Re: “Anti-recoil controllers are NOT cheating.”

Ok, after reading through this thread I am convinced the vast majority of players complaining about cheating are just butthurt gamers that can't accept there are a lot of players out there better than them with better aim and control. Yes there is cheating, I have seen videos of aimbots and it is a legit thing but the strike pack does NOT allow average players to be S tier let alone God tier and if you are constantly getting clapped by controller players when you are using a mouse and keyboard then they are just significantly better than you as a controller's bit of aim assist still pale's in comparison to the advantage you have with a M&K. 

I have experienced both scenarios. First I have always always played on console and was intimidated to learn M&k. But I started practicing with it and after 2 days I was doing things I couldn't even come close to doing after 2 years of practice on controller in this game. And even though I have never before played FPS with on a mouse my aim was just as deadly if not better. Aim is only one of many parts that make a player great anyway, so a great player with all around good skills will wax an average player that has a bit of aim assist any day all day. Aimbot is a different beast all together and the scrubs trying to infer controller players have built in aimbot are just venting because they are losing constantly. How do you even know they are on controller anyway? I bet most times you just get beamed and then have to blame it on something because either: A) you can not beam someone like that therefore they must be cheating or B) you are just frustrated and are looking for excuses to feel better about your abilities. Honestly SBMM is most likely what is causing your frustration because once you get good it is throwing you against better and better players, and some of them are very good. But that does not mean they are cheating. Millions of people are playing this game. Many are playing hours and hours every day, they are going to be very good at it. 

Lastly I want to talk about the strike pack. When I started playing apex I began on xbox. However my gf got heavily into the game as well and only had a playstation so I decided to switch consoles but did not have a pro controller. I was in walmart one day and saw a strike pack having no idea what it was but thought it was only like 30 bucks for some paddle attachments I should try it, not convinced it would work. To my surprise the paddles worked wonderfully and I was amazed that I was able to save a nearly a couple of hundred dollars on a pro controller. HOWEVER soon the strike pack started getting random disconnects and I suffered may deaths and losses due to my controller disconnecting on me so I eventually bought a scuf anyway. Now when the disconnects started happening I started researching the product more and was blown away by the fact it could use scripts and a plethora of people were crying about cheating. So me being like many of you getting frustrated at times wanting to blame people for cheating instead of me being outplayed I decided to delve deep into this stike pack mods and test if it was really why everyone was beaming me. Long story short, recoil is very easy to control on weapons after hundreds if not thousands of hours of playing so the recoil control is blown WAY out of proportion. All the top players are lasers with their favorite guns anyway. The recoil mods also only allow you to use it on a couple of guns at the same time and you have to switch recoil patterns if you pick up different guns. This means that yes it will help some average to poor players be better with a couple of guns but they have to go around looking for it. Though for good players in a game that values movement it is just too cumbersome and takes too much time. I would rather be able to pick up any gun and do work and push every moment rather than look for specific guns or hide somewhere for a few seconds to switch gun profiles. And If i was only going to use one or two guns, after hundreds of hours you should be beaming people anyway and not even noticing the recoil. I barely even feel recoil on the 301 and 99 anymore as they were my favorites to use. Rapid fire did work and i can see that being a real problem against the hemlock and that is probably the one biggest advantage. yes you can shoot the hemlock as fast with twitchy fingers but it is difficult to maintain the same level of control while rapidly pushing the fire button. And aim assist mods were a bit of a joke as all i noticed was my screen shaking around. So in conclusion I realized that all these players probably were not cheating but most were probably just better than me and if I wanted to be better than I needed to put in the time. And then remember the disconnects I was already dealing with. Overall it was just not worth it. Most likely you guys, especially console players are not getting beamed constantly by cheaters, your probably getting beamed by people that spend hours every day playing the game. 

On one note though, I am not condoning the use of these scripts. Even though I found it not overly useful and surely not going to make average players on par with great players there is always the possibility that some great players looking for a competitive edge are exploiting these scripts to do what is not possible without them. And in other games it is a much larger issue. For example in NBA 2k21 with the use of the scripts it is common where players are using these scripts to get perfect release jumpshots every time and because of the way the game treats the significance of timing it completely ruins the experience for people going up against these cheaters. The script in that game can actually make an average player as good or even better than a good/great player not using the scripts. 

PODERINGPUGALIST, so you pretty much admit to use Strike Pad and try its added aim assists and no-recoil functions, even if its just to try it/test it.

And i`m supposedly to believe you are not using them any longer or just use it for paddles?

And i`m yet to believe that the hundreds of videos on youtube ad Strike Pad, Cronus(zen/max and so on) and now there is a new device, calling Winter something, that is even more powerful are not existing? And every single one of this clips is watched more than 10k. times, and guess how many of this peoples are using it?

