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Ok, after reading through this thread I am convinced the vast majority of players complaining about cheating are just butthurt gamers that can't accept there are a lot of players out there better than them with better aim and control. Yes there is cheating, I have seen videos of aimbots and it is a legit thing but the strike pack does NOT allow average players to be S tier let alone God tier and if you are constantly getting clapped by controller players when you are using a mouse and keyboard then they are just significantly better than you as a controller's bit of aim assist still pale's in comparison to the advantage you have with a M&K.
I have experienced both scenarios. First I have always always played on console and was intimidated to learn M&k. But I started practicing with it and after 2 days I was doing things I couldn't even come close to doing after 2 years of practice on controller in this game. And even though I have never before played FPS with on a mouse my aim was just as deadly if not better. Aim is only one of many parts that make a player great anyway, so a great player with all around good skills will wax an average player that has a bit of aim assist any day all day. Aimbot is a different beast all together and the scrubs trying to infer controller players have built in aimbot are just venting because they are losing constantly. How do you even know they are on controller anyway? I bet most times you just get beamed and then have to blame it on something because either: A) you can not beam someone like that therefore they must be cheating or B) you are just frustrated and are looking for excuses to feel better about your abilities. Honestly SBMM is most likely what is causing your frustration because once you get good it is throwing you against better and better players, and some of them are very good. But that does not mean they are cheating. Millions of people are playing this game. Many are playing hours and hours every day, they are going to be very good at it.
Lastly I want to talk about the strike pack. When I started playing apex I began on xbox. However my gf got heavily into the game as well and only had a playstation so I decided to switch consoles but did not have a pro controller. I was in walmart one day and saw a strike pack having no idea what it was but thought it was only like 30 bucks for some paddle attachments I should try it, not convinced it would work. To my surprise the paddles worked wonderfully and I was amazed that I was able to save a nearly a couple of hundred dollars on a pro controller. HOWEVER soon the strike pack started getting random disconnects and I suffered may deaths and losses due to my controller disconnecting on me so I eventually bought a scuf anyway. Now when the disconnects started happening I started researching the product more and was blown away by the fact it could use scripts and a plethora of people were crying about cheating. So me being like many of you getting frustrated at times wanting to blame people for cheating instead of me being outplayed I decided to delve deep into this stike pack mods and test if it was really why everyone was beaming me. Long story short, recoil is very easy to control on weapons after hundreds if not thousands of hours of playing so the recoil control is blown WAY out of proportion. All the top players are lasers with their favorite guns anyway. The recoil mods also only allow you to use it on a couple of guns at the same time and you have to switch recoil patterns if you pick up different guns. This means that yes it will help some average to poor players be better with a couple of guns but they have to go around looking for it. Though for good players in a game that values movement it is just too cumbersome and takes too much time. I would rather be able to pick up any gun and do work and push every moment rather than look for specific guns or hide somewhere for a few seconds to switch gun profiles. And If i was only going to use one or two guns, after hundreds of hours you should be beaming people anyway and not even noticing the recoil. I barely even feel recoil on the 301 and 99 anymore as they were my favorites to use. Rapid fire did work and i can see that being a real problem against the hemlock and that is probably the one biggest advantage. yes you can shoot the hemlock as fast with twitchy fingers but it is difficult to maintain the same level of control while rapidly pushing the fire button. And aim assist mods were a bit of a joke as all i noticed was my screen shaking around. So in conclusion I realized that all these players probably were not cheating but most were probably just better than me and if I wanted to be better than I needed to put in the time. And then remember the disconnects I was already dealing with. Overall it was just not worth it. Most likely you guys, especially console players are not getting beamed constantly by cheaters, your probably getting beamed by people that spend hours every day playing the game.
On one note though, I am not condoning the use of these scripts. Even though I found it not overly useful and surely not going to make average players on par with great players there is always the possibility that some great players looking for a competitive edge are exploiting these scripts to do what is not possible without them. And in other games it is a much larger issue. For example in NBA 2k21 with the use of the scripts it is common where players are using these scripts to get perfect release jumpshots every time and because of the way the game treats the significance of timing it completely ruins the experience for people going up against these cheaters. The script in that game can actually make an average player as good or even better than a good/great player not using the scripts.
Eh. I will provide this for reference— not to boast:
I’m currently top 30 in the world on console for headshots. I have a decent grasp on what good players are doing regarding aim. I know A LOT of people in Masters and Pred who have literally admitted to me that they are using strikepack macros.
This isn’t a “we’re sour because people are better” convo. This is a “people are literally using unfairly methods to get an advantage” convo.
- E9ine_AC5 years agoHero+@Axs5626Sxa5001 Finally someone tells it how it is.
@PODERINGPUGALIST the tos clearly states third party applications are not accepted in the game to gain an advantage over others. They are removing a mechanic everyone in this game is suppose to endure. Therefore they are granting them self a advantage over others using macros and or devices.
I did not even have to read but the first couple sentences to see you have no idea what you speak of. A lot high rank people use devices or recoil removing scripts. Its a shame its a mockery they split in the face of everyone of us legit players. - 5 years ago
What is accepted or not, doesn`t matter, and no one give a ....
