims 3 could have had heaps more packs, like a true Vacation EP, Business EP, Hobby EP etc. I feel like there was heaps more to do.
And The Sims 2 ending when it did was horrible, I reckon they could have squeezed one or two more EP's out. The Sims 2 Ultimate Collection feels quite small in comparison to 3 or even 4.
I don't think you're accounting for tech limitations or instability issues. In retrospect, I believe EA now recommends players do NOT install all Sims 3 expansions simultaneously because it's difficult to run that way. This is not even really a consequence of the game, but rather any game could be expected to start exploding once it hits a certain file size beyond it's initial size. It reaches a point where they'd have to do a major update just to provide the game with stability, at which point they naturally ask themselves "why not just make a new game?"
Bethesda titles such as Skyrim are evidence it wasn't a Sims 3 exclusive issue, because they had an issue where character files beyond a certain file size would slowly become unplayable. Yes, the problem appeared far quicker on Playstation and Xbox rather than PC, but in all three it was noticeable. Bethesda eventually had to stop ignoring it because after four games of ignoring bug reports, Skyrim saw the Playstation completely incapable of playing the expansions initially because it's system was especially susceptible to this.
Realistically speaking, while some of us might've loved more content for Sims 3, it's likely that it simply would not have been able to handle much more without issues. The very same problem can afflict Sims 4, and that's why I'd recommend people realistically expect 2019 or 2020 as the final years and not cling to any pie-in-the-sky dreams like 2025."Erpe;c-16295044" wrote:
"TheGoodOldGamer;c-16294989" wrote:
Saw this on Twitter this morning:
https://twitter.com/EA/status/958761839206133760
Yes. But he also gave the reason which was that EA released both Cats & Dogs and TS4 for consoles in that quarter. In the next quarter EA likely will release only a SP and maybe a GP. So the result will likely be very different.
The other thing to consider is that this is 35% growth per year. The beginning of Sims 4 itself wasn't exactly impressive, so it's much easier to hit a 35% growth mark if we're talking 35% of 10 rather than 35% of 10,000,000.
This is likely why they prefer giving us percentages rather than hard numbers. A percentage sounds more flattering in this scenario. I would expect growth because....well, once upon a time I abandoned Sims 3 and eventually peeked back in in hopes that the expansions made it worth playing, and I'm sure people are doing that with this game too. Those probably aren't new customers to the Sims franchise, but more often it's probably old returning fans that were livid at release of Sims 4 and are now hoping that the new packs make it tolerable."TheGoodOldGamer;c-16294989" wrote:
Saw this on Twitter this morning:
https://twitter.com/EA/status/958761839206133760
What is FY 18Q3..? (I'm not surprised by the way, Rodiek already stated Sims 4 had a rocky start)
p.s.: Sorry, happens to me often, staring at something in complete confusion, then think 'heck, I'm gonna ask' and as soon as I have, bingo, I get it: federal year 2018 quarter 3. Not that I totally understand now, cause that means from July 1, 2018 to September 30, 2018. That's like... in the future...?"JoAnne65;c-16295125" wrote:
"TheGoodOldGamer;c-16294989" wrote:
Saw this on Twitter this morning:
https://twitter.com/EA/status/958761839206133760
What is FY 18Q3..? (I'm not surprised by the way, Rodiek already stated Sims 4 had a rocky start)
p.s.: Sorry, happens to me often, staring at something in complete confusion, then think 'heck, I'm gonna ask' and as soon as I have, bingo, I get it: federal year 2018 quarter 3. Not that I totally understand now, cause that means from July 1, 2018 to September 30, 2018. That's like... in the future...?
FY 18Q3 means financial year 2018 third quarter. Financial year 2018 started on April 1 2017 and ends on March 31 2018."JoAnne65;c-16295125" wrote:
"TheGoodOldGamer;c-16294989" wrote:
Saw this on Twitter this morning:
https://twitter.com/EA/status/958761839206133760
What is FY 18Q3..? (I'm not surprised by the way, Rodiek already stated Sims 4 had a rocky start)
Fiscal year 18, quarter 3.
The fiscal year basically just means EA determines for themselves what counts as a year and has a point where they start cranking out numbers on what they earned in the past year. For some companies it aligns perfectly with a normal year on December 31st, some others count the first friday in January as the end of the fiscal year (if I remember correct, anyways), and some others might consider something like June 23rd the "New years" of their fiscal year. It's not a traditional New Year, but rather EA might consider January 10th the end of 2017 due to how their company operates. The fiscal year is always named after the year it ENDS in, so fiscal year 18 implies their fiscal year did recently end in January.
Quarter 3 would be the third quarter, and I'm actually glad you picked up on that because it potentially downplays that statistic even more. It explicitly states only the third quarter has seen this boost. If we go off the assumption their fiscal year ended in January (since I have no definite proof but that seems to align with everything I know about fiscal years), then this means their quarters started one month later than usual. Quarter 3 would then be the months of August, September and October.
That doesn't seem right because they hardly release anything in August, September or October. Have ANY of the years Sims 4 has developed for released major packs in those months? It's also possible that even though it ended this January, it ended on January 1st, in which case we'd have the more traditional quarter of July, August and September.
In either case, Q3 would be one of their least active quarters regardless. It basically means the Stuff packs of those quarters saw a 35% sales increase over past years. One might argue that this can be used as a reasonable sample to represent sales increases of all packs since a 35% increase in a humble stuff pack must speak for something, but it's also odd that the data makes an effort to explicitly state it's just Q3 that saw such increases. Q4 would be the quarter that releases Expansion Packs while Q1 and Q2 traditionally release Game Packs.
Perhaps the thing to take away is....as I said, percentages are more flattering when you have nothing to begin with. If my company sells 10 products in an entire year and this year I sold 15, I can tell people my company saw a whopping 50% growth in sales. That they've more or less cherrypicked their LEAST active quarter and brag about 35% growth is probably very telling that the others aren't seeing this level of growth. Sure, the community is probably seeing growth all the same (I doubt these random forgettable stuff packs in Q3 would see such growth if the community wasn't growing), but overall it's likely a far cry from 35% year over year for the entire game at all times.
EDIT: What's got me curious is the comment "The Sims™ 4 player base grew more than 35% year-over-year and delivered the highest performing expansion pack to date during the quarter." The wording there is strange. To me it implies the Expansion released during Q3, but that makes no sense. If they're going by the system where their fiscal year ended in 2018 so it's fiscal year 2018, we're in January, so it's impossible for Cats and Dogs to land in Q3. Either I'm misunderstanding something, he was simply saying as an additional caveat unrelated the the 35% year-over-year portion that Cats and Dogs sold better than any other expansion pack to date, that Cats and Dogs outperformed all other EA expansions of it's economic quarter, or he's referring to whatever released during Q3 as an "expansion pack."
I think either I'm misunderstanding something or Cats and Dogs selling better than other expansions was simply an additional caveat and wasn't meant to sound like Cats and Dogs was in Q3. Probably the latter because it would make sense in the sense that for them, Q4 (the one with Cats and Dogs in it) probably just ended, so he probably meant that quarter they just finished rather than Q3 from the previous comments.
Could also be that he's referring to their console release. Wasn't that in Q3? Wouldn't really be a surprise though if the console release beat former expansion sales, so would be kind of a weird thing to praise the game for.
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