I`m yet to believe that somehow so many console players are becoming Pros in a no time, they come from nowhere and in a nick of time they are getting absolutely top level at one of the hardest FPS games out there ? You know i stop believing in Santa long long ago. So many people are using Apex Xin as well, so saying that aim assist is not a super powerful is just ridiculous. Everyone with a sense of skill knows how powerful aim assists is. Every pro who is on MnK is talking about it. And even the best MnK players are losing to a controller players.

And they are even adding a stronger aim assists and literally no-recoil.

And can we stop with the nonsenses that recoil is so easy? Recoil on Apex is one of the hardest recoil, not because of the recoil pattern, tho there is a lot of guns with a lot of horizontal recoil, that are pretty much impossible to match, but the main reason is movement, bullet spread, bullet drop, million different distances(depends on it, its kick differently), as well as the different optics, and most importantly movement.

Its one thing to stand still and memorize the pattern, but its completely different when you have to deal with so much movement, on hand your movement and on other, enemy player movement, and you have high speed movement, and you also have to perfectly be able to tracking, which require a lot of years.

And just because you are playing 10 hours a day, that doesn`t mean a thing. This is not how you get good actually, and improve. You will diminish your return and mostly overtrain and will get stuck. Its not like i`m not having ninjas that playing for 10+ hours a day Apex exclusively, and i`m destroying them with my 1.5 hours of aim/movement training at day(and i`m not touching Apex).

As far as you are somehow better in just 1-2 days of MnK use over a 2 years of controller i will just said, than you are just not good with controller at all. Getting a top(not world class) Aim is a very very hard task, and require a lot of years in hard practicing, not just mindlessly playing a X game.

Still i`m very open to see that with my own eyes.

Recoil is a big thing, and totally change the way you approach the aiming in Apex Legends. Guys like ShivFPS who have 111k and its 100% legit, as well as Hakis, and Reps(just to mention a few), guys spend so much time playing, improving and try to get better at everything, you can clearly see their recoil, you can clearly see it, when they are trying to shoot really fast, when they chasing and how they lose the recoil, which is normally, no matter your skill level, and how the recoil kicks at certain distance with certain range, as well as how bullets are going, as well as when they are "airborne" and recoil kicks very hard, and yet you have players that for some reason this laws aren`t working for them. Somehow they have insane aim movement, they are lifting their mouse big time, they are doing all the flashy stuffs in the world(which will 100000% mean you will lose the recoil way way more often), and they somehow have absolutely no-recoil at all.

And again its not just an Apex problem. Warzone is absolutely filled with so many cheaters atm, its not even funny.

Everyone with a sense of brain, not just a rage cheat kid, who are going blatant, will know how to hide his cheat, and to looks legit.

Every single time someone is saying recoil is super easy to control, and its not a thing i just remember this streamer, and how he is saying, i`m just good at controlling the recoil. I`m just good. And everything would have been fine, if he wasn`t f****** up and showing his Engine Owning, trying to prove he ain`t running any cheats on his Task Manager ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A63Td6qeyc

BTW there is thousands of no-recoil, soft cheats sites for Apex and Warzone, and they are claiming, that their "software" hasn`t been detected from the very beginning, and they have thousands of people using it, as well as top streamers. And just to clarify this, this is their words, not mine.

I have a few conversation with some of them, because i was so suspicious of some people, and they just prove my point.

The thing with Console or lets said it controller cheats, its they are devices, and good luck detecting and banning them.

The guys that are selling such devices, are the same that are selling different controllers for example. And even they promoting them for their stuffs like lowering recoil and stronger aim assists and so.

But you can`t do a ****, because they will just say, we are not telling them to use them in multiplayer game, but in SP for example. :D

And there is 1 more thing, if you play on console, not controller on PC, but on Console i think they are not banning Console players. :D

And there is some new stuffs coming. There is Apex Xin, which trick the system you are on controller, when you are on MnK, and so many other stuffs like X-Ray and so on.

And yeah from what i`m seeing they are banning just the blatant ones.

Usually Anti-Cheats work this way:

1.Signature detection

2.Stat analysis

3. User reports

The thing you said is right, but for them to put the cheat on their EAC database check, and ban it everytime someone run it, they need to get the signature of the cheat, but that is a difficult thing. They have to find the cheat and buy it. :D
And the Cheat developer seeing their cheat is getting detected, will just mod it, and good luck. 

Thats why todays private cheats(even the cheap one) are with subscription, and they are constantly "improving/changing" them.

I`m thrilled with how many forums there is out there for cheating in Apex, Warzone and other games. And threads in there are with 50-100k. views.

