The Double-Haunt, Revisited

davidlwaite wrote:
I rarely double haunt unless it is an accident in some towns with lag. However those who whine about it are professional whiners, there is enough goo and frankly its not happening enough to make a difference, you will still get all your prizes if you play everyday with plenty of time to spare.

Your statement is the typical statement of those that not care. But I'll try to explain why double-haunting/unhaunting has alot of influence.

First of all, you have to realise, that when playing a game a little more than casual, you actually want to do your best. And in doing so, most games have implemented a trophy/achievement system, so too in this game, though it's known as unlockable prizes. Hard gamers tend to stretch quite high towards these kinds of goals.

Now in view of this, you and the people saying the same, has to understand that the prizes do NOT stop after you have collected all the personal prizes. We are also aiming towards getting as many free donuts as possible. This means, that when someone says something like: "why whine about it, you'll have plenty of time to reach all your prizes...", no you won't. The prizes are infinite. We have very little time to try and reach as many donuts as possible.


MATHEMATICS:

As for the other part, double haunting may happen quite alot depending on your neighbours. But just for the fun of it, lets just do a small mathematical example. Let us say you have 100 neighbours, and 10 neighbours double-haunt you every day (this may happen regardless of how active you are, unless you are on 24/7. As it's possible to check in particular towns, just waiting to double haunt when possible, and unless it's possible they just wait, or come back).

Anyway, if you have ten neighbours that always double-haunts/unhaunts, you'll lose 2 GOO for every house, and with three taps, that adds up to 6 GOO for every visit. In addition, you'll lose the 6 GOO you would have gotten, if they instead made normal hauntings. This means you effectively lose 12 GOO for each of those visits. 12 GOO times 10 neighbours, equals 120 GOO each day.

Now if you consider the length of this event, beginning the 1th of October, and ending the 7th of November that will be 38 days. But since you had to use one day to begin the event (if not speeding it), I'll put the whole length to 37 days. 120 GOO each day, times 37 days, will be 4440 GOO.

But it doesn't stop there, you also have to take into consideration that if you instead had ten neighbours benefitting you all these 37 days, they would have given you 6 GOO times 10 friends = 60 GOO/per day; 60 x 37 days = 2220 GOO during the whole event.

This means that just ten neighbours unhaunting you every day, give you an estimate of 6660 GOO in total that you could have gotten. This is 3 bonus boxes, which should equal 9 donuts (given you have the in-game cash to secure that outcome).

Now 9 donuts isn't really that much, but you have to understand that when you are gaming hard, and really trying your best to make as much as possible (as opposed to just buy everything all the time), this means something. If you have a goal and work for it, your reward usually taste good when you reach it, even if it's just something small like this.

In this example I didn't say that ten good neighbours, would probably also give you some gremlins now and then too, and if you were this active, those gremlins would benefit you quite alot during 37 days too. So possibly this could come down to perhaps 12 donuts.

Anyway, this example can give a little perspective as to how much you could lose with ten neighbours. With 20 neighbour actively double-haunting/unhaunting, you could lose out atleast the double, meaning 18 donuts. The reason I say atleast here, is that with 20 beneficial neighbours, you'd most likely have gotten quite a lot of gremlins, ascertain that would count as atleast one more donut box.

Now, to make this example a bit more complex, some neighbours may double-haunt AND leave you some gremlins, but for the purpose of this example, I have been considering double-haunters as non-gremlin givers as well.

To conclude this, I'm pretty sure most people playing this game would somewhat annoyed if they just lost let's say 10 donuts all of a sudden. Espescially those that do not want to put money into it. So perhaps this makes it a little more clear why some people react to double-haunting/unhaunting?

baylensmom wrote:

FluidEmotion wrote:

davidlwaite wrote:
I rarely double haunt unless it is an accident in some towns with lag. However those who whine about it are professional whiners, there is enough goo and frankly its not happening enough to make a difference, you will still get all your prizes if you play everyday with plenty of time to spare.

Your statement is the typical statement of those that not care. But I'll try to explain why double-haunting/unhaunting has alot of influence.

First of all, you have to realise, that when playing a game a little more than casual, you actually want to do your best. And in doing so, most games have implemented a trophy/achievement system, so too in this game, though it's known as unlockable prizes. Hard gamers tend to stretch quite high towards these kinds of goals.

