Re: Fix Bunny Hopping

@Iron_Guard8  Over the last month, I’ve tested a variety of custom controllers and until everyone has extra jump buttons, it only fuels my fire regarding bunny hopping; it’s just super unfair.  People with a standard/factory controller CANNOT jump and aim in the same manner and all we end up seeing are rich, spoiled little try-hard boys with heavy aim assist playing with a ping of 1-2 dominating little kids with less buttons on their controllers.  99.9% of these try-hards are the same who toxic taunt.

I believe the game would be MUCH busier/populated without this in the game.

It's always a bit different between console and PC so this is harder for me to judge as I use my space bar to jump. It's still a thing on PC for sure, trapping a Peashooter as almost any zombie can be extremely annoying at best as they jump like loons and spam peas at you but like some other issues, it sounds significantly worse on console.

If I’m being honest, I haven’t had that much of an issue with bunnyhopping recently. Since I don’t bunnyhop unless I’m trying to strafe a sniper’s shot, I find it easier to just aim and shoot where they’re going since I’m stable on the ground. I also haven’t come across many bunnyhoppers recently, but that could just be me. Some hitboxes, like Imp and Acorn, could stand a bit of a size increase, and thin characters such as Rose and Foot Soldier could use a little more width. I think sometimes it comes down to the capability of the player to handle the situation. 

As well as the fact that hit registration still is an issue. Get that out of the way, continue to increase gameplay stability, get a few more adjustments to aiming, and possibly increase base movement speed. If all those issues are covered I think bunnyhopping would fix itself for the most part before long.

It is definitely aggravating, don’t get me wrong, but I feel like sometimes the heat of the moment definitely gets me more riled up than the situation necessitates. If the game fixes its core mechanics better it shouldn’t be too much of an issue.

Sprinting while bunnyhopping? Don’t even get me started. The sprint hitboxes are ridiculous and the poor hitreg and aiming issues don’t help that at all. That could definitely stand some changes.

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@Positronic-Rift wrote:
Most BFN players have adopted bunny hopping to the way that they play. It's truly terrible, especially for console players who use standard controllers. Some possible solutions:

1) Increase size of hitbox for jumping characters.

2) Decrease running speed for characters who repeatedly jump (for me, > 2 times).

3) Increase walking speed enough to enable effective strafing.

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I’ve literally thought of all those remedies, too.  Thanks for the input!

Same to you, @AngryFreak2  , great suggestion.

I should add: I was being facetious and exaggerating about the bunny hoppers but it is true the majority are toxic try-hards.

What these people don’t understand (ones who abuse hopping) is that they’re not better at aiming than others, if they have a killer connection.  Rather, they have a half second to full second advantage on their opponent and when that’s the same duration as the upward or downward motion of the bunny hop, those of us with standard internet connections have NO CHANCE or hitting them.  By the time we try to adjust to their position with our crosshairs, they aren’t even “there” anymore as they appear on our screen.  

Hope that makes sense.... it’s throwing off your hit box and might as well be seen as cheating.

@Pheesley  I don’t mind jumping or sprint jumping.... map tricking is something I really enjoy, in fact.  I heavily dislike the insistent tapping of the jump button WHILE SHOOTING.  (Not yelling...😊).

I dislike the way people shooting you STOPS you now but don’t have a ton of energy regarding sprinting, jumping, etc.  I completely understand and respect all opinions regarding those mechanics but I’ll adjust to anything and be fine with it.  What I don’t like is jumping while shooting simply because you can afford a controller others cannot afford.  Couple this “technique” (cheat tactic) with stellar internet and you might as well be blatantly cheating.  

Xbox has released an official controller for this so I understand that argument but until ALL machines have default setups similar to elite style controllers, games/game-makers should do their best to keep things fair.

I wish something would be done to limit bunny hopping the same as I wish something would be done to limit rapid fire abuse, etc.

Specifically, hit boxes could double in size after 3 bunny hops or movement could be slowed.  A million remedies could fix this but nerfing everything in the game and allowing this abuse to stay makes no sense to me.

it should be like fortnite: jumping height gradually decreases for every jump until you cant jump for a few seconds.

Can you even define the movement jumping in BfN as ''bunny hopping''? The movement is BfN doesn't even come close to bunny hopping in CoD/Apex/CSGO. The movement is just simple sprinting and moving around.

Does sprinting fit in the PvZ franchise games? In my opinion, it doesn't. In BfN it's so clunky and I don't see any consistency.. GW2's movement felt much smoother..

I think they should increase the jump gap between most characters, but keep characters who need it (like acorn or shadow shroom) the same

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@Provin915 wrote:

Can you even define the movement jumping in BfN as ''bunny hopping''? The movement is BfN doesn't even come close to bunny hopping in CoD/Apex/CSGO. The movement is just simple sprinting and moving around.

Does sprinting fit in the PvZ franchise games? In my opinion, it doesn't. In BfN it's so clunky and I don't see any consistency.. GW2's movement felt much smoother..

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I really don’t care what anyone calls it (not to be rude).  Whatever you call the scenario I last described (good internet and being impossible to hit because you’re not really positioned where I see you on my screen)..... THAT has to change.

I don’t play other games for reasons such as this or I could comment on those other games.  If I played them, I would answer your question. 😊👍

Decreasing jump height after subsequent jumps are good.   That worked in COD.

