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3 years ago
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Which laptop is better for Sims 4?

Hi there,

I am looking to buy a new laptop to run Sims 4 (all expansion/game/stuff packs plus a hefty amount of CC). At the moment I am considering

https://www.argos.co.uk/product/9611342?clickPR=plp:1:34

laptopsdirect.co.uk/refurbished-dell-inspiron-16-plus-7610-core-i7-11800h-16gb-512gb-rtx-3050-1-a2-cmgk2/version.asp

https://www.currys.co.uk/products/asus-zenbook-14-um425qa-14-laptop-amd-ryzen-7-512-gb-ssd-grey-10240183.html

Are these any good and if so, which one is best? If there are any better options out there please do let me know 🙂 Obviously the lower the price the better, but max budget is around £800.

I am currently using HP Pavilion 15, (8GB RAM, Intel Core i5-4200U, Intel HD Graphics Family) and I can no longer play the game it is so slow.

Thank you in advance!!

  • puzzlezaddict's avatar
    puzzlezaddict
    3 years ago

    @f9p4i29f6297  Loading times are determined by CPU speed and drive speed and RAM, both the speed of the memory and the amount up to a point.  That point is basically the enough/not enough dividing line, and 8 GB should be enough as long as you don't have a bunch of other apps open at the same time.  That includes bloatware installed by the manufacturer, especially on a laptop, and I'd suggest getting rid of all the excess pre-installed apps just as a matter of course.

    Windows itself only uses about 2 GB RAM, maybe a little more if you're running 11 and not 10.  The rest is taken up by other software, both the manufacturer-provided bloatware and whatever you install that sets itself to start with Windows.  I don't allow either—no manufacturer bloatware and nothing gets to start on its own—and Windows 10 uses 2.0 GB memory immediately after I restart my computer, and only about 2.5 at most if I've been running it for a while.

    Having said that, RAM is very cheap right now and very easy to upgrade, even on a laptop, and especially on a gaming laptop because the manufacturers expect that most users will want to.  (I believe they sell laptops with 8 GB anyway to keep costs down and because some users will install 32 rather than 16, but that's a separate discussion.)  Buying another 8 GB would still keep you under budget, and it's also not something you'd necessarily need to do right away.  But you can't upgrade the processor or graphics card, and upgrading the storage can be much more of a project.

    Point is, as long as the computer has enough memory, the loading speed is determined by the processor and the drive.  All these CPUs are fast enough for it not to make a difference.  All the laptops have NVMe solid state drives, and while there's some variation in absolute speed among the different models, it doesn't actually make any meaningful difference to Sims 4.  If you were loading from an HDD, it would be noticeably slower, but that's not the question here.

    Once you're in-game, lag is caused by the game itself and/or the processor.  True lag is a delay in something happening, so anything from sims pausing before responding to commands to the interaction menu not appearing right away to the game just seeming to stop for a few seconds.  If the CPU is running at full capacity, that can cause this lag, but more often it's the game engine.  All these processors are more than powerful enough to not be the problem; you'd need to be doing some heavy multitasking, for example installing a major Windows update, at the same time to see any real hit on performance.

    What players often refer to as lag is actually low framerates or delays in rendering, both of which can be caused by the game engine but are mostly based on the graphics card.  Low fps makes the game seem choppy or stuttery, especially when moving the camera, and a delay in rendering an object is pretty obvious when you see it.  The reason I strongly suggested a dedicated graphics card is because the integrated chips are not capable of rendering enough frames per second to make Sims 4 (all packs included) look and feel smooth on ultra settings even before you start adding custom content.

    Technically, the processors in the second and third laptops you linked are stronger than the models in the laptops I linked, but I doubt you'd see much more than a percent or two difference in the game's loading time.  What you'd definitely notice is needing to turn your graphics settings down to get smooth gameplay.

    By the way, I learned yesterday that when someone has a lot of mods and custom content, suppressing the pop-up at the Main Menu that lists the mods and cc can lessen loading times by a considerabe margin.  Try it out and see what you think.

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  • @f9p4i29f6297  I see everything (on this forum, at least).

    Anyway, of the three, the second is clearly the best because it's the only one with a dedicated graphics card.  To give some perspective, you could run Sims 4, all current packs included, on ultra graphics settings with an Nvidia GTX 1650, which is twice as fast in gaming as the fastest integrated graphics chips, including those in the other two laptops you've linked.  A 3050 (not ti) is around 30% faster in gaming than a 1650, and a 3050 ti is about 10% faster than the non-ti variant.

    Point is, if you want to play on ultra settings and leave room to accommodate the demands of future packs, or just high-resolution custom content, you'll definitely want a dedicated graphics card.  The only argument against it would be if you needed a lightweight laptop—the models with a dedicated card tend to be somewhat more expensive.  But barring that, you can easily get a sub-£800 gaming laptop that can handle ultra settings.