Now in view of this, you and the people saying the same, has to understand that the prizes do NOT stop after you have collected all the personal prizes. We are also aiming towards getting as many free donuts as possible. This means, that when someone says something like: "why whine about it, you'll have plenty of time to reach all your prizes...", no you won't. The prizes are infinite. We have very little time to try and reach as many donuts as possible.


MATHEMATICS:

As for the other part, double haunting may happen quite alot depending on your neighbours. But just for the fun of it, lets just do a small mathematical example. Let us say you have 100 neighbours, and 10 neighbours double-haunt you every day (this may happen regardless of how active you are, unless you are on 24/7. As it's possible to check in particular towns, just waiting to double haunt when possible, and unless it's possible they just wait, or come back).

Anyway, if you have ten neighbours that always double-haunts/unhaunts, you'll lose 2 GOO for every house, and with three taps, that adds up to 6 GOO for every visit. In addition, you'll lose the 6 GOO you would have gotten, if they instead made normal hauntings. This means you effectively lose 12 GOO for each of those visits. 12 GOO times 10 neighbours, equals 120 GOO each day.

Now if you consider the length of this event, beginning the 1th of October, and ending the 7th of November that will be 38 days. But since you had to use one day to begin the event (if not speeding it), I'll put the whole length to 37 days. 120 GOO each day, times 37 days, will be 4440 GOO.

But it doesn't stop there, you also have to take into consideration that if you instead had ten neighbours benefitting you all these 37 days, they would have given you 6 GOO times 10 friends = 60 GOO/per day; 60 x 37 days = 2220 GOO during the whole event.

This means that just ten neighbours unhaunting you every day, give you an estimate of 6660 GOO in total that you could have gotten. This is 3 bonus boxes, which should equal 9 donuts (given you have the in-game cash to secure that outcome).

Now 9 donuts isn't really that much, but you have to understand that when you are gaming hard, and really trying your best to make as much as possible (as opposed to just buy everything all the time), this means something. If you have a goal and work for it, your reward usually taste good when you reach it, even if it's just something small like this.

In this example I didn't say that ten good neighbours, would probably also give you some gremlins now and then too, and if you were this active, those gremlins would benefit you quite alot during 37 days too. So possibly this could come down to perhaps 12 donuts.

Anyway, this example can give a little perspective as to how much you could lose with ten neighbours. With 20 neighbour actively double-haunting/unhaunting, you could lose out atleast the double, meaning 18 donuts. The reason I say atleast here, is that with 20 beneficial neighbours, you'd most likely have gotten quite a lot of gremlins, ascertain that would count as atleast one more donut box.

Now, to make this example a bit more complex, some neighbours may double-haunt AND leave you some gremlins, but for the purpose of this example, I have been considering double-haunters as non-gremlin givers as well.

To conclude this, I'm pretty sure most people playing this game would somewhat annoyed if they just lost let's say 10 donuts all of a sudden. Espescially those that do not want to put money into it. So perhaps this makes it a little more clear why some people react to double-haunting/unhaunting?

Your passion concerning double haunting is amazing.....but it's just a game. :wink:

Yes, I am clearly stating that in the post you referred to, and others... your point being?

Even though it's a game, some are more passionate than others, and some are playing "harder" than others. Where casual gamers don't really care too much, other, perhaps "more dedicated" players, will. That is the life of playing games. Some takes it more serious than others. There is no reason to ridicule one another, either way one is playing a game in particular. I guess both groups gets what they are after, but we play it differently. "Hard gamers" want to excel as much as possible, casual gamers are rather content to do everything mediocre, or reaching "low" goals. Atleast they are low in the eyes of "harder" gamers.

To do another parallel, you do know what else is considered "just a game" in the large picture? Every sport there is, and if you think about it, you actually see how much passion different people put in that, even others might be completely indifferent.

Or perhaps it's just my European blood making me this passionate? ;)

aljimo wrote:

Anyway, if you have ten neighbours that always double-haunts/unhaunts, you'll lose 2 GOO for every house, and with three taps, that adds up to 6 GOO for every visit. In addition, you'll lose the 6 GOO you would have gotten, if they instead made normal hauntings. This means you effectively lose 12 GOO for each of those visits. 12 GOO times 10 neighbours, equals 120 GOO each day.
.
.
.
But it doesn't stop there, you also have to take into consideration that if you instead had ten neighbours benefitting you all these 37 days, they would have given you 6 GOO times 10 friends = 60 GOO/per day; 60 x 37 days = 2220 GOO during the whole event.

