why I think adding a hot tub to base game was a good thing

I agree with that statement. I love a bit of variety personally and the new one has some lovely swatches. It'd be lovely if it meant more coming in another pack too. I remember this happened a fair bit in Sims 3, actually. The bunk beds came out with Generations, then they came out again in the Store, University, Supernatural and Into the Future. A few other features did the same. At least there was variety <3

I mean yeah

this gives me hope for possible heart hot tub or in ground tub or something like barrel hot tub so there is that

I just wish they were base game to begin with if they were going to do this

perfect patio feels like it lacks furnitures now since the grand feature is in base game

In TS3 the packs were set up differently. Things weren't exclusive to a theme for a pack. They were able to reuse objects in that way. TS3 store though was different. The premium game play items there were not replicated in the game expansions.

If they wanted to re-create that business model, 6 years in isn't the time to do it. I personally didn't have PP and hot tubs would have been my only reason to buy it. Thanks to them, I don't have to now. That's my 10 bucks out the window and likely a lot of other people too so I struggle to understand from a business perspective how they figured that this was a good idea?

They specifically said that the premium items in stuff packs would be limited to those. It's the main reason most would buy those packs. The rest of the pack doesn't offer anything else that isn't already in the game. I feel like stuff packs in TS4 are basically the premium items like TS3 store, except a tad more expensive because they're bundled with other CAS/BB you may or may not want. At least with the store, you could cherry pick and customize to your liking.

Hot tubs maybe should have never been locked behind a stuff pack, since TS1 and 2 they were base game. However, they made that choice and they should have stuck with that. Personally I am glad to have it, but I do feel like people were ripped off and that really isn't fair.

well I like that they added photography to the base game because of how much they added to it later
I would really like to see more things like that and I own every pack

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I mean, like yes... but also no? And if they keep on adding hot tubs in everything else, then what is perfect patio gonna be? Hot tubs were supposed to be the gameplay feature in that.

These are the buy mode stuff from there.
https://sims-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/objects2.jpg

I gotta say that couch is still one of my favs tho... So pretty. And the counters. Thank God for the counters. XD They should call this The Perfect Counters cuz those counters are my fav. LOL.

We need more contemporary counters, that's what.

It shouldn't be their marketing/development tactics to develop such item. Plus, it seems like a huge slap for those who bought the pack just for this item (even the pack logo is a hot tub!). Imagine if this is going to be a norm where perhaps, soon, they might give us a free Murphy bed, or Ice Cream maker? However, if they think that it's about time to phase out the pack, why won't they just give it for free to everyone or perhaps sell it at 75%? If they really want to improve the experience for such game play, they should added in a specific patch for specific pack.

"DeKay;c-17399292" wrote:
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I mean, like yes... but also no? And if they keep on adding hot tubs in everything else, then what is perfect patio gonna be? Hot tubs were supposed to be the gameplay feature in that.

These are the buy mode stuff from there.
https://sims-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/objects2.jpg

I gotta say that couch is still one of my favs tho... So pretty. And the counters. Thank God for the counters. XD They should call this The Perfect Counters cuz those counters are my fav. LOL.

We need more contemporary counters, that's what.

well they could make things like hot springs and hot tubs that aren't above ground
and as why they would still by this pack
I think they'd buy it because they like how those hot tubs look :) @DeKay

"comicsforlife;c-17399323" wrote:

"DeKay;c-17399292" wrote:
https://media.tenor.com/images/c89515889edfb79250e7159d5d3915e5/tenor.gif

I mean, like yes... but also no? And if they keep on adding hot tubs in everything else, then what is perfect patio gonna be? Hot tubs were supposed to be the gameplay feature in that.

These are the buy mode stuff from there.
https://sims-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/objects2.jpg

I gotta say that couch is still one of my favs tho... So pretty. And the counters. Thank God for the counters. XD They should call this The Perfect Counters cuz those counters are my fav. LOL.

We need more contemporary counters, that's what.

well they could make things like hot springs and hot tubs that aren't above ground

Yes, they could. I think one of the gurus said around the time of the release of Perfect Patio that they could do other variations of 'hot tubs' possibly in future packs, but the normal hot tubs is exclusive for Perfect Patio.

"comicsforlife;c-17399323" wrote:

and as why they would still by this pack
I think they'd buy it because they like how those hot tubs look :) DeKay

But how about all of us who have already bought PP? It kinda feels weird cuz we are just left with the other stuff.

"xamira99;c-17399313" wrote:
It shouldn't be their marketing/development tactics to develop such item. Plus, it seems like a huge slap for those who bought the pack just for this item (even the pack logo is a hot tub!). Imagine if this is going to be a norm where perhaps, soon, they might give us a free Murphy bed, or Ice Cream maker? However, if they think that it's about time to phase out the pack, why won't they just give it for free to everyone or perhaps sell it at 75%? If they really want to improve the experience for such game play, they should added in a specific patch for specific pack.

Agree! They should just throw their "For TS4, we will add cool gameplay objects for these stuff packs like never before in previous games!" into the dustbin.

"DeKay;c-17399330" wrote:

"comicsforlife;c-17399323" wrote:

"DeKay;c-17399292" wrote:
https://media.tenor.com/images/c89515889edfb79250e7159d5d3915e5/tenor.gif

I mean, like yes... but also no? And if they keep on adding hot tubs in everything else, then what is perfect patio gonna be? Hot tubs were supposed to be the gameplay feature in that.

These are the buy mode stuff from there.
https://sims-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/objects2.jpg

I gotta say that couch is still one of my favs tho... So pretty. And the counters. Thank God for the counters. XD They should call this The Perfect Counters cuz those counters are my fav. LOL.

We need more contemporary counters, that's what.

well they could make things like hot springs and hot tubs that aren't above ground

Yes, they could. I think one of the gurus said around the time of the release of Perfect Patio that they could do other variations of 'hot tubs' possibly in future packs, but the normal hot tubs is exclusive for Perfect Patio.

"comicsforlife;c-17399323" wrote:

and as why they would still by this pack
I think they'd buy it because they like how those hot tubs look :) DeKay

But how about all of us who have already bought PP? It kinda feels weird cuz we are just left with the other stuff.

but I do like how the hot tubs look in pp so I'm glad I bought them @dekay