    The Dell option is fine, but I'd hesitate to buy a refurbished laptop when you have other options that are just as good, not to mention a bit cheaper.  For example:

    https://www.argos.co.uk/product/2002484?clickPR=plp:2:38

    https://www.argos.co.uk/product/5028427?clickPR=plp:9:38

    https://www.hp.com/gb-en/shop/product.aspx?id=6P0W4EA&opt=ABU&sel=NTB

    The last one has a regular 3050, while the first to have the faster ti, but the build quality is a little better in the first one.  The other two aren't terrible; I'm just saying there's a bit of a difference.  They should all do great though.

    Actually, I finally got Amazon U.K. to cooperate (it doesn't like that I live in the U.S. and won't show me a full list of products), and speaking of lightweight laptops, I found these two:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-Prestige-A12UC-044UK-Notebook-i5-1240P/dp/B09RPVDK99?th=1

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-Prestige-A12UD-036UK-Notebook-RTX3050Ti/dp/B09RPV72FX

    They're the same laptop; the only difference is the 3050 ti vs. non-ti.  The laptop isn't better than the ones above, but it is lighter, in case that's a consideration.

    If you have more questions, please feel free to ask.

  • f9p4i29f6297's avatar
    f9p4i29f6297
    3 years ago

    That's so helpful - thank you! Just so I understand, is it the graphics card that will make the difference to loading time, lag etc of the game? I had been thinking it was processor + RAM hence why I was looking for a better processor/more RAM than I have in my current laptop. I have read somewhere that Windows OS plus Sims will take up almost all of the 8GB RAM so it was better to go for 16GB?

  • puzzlezaddict's avatar
    puzzlezaddict
    Hero+
    3 years ago

    @f9p4i29f6297  Loading times are determined by CPU speed and drive speed and RAM, both the speed of the memory and the amount up to a point.  That point is basically the enough/not enough dividing line, and 8 GB should be enough as long as you don't have a bunch of other apps open at the same time.  That includes bloatware installed by the manufacturer, especially on a laptop, and I'd suggest getting rid of all the excess pre-installed apps just as a matter of course.

    Windows itself only uses about 2 GB RAM, maybe a little more if you're running 11 and not 10.  The rest is taken up by other software, both the manufacturer-provided bloatware and whatever you install that sets itself to start with Windows.  I don't allow either—no manufacturer bloatware and nothing gets to start on its own—and Windows 10 uses 2.0 GB memory immediately after I restart my computer, and only about 2.5 at most if I've been running it for a while.

    Having said that, RAM is very cheap right now and very easy to upgrade, even on a laptop, and especially on a gaming laptop because the manufacturers expect that most users will want to.  (I believe they sell laptops with 8 GB anyway to keep costs down and because some users will install 32 rather than 16, but that's a separate discussion.)  Buying another 8 GB would still keep you under budget, and it's also not something you'd necessarily need to do right away.  But you can't upgrade the processor or graphics card, and upgrading the storage can be much more of a project.

    Point is, as long as the computer has enough memory, the loading speed is determined by the processor and the drive.  All these CPUs are fast enough for it not to make a difference.  All the laptops have NVMe solid state drives, and while there's some variation in absolute speed among the different models, it doesn't actually make any meaningful difference to Sims 4.  If you were loading from an HDD, it would be noticeably slower, but that's not the question here.

    Once you're in-game, lag is caused by the game itself and/or the processor.  True lag is a delay in something happening, so anything from sims pausing before responding to commands to the interaction menu not appearing right away to the game just seeming to stop for a few seconds.  If the CPU is running at full capacity, that can cause this lag, but more often it's the game engine.  All these processors are more than powerful enough to not be the problem; you'd need to be doing some heavy multitasking, for example installing a major Windows update, at the same time to see any real hit on performance.

    What players often refer to as lag is actually low framerates or delays in rendering, both of which can be caused by the game engine but are mostly based on the graphics card.  Low fps makes the game seem choppy or stuttery, especially when moving the camera, and a delay in rendering an object is pretty obvious when you see it.  The reason I strongly suggested a dedicated graphics card is because the integrated chips are not capable of rendering enough frames per second to make Sims 4 (all packs included) look and feel smooth on ultra settings even before you start adding custom content.

    Technically, the processors in the second and third laptops you linked are stronger than the models in the laptops I linked, but I doubt you'd see much more than a percent or two difference in the game's loading time.  What you'd definitely notice is needing to turn your graphics settings down to get smooth gameplay.

    By the way, I learned yesterday that when someone has a lot of mods and custom content, suppressing the pop-up at the Main Menu that lists the mods and cc can lessen loading times by a considerabe margin.  Try it out and see what you think.

  • f9p4i29f6297's avatar
    f9p4i29f6297
    3 years ago

    Really really really appreciate your help and advice - thank you!

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