You're triple counting here. You don't lose 6 for every double haunting, you lose 2. If someone double haunts, they take the 2 that were there and leave theirs. It has the same effect as them not visiting at all.

What?

I get 2 GOO for every haunted building, and if someone unhaunts my building, I don't get anything. That is 6 lost GOO. (You can unhaunt three buildings, hence 6 GOO). If that neighbour instead visited three unhaunted buildings, and haunted them instead of double-haunting, I would have gotten 6 GOO from them. That means, each double-haunting neighbour visiting me, in effect denies me 12 GOO I would have gotten with "beneficial" neighbours.

So where am I triple counting? You have to remember you get 2 GOO from every haunted building in your own town, but if YOU haunt unhaunted buildings in your neighbours town, you only get 1 GOO for each building. (If this is the source for the confusion?)

aljimo wrote:

I get 2 GOO for every haunted building, and if someone unhaunts my building, I don't get anything.

How does someone else unhaunt a building? If I tap on an already haunted building in a friend's town, it remains haunted. I get the 2 goo that was there, but leave 2 of my own, and the building now says "Haunted by the Ghosts" instead of "Haunted by aljimo".

Because this doesn't work as intended. I am sure the devs wanted double-haunting to be beneficial, but I think it's glitched. The reason I say this is because there have been some people saying the same as you, but I assure you, double-haunting does unhaunt the buildings in alot of peoples town. I have tested double-haunting in my own town, and I lose the haunting all togehter and thus the GOO.

If you don't lose the haunting when someone double-haunts, count yourself lucky. That does NOT mean others don't lose their hauntings...

If I'm honest now, with so many days left into the event I'm going to start double haunting all the so called friends who are quite happy to benefit off my visit to their SF but NEVER return the favour, it's a two way street and if you're not going to visit me despite me making the effort to visit you every single day and I do visit EVERYONE EVERY single day then I'm going to start double haunting you. It's time to get all Godfather style.

FluidEmotion wrote:

davidlwaite wrote:
I rarely double haunt unless it is an accident in some towns with lag. However those who whine about it are professional whiners, there is enough goo and frankly its not happening enough to make a difference, you will still get all your prizes if you play everyday with plenty of time to spare.

Your statement is the typical statement of those that not care. But I'll try to explain why double-haunting/unhaunting has alot of influence.

First of all, you have to realise, that when playing a game a little more than casual, you actually want to do your best. And in doing so, most games have implemented a trophy/achievement system, so too in this game, though it's known as unlockable prizes. Hard gamers tend to stretch quite high towards these kinds of goals.

Now in view of this, you and the people saying the same, has to understand that the prizes do NOT stop after you have collected all the personal prizes. We are also aiming towards getting as many free donuts as possible. This means, that when someone says something like: "why whine about it, you'll have plenty of time to reach all your prizes...", no you won't. The prizes are infinite. We have very little time to try and reach as many donuts as possible.


MATHEMATICS:

As for the other part, double haunting may happen quite alot depending on your neighbours. But just for the fun of it, lets just do a small mathematical example. Let us say you have 100 neighbours, and 10 neighbours double-haunt you every day (this may happen regardless of how active you are, unless you are on 24/7. As it's possible to check in particular towns, just waiting to double haunt when possible, and unless it's possible they just wait, or come back).

Anyway, if you have ten neighbours that always double-haunts/unhaunts, you'll lose 2 GOO for every house, and with three taps, that adds up to 6 GOO for every visit. In addition, you'll lose the 6 GOO you would have gotten, if they instead made normal hauntings. This means you effectively lose 12 GOO for each of those visits. 12 GOO times 10 neighbours, equals 120 GOO each day.

Now if you consider the length of this event, beginning the 1th of October, and ending the 7th of November that will be 38 days. But since you had to use one day to begin the event (if not speeding it), I'll put the whole length to 37 days. 120 GOO each day, times 37 days, will be 4440 GOO.

But it doesn't stop there, you also have to take into consideration that if you instead had ten neighbours benefitting you all these 37 days, they would have given you 6 GOO times 10 friends = 60 GOO/per day; 60 x 37 days = 2220 GOO during the whole event.

This means that just ten neighbours unhaunting you every day, give you an estimate of 6660 GOO in total that you could have gotten. This is 3 bonus boxes, which should equal 9 donuts (given you have the in-game cash to secure that outcome).