At the end of the day people are making money of it, and they are going to get every thing that is giving them some advantage to get a bit more views and more subs.
You know who Nitro Luke is ? He is a streamer, and the guy say that 80% of the pro player/streamer are cheating, and he was dead serious :D
While ago a Fortnite Pro was caught(i don`t remember how exactly, its either he messed up or he openly said it) using mouse macros. And guess what happen? He said that everyone on high level is using them. But they shut him quite fast ofc. :D
BadBoy Beaman are exposing so many streamers for cheating on Warzone, its not even funny. But somehow all Apex streamer are clean, yeah until someone as Badboy Beaman shows on youtube and start exposing them. ;D
But at the end of the day people that are watching streamers they want flashy stuffs, they want no-scopes, constantly high kill games, they want insane pulls off and so on.
And then we end up with so many cheaters. Regular kid watch streamer, he doesn`t want to spend 12 hours a day to get to that level(eventually or so) and he is using cheats. :D
But still this is a player base, still cheaters are spending money on cheats, they will spend in the game as well.And removing all cheaters, will mean that the game population will be lower, as well as they would lose a lot of money cause it, and also they would have to spend a lot of money for battling the cheats, which is absolutely lost battle anyway.
This ain`t a good business, tho Activision and EA have made billions out of this games, and they still doesn`t have a solid anti-cheat, and bang average dude like Tufi is playing with them ....
And while i don`t care so much about the aimboters, cause they are so obvious i wanted to heard a stance about Console device cheats, that are so popular and non-stop some new are coming, as well as the obvious no-recoil macros, but till to this day not a word.
- 4 years ago
ANTI-RECOIL is ABSOLUTELY CHEATING. Anyone who says different is probably because they are cheating themselves.
I’m honestly sick of people arguing for their use of anti recoil, and trying to justify it.
I’ll provide a REAL WORLD example so these children can understand, it’s like if you were to enter a Bicycle Race, like the Tour de France, & having an ELECTRIC MOTOR powering the bike, you are using a system that no one else is using in a competitive setting.
This is supposed to be a competitive pvp game, which means it has to have rules, otherwise one team will just DEMOLISH every other team. Making the game no fun for anyone other than the cheater.
- Eshshshss4 years agoSeasoned Ace@SILVERisSORRY yeah but same as in TdF also here people use cheats :D good example.
We just don't like to learn, loose and many are ready to go to the other side just to win.
Plus if you think about it - it was said that streamers earned up to 100000 USD for those crazy bronze to pred marathons done in <3 days... I don't earn that much in like 7 years or something.
Would I cheat if fanboys would give me such money - sure. Plus not that people can sue you for hacking.... - 4 years ago@Eshshshss GREED is a powerful ally, and a deadly SIN.
- Eshshshss4 years agoSeasoned Ace@SILVERisSORRY fake it till you make it is more suitable when talking about Apex stars in my opinion.
p.s. I was amazed how people didn't mass unsubscribe during TSM imp's stream where he openly commented that he will do any challenge from his subs because it makes him more money than latest tournament earnings... <- that's the greed part of that. Sorry can't find this video as my history browsing is constantly cleared and I don't really follow this Apex God, just randomly popped into that stream for whatever reason back in the days (probably thought that it will teach me recoil control, rotations, or something else). - pandareno19994 years agoHero+
- CCbathwater4 years agoSeasoned Ace@pandareno1999 **** him! But he made it easy anyway, having Xim in his name. 😂
- Eshshshss4 years agoSeasoned Ace@CCbathwater indeed and probably that's the only way Apex detected the hack given otherwise his footage is no different from any top streamer to be honest - same dead on not moving crosshair which of course you gain after lifetime of practice in the firing range after which you can master even havoc or devotion without turbocharger and control every bullet...
https://youtu.be/2Z4m4lnjxkY - 4 years ago@Eshshshss As someone who understands how game mechanics work, my knowledge as a Mechanic (with an Associates Degree), Gamer, & Customer Service Technician, all culminates in me having an Extraordinary Eye for detail, & sixth sense, when it comes to spotting things that are out of place.
I’ve been watching a lot of different streamers or content creators out there, and im not going to name names, but I think I know with 99.9% certainty that there is a Popular YT’er that is using cheats. 🧐 - Eshshshss4 years agoSeasoned Ace@SILVERisSORRY that's all good and you should share your info somewhere e.g. make a youtube video breaking down the person's gameplay. That will definitely make a community better.
Also, I think that people (especially fanboys) don't even need a degree or experience in the field, they just need a bit of common sense, critical thinking, and the ability to ask questions like:
a) how common is this particular skill say perfect recoil control
b) do you know someone who can do it or who knows someone who can do it
c) ask these people for advice and see if it works
d) be critical to the advice given - evaluate if there is no result how much is it "you" factor e.g. not practicing enough and how much it might be that the advice given was just crap e.g. play 10h on daily basis = quit your job, life etc.
e) see if the person who gives you advice does the same e.g. what are the odds that the streamer who streams 6-10h per day actually does spend extra 2h in firing range practicing recoil
f) compare your progress over time - if you do the right things over time you should become better e.g. one season you get gold, next platinum, over time your should become also diamond and higher. If you hit the wall again see what competition does and how/can you close this gap
etc.
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