I just looked a thread in reddit, and one guy just show a screenshot(won`t post it, cause EA will delete my post) on a forum and first 5-6 thread, and all of them have insane amount of views ....

The main problem is the new cheats/devices are so smooth and its super hard to say if the guy is cheating or not. And if a skilled player is using it, its literally impossible. He will use it on toggle, and on it, when he is in the need of it or so.

The way i see it, they are banning the blatant ones, but they are doing nothing with it, cause they are on a new acc in the very next 2 minutes ....

They are actually doing absolutely nothing.

And the reality is they just don`t care. Removing every single cheater will mean way less player base, which will also mean less money for them ....

FPS games currently are in a real bad state to be fair.

I like so much Apex and Warzone, and both games are so hard infested, its not fun playing anymore. All the hard work you put on aim trainers, training Ingame, FR and so on, its just so frustrating.

What is accepted or not, doesn`t matter, and no one give a ....

At the end of the day people are making money of it, and they are going to get every thing that is giving them some advantage to get a bit more views and more subs.

You know who Nitro Luke is ? He is a streamer, and the guy say that 80% of the pro player/streamer are cheating, and he was dead serious :D

While ago a Fortnite Pro was caught(i don`t remember how exactly, its either he messed up or he openly said it) using mouse macros. And guess what happen? He said that everyone on high level is using them. But they shut him quite fast ofc. :D

BadBoy Beaman are exposing so many streamers for cheating on Warzone, its not even funny. But somehow all Apex streamer are clean, yeah until someone as Badboy Beaman shows on youtube and start exposing them. ;D 

But at the end of the day people that are watching streamers they want flashy stuffs, they want no-scopes, constantly high kill games, they want insane pulls off and so on.

And then we end up with so many cheaters. Regular kid watch streamer, he doesn`t want to spend 12 hours a day to get to that level(eventually or so) and he is using cheats. :D
But still this is a player base, still cheaters are spending money on cheats, they will spend in the game as well.

And removing all cheaters, will mean that the game population will be lower, as well as they would lose a lot of money cause it, and also they would have to spend a lot of money for battling the cheats, which is absolutely lost battle anyway.

This ain`t a good business, tho Activision and EA have made billions out of this games, and they still doesn`t have a solid anti-cheat, and bang average dude like Tufi is playing with them ....

And while i don`t care so much about the aimboters, cause they are so obvious i wanted to heard a stance about Console device cheats, that are so popular and non-stop some new are coming, as well as the obvious no-recoil macros, but till to this day not a word.

ANTI-RECOIL is ABSOLUTELY CHEATING. Anyone who says different is probably because they are cheating themselves. 

I’m honestly sick of people arguing for their use of anti recoil, and trying to justify it.

I’ll provide a REAL WORLD example so these children can understand, it’s like if you were to enter a Bicycle Race, like the Tour de France, & having an ELECTRIC MOTOR powering the bike, you are using a system that no one else is using in a competitive setting.

This is supposed to be a competitive pvp game, which means it has to have rules, otherwise one team will just DEMOLISH every other team. Making the game no fun for anyone other than the cheater.

Video:  First player banned for controller mods

Your correct, I've researched this issue in the past. While they can suspend accounts, it is an issue with the issue arising from the controllers, making in undetectable. Where on pc, if the cheat were to be found. Your video card would get flagged and no coming back to the game. Seemingly anyone traveling with built in ESP and Heavily Aim Assisted exploits are rampant in all FPS games, since cross platform has been introduced. The best times, is when "Pro" players, bring the crutches to events and the team can't put up the skill needed at live events and are shunned by promoters after being caught. 

Cheater controllers are fully undetectable online. There is no communication between LIVE or Network and our modded controller. You will not get banned for using them during game play.

Spectate and you'll see people look at the ground then quick snap to a seemingly innocuous location then does it a couple more times. They are ESPing where the other people are and running like a fly to * to aim bot a victory. That * gets old, and how is that entertaining ruining the skill aspect of the effort for a reward of a script is performing its assigned task. Only so fun being unstoppable with zero skill on the community these people make lasting connections at. Before long, those 150 dollar controllers will have the exploit exposed be I doubt the developers are going to warn the cheaters when the goose gets cooked.  

It happened a few years back, in H1Z1 the developer found a overly exploitable issue and banned everyone using it. Then perpetrators only recourse was they had the option to beg the dev's over twitter with apologies and good deeds to be invited back.  

https://www.gamestop.com/gaming-accessories/controllers/pc/products/cronus-zen-controller-adapter/221448.html?gclid=CjwKCAiAgbiQBhAHEiwAuQ6BkvF3KMBw5P6QGb0Vg0AQmFVqhnn-gEE7v6yoGTXRzN554m2F3P0unBoCNuoQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds what I am referring to is the cronos system