Now 9 donuts isn't really that much, but you have to understand that when you are gaming hard, and really trying your best to make as much as possible (as opposed to just buy everything all the time), this means something. If you have a goal and work for it, your reward usually taste good when you reach it, even if it's just something small like this.

In this example I didn't say that ten good neighbours, would probably also give you some gremlins now and then too, and if you were this active, those gremlins would benefit you quite alot during 37 days too. So possibly this could come down to perhaps 12 donuts.

Anyway, this example can give a little perspective as to how much you could lose with ten neighbours. With 20 neighbour actively double-haunting/unhaunting, you could lose out atleast the double, meaning 18 donuts. The reason I say atleast here, is that with 20 beneficial neighbours, you'd most likely have gotten quite a lot of gremlins, ascertain that would count as atleast one more donut box.

Now, to make this example a bit more complex, some neighbours may double-haunt AND leave you some gremlins, but for the purpose of this example, I have been considering double-haunters as non-gremlin givers as well.

To conclude this, I'm pretty sure most people playing this game would somewhat annoyed if they just lost let's say 10 donuts all of a sudden. Espescially those that do not want to put money into it. So perhaps this makes it a little more clear why some people react to double-haunting/unhaunting?

While I fully concur with Baylensmom that it is just a game, I do want to recognize that your dedication is commendable. I know some take it more serious than others and that is part of what makes this forum so entertaining. I just wanted to give you a shout out to the dedication you have shown and for your amazing math skill in providing this very true example (please realize I am being serious and not sarcastic)

genegenie82 wrote:
If I'm honest now, with so many days left into the event I'm going to start double haunting all the so called friends who are quite happy to benefit off my visit to their SF but NEVER return the favour, it's a two way street and if you're not going to visit me despite me making the effort to visit you every single day and I do visit EVERYONE EVERY single day then I'm going to start double haunting you. It's time to get all Godfather style.

I have to say I really understand you doing this. I have a few neighbours still not above 1000 GOO in total, and almost every building in their entire town is always haunted. In the beginning I tried my best to find empty buildings, but as it's pretty clear they aren't active, I double-haunt them I must admit. But those few neighbours in question where I do this, I am looking to replace when I happen to stumble on someone on this forum looking for active friends as well :)

@brettolmsted: Thanks. I am fully aware some might ridicule people for playing dedicated, but I really don't care too much about that, I'm not espescially insecure as a person :) As for the mathematics, it's quite easy, though I believe some would find it a bit tedious to do it. But I kind of got the impression some people didn't realise that unhaunting actually adds up to quite a bit of donuts in the end, so I felt the need to do it.

Another thing some people here seem to not be aware of, is that if you double-haunt just one building by accident, and feel bad for it, you'd have to leave 4 gremlins to make up for it... Otherwise the town-owner will still lose out on GOO. That is of course if they feel bad about double-haunting. I have the impression from this forum that most don't really care, even if they are aware someone may lose quite alot of GOO in the end if they double-haunt/unhaunt.

I swore I would never do it, but boy are those lazy friends who Never or barely visit make it hard to stick to your principles... Really if I don't remember your name and you barely have 5000 goo and I visited you almost everyday then it's really hard for me not to believe that all you do is wait for people like me to visit your town and collect the goo without you ever visiting your friends. Than my question is should I remove you or double tap you.

finagenesse wrote:
I swore I would never do it, but boy are those lazy friends who Never or barely visit make it hard to stick to your principles... Really if I don't remember your name and you barely have 5000 goo and I visited you almost everyday then it's really hard for me not to believe that all you do is wait for people like me to visit your town and collect the goo without you ever visiting your friends. Than my question is should I remove you or double tap you.

You'd be better off removing them, IF you find new beneficial and active neighbours... Hope that helps ;)

mr2085 wrote:
I tap the first three buildings I see available, haunted or not. With 100 friends to do, it takes too much damn time to fret double tapping or not. With as many of my 'friends' infrequently visited towns, it seems I have been double-haunting more lately than not. C'est la vie, I care not.

That's of course your choice, you would have been deleted by me, but I'm sure plenty of other people wouldn't have cared. To be honest I haven't deleted all my double-haunters so far, as I still want to have 100 friends, and I am pretty active right now, so they will have to actively wait to double-haunt me effectively each day.