Game Crashing After Deleting Default Royal Families - Save File Unplayable

Me too! After deleting several default royal/NPC families from the Manage Worlds screen, my save file has become completely unplayable.The game crashes consistently with a lastException error from MC Command Center ：
Recommended Action No mods were listed in the exception but you do have mods installed. Close your game, try removing handfuls of mods from your Mods folder and retry what you did when you received the exception. If the exception does not occur then the problem is likely with that mod. Check the mod download for any recent updates. Possible Cause (Confidence: 10%) dynasty_tunings Reason Exception raised while processing zone spin up sequence: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'id' (AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'id')

I read your thread in gameplay issues and wondered if it was related to what I discovered. I did try deleting all the default nobles in a vanilla unmodded new game, and on a Mac the world is still playable, but glitched by the issue I reported here.

I did discover that if you evict the nobles from their homes before deleting them, the crown menu glitch can be avoided. But whatever is keeping them persistent could still be lurking under the hood.

Until we know more about this, it is probably wise to not delete nobles at all. I suppose killing them off is an option, if you just do not want them in your game.

But other than a very few sims the game requires to function, like in Henford on Bagely and Batuu, we have always been free to delete sims at will. So this situation is new and troubling.

Especially deleting the owner of the sword in the stone, which is a game buster. It is mandatory to return that sword into the stone before disposing of the owner in any way. And if you want the owner as someone other than the sim you play, make sure the game does not cull them.

Hi rococofall​ 

I moved this to the bug forum but could you please do the following

• Create a backup of your save game
• Move your mods folder to the desktop
• Delete the following files from your user folder.
  •   localthumbcache
  •   Any lastException Files
  •  Any LastCrash files.
• Test your save (you will loose all cc on the save but since you created a backup you can go back to that afterwards) and post the complete lastException you're getting. Either copy/paste the content or upload to a file sharing site and link.

Would be good if you could also test if the same happens if you do the same on a new save game with no mods/cc.

EDIT: Also moved the posts from the multi post over.

Thank you for your reply. I disabled all expansion packs except for Royalty & Legacy, removed all mods, and created a new save file. Here is the latest lastException I received.

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<report><version>2</version><sessionid>1437eaa45038a09169948737</sessionid><type>desync</type><sku>ea.maxis.sims4_64.15.pc</sku><createtime>2026-02-17 23:26:18</createtime><buildsignature>Local.Unknown.Unknown.1.121.361.1020-1.300.000.233.Release</buildsignature><categoryid>dynasty_tunings.py:655</categoryid><desyncid>1437eaa45038a09169948737</desyncid><systemconfig/><screenshot/><desyncdata>Exception raised while processing zone spin up sequence: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'id' (AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'id')&#13;&#10;Traceback (most recent call last):&#13;&#10;&#13;&#10; File "T:\InGame\Gameplay\Scripts\Server\areaserver.py", line 130, in wrapped&#13;&#10; File "T:\InGame\Gameplay\Scripts\Server\areaserver.py", line 126, in finally_wrap&#13;&#10; File "T:\InGame\Gameplay\Scripts\Core\sims4\utils.py", line 157, in wrapper&#13;&#10; File "T:\InGame\Gameplay\Scripts\Core\sims4\utils.py", line 175, in wrapper&#13;&#10; File "T:\InGame\Gameplay\Scripts\Server\areaserver.py", line 383, in c_api_client_connect&#13;&#10; File "T:\InGame\Gameplay\Scripts\Server\zone.py", line 612, in do_zone_spin_up&#13;&#10; File "T:\InGame\Gameplay\Scripts\Server\zone_spin_up_service.py", line 1881, in update&#13;&#10; File "T:\InGame\Gameplay\Scripts\Server\zone_spin_up_service.py", line 387, in on_enter&#13;&#10; File "T:\InGame\Gameplay\Scripts\Server\world\premade_sim_fixup_helper.py", line 71, in fix_up_premade_sims&#13;&#10; File "T:\InGame\Gameplay\Scripts\Server\world\premade_sim_fixup_helper.py", line 309, in _apply_dynasties&#13;&#10; File "T:\InGame\Gameplay\Scripts\Server\dynasty\dynasty_tunings.py", line 655, in create_dynasty&#13;&#10;AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'id'rtim=0&#13;&#10;Client Session Time: 31.10&#13; &#10;Num Save Errors: 0&#13; &#10;Num Load Errors: 0&#13; &#10;Current Game State: 0x96d01090&#13; &#10;LoadingScreenActiveFlag: 1&#13; &#10;Origin Version: 13,639,0,6152&#13; &#10;Modded: False&#13; &#10;SystemInfo: Windows 10 10.0.19045 GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 32.0.15.9174, GUID: 331F4824-9B2D-11EF-BC0F-0A107BA17902&#13; &#10;</desyncdata></report>

</root>

Hi rococofall​ 

to be sure, you just delete some families and got the error again or did you do something else ?

Would you be willing to share your save with me ?

If so, upload it somewhere like dropbox, googledrive or OneDrive and PM me the link.

The only thing I did was go to 'Manage Households', delete all the new expansion pack's default families, and save. After restarting the game, the error occurred when trying to load that save. No other actions were taken.

I want to follow this issue. I wanted to delete the noble families but after learning about this issue, I am sticking with simply evicting them, until we learn more about this.

Thank you for reporting this issue.

So I tested your save and I'm not getting any LEs.

Questions:

• What do you mean by the game crashes with the LE ? Does the game close completely or are you booted back to the map ? You did say that's what's happening in the initial report but wanting to be sure.
• Does the error only occur with base and RL installed or did you just disable them to find out if it's a general issue or pack related