Bunny hopping is not uncommon in (most)  other FPS.   Like I said before you don't need an elite controller to achieve this.   As I have done in the past, to be as competitive as my friends, I re mapped my buttons via my console.   I had to condition myself to press my bumper buttons to jump instead of A, which was not easy.   Then I was able to compete.   You can do this too, no need to be a rich kid 🙂 

@mikepal19  if it’s not default, it’s lame to me.  90% of people don’t remap, etc.

I would also like to know how to remap on PS4 and better yet, where (or what button) to assign the jump button.

Let’s try not to turn this thread into an argument about controllers. 🤦🏼‍♂️

EDIT: again - I don’t play other games.  Can’t relate.

Food for thought:  those other games are trash to me because of mechanics and other conditional perks (such as bunny hopping).

@spIash_damage Not many people remap their buttons because it's hard to overcome the muscle memory you develop on which button jump is. But i WANTED to learn it cuz I was pretty much outclassed and couldn't buy the controllers they had. I looked up the controllers they wanted me to get and there were so many upgradable options, I didn't want to pay that much for it, even the most basic was like 160 or something at the time. Here are options that I used to overcome this

• Bumper jumper configuration for controller
• Stick and move configuration for controller
• Playing  claw style (where you use your right pointer finger to pressthe jump button and your right middle finger to fire) 
• Get a cheap paddle mod (collective minds).  You attach this to where the battery it's and it gives you 2 paddles in the back where you can assign any buttons to it
• Buy one of those off brand controllers that already have buttons in the back (these are generally cheaper than official controllers).  You can buy these at best buy. 
• Buy those expensive controllers (I used offerup app to find someone near me whoo was selling it for only 80 bucks,  practically brand new) 

Remap via console (on xbox), go to settings,  devices, controller, and you can assign it there.  I don't know how to do it on ps4.  For bumper jumper, you assign the jump button to LB.  For stick n move,  you would assign it to the right stick burton.   Actually, I don't think you can do this once on xbox (I forgot).  I remember this might have been the configuration you can only do it in game.

Lastly, I understand why you would think this mechanic is trash, but it is a normal standard in other fps games.  And I know you don't play other games,  but that's the reality.   There' are distinct movements in EVERY shooter games that causes a skill gap in its community.  To be competitive, you HAVE to learn it and get good with it.  If you don't want to be that competitive then you don't have to learn it.   

Sorry for the long post again lol.  Anyways i'm always willing to help anyone who wants to learn it 

Edit:  btw im not arguing, don't worry lol

@spIash_damage Not many people remap their buttons because it's hard to overcome the muscle memory you develop on which button jump is. But i WANTED to learn it cuz I was pretty much outclassed and couldn't buy the controllers they had. I looked up the controllers they wanted me to get and there were so many upgradable options, I didn't want to pay that much for it, even the most basic was like 160 or something at the time. Here are options that I used to overcome this

• Bumper jumper configuration for controller
• Stick and move configuration for controller
• Playing  claw style (where you use your right pointer finger to pressthe jump button and your right middle finger to fire) 
• Get a cheap paddle mod (collective minds).  You attach this to where the battery it's and it gives you 2 paddles in the back where you can assign any buttons to it
• Buy one of those off brand controllers that already have buttons in the back (these are generally cheaper than official controllers).  You can buy these at best buy. 
• Buy those expensive controllers (I used offerup app to find someone near me whoo was selling it for only 80 bucks,  practically brand new) 

Remap via console (on xbox), go to settings,  devices, controller, and you can assign it there.  I don't know how to do it on ps4.  For bumper jumper, you assign the jump button to LB.  For stick n move,  you would assign it to the right stick burton.   Actually, I don't think you can do this once on xbox (I forgot).  I remember this might have been the configuration you can only do it in game.

Lastly, I understand why you would think this mechanic is trash, but it is a normal standard in other fps games.  And I know you don't play other games,  but that's the reality.   There' are distinct movements in EVERY shooter games that causes a skill gap in its community.  To be competitive, you HAVE to learn it and get good with it.  If you don't want to be that competitive then you don't have to learn it.   

Sorry for the long post again lol.  Anyways i'm always willing to help anyone who wants to learn it 

Edit:  btw im not arguing, don't worry lol

@mikepal19  so you’ve been standing steadfast in an argument based on a technicality that doesn’t exist?  You CANNOT remap a button like you’re describing.

As far as helping, I’d love to see more videos of your gameplay but only BA.

@spIash_damage  are you sure you can't remap buttons?   I've personally done it before and a quick Google search would also help. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.howtogeek.com/254132/how-to-remap-your-xbox-one-controllers-buttons/amp/

There's also a link at the bottom on how to remap your ps4 controller also. 

And yes, I'll gladly post some BA videos when I get back (lol).  I tried it a while back when you told me to try it out.   I did well but there wasn't enough good competition given how long I had to wait per match, so I just stopped.   I'll probably play more now since it's ranked. 

So what type of BA videos did you want to see exactly?  Any particular character or just any in general.  

@mikepal19  How about you start a thread for your pro videos and remapping tutorials and we can leave this thread to discussion regarding bunny hopping?

Btw my initial comments about videos was in response to you requesting them.  But yeah I'll stop talking that and make a thread about it in the future. 

Anyways, my whole point is that bunny hopping can be done by ANYONE regardless of what controller you have, so it is a level playing field IF YOU WANT IT TO BE.  If you choose not to learn it because "it's not the default" or "I'd rather die than to bunny hop, " then you should accept the situation. 

I closed the skill gap against bunny hoppers because I didn't want to be at a disadvantage.  I learned it, THERE'S NO EXCUSE.