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Re: I think I'm going to quit Apex, here's why...

@AREYOUSITHREOUS

Nothing you said about Apex matchmaking is wrong. It IS infested with smurfs, it does NOT work well, the experience IS brutal. But here follows a few quick observations:

I feel like there is an inconsistency between the way you describe yourself as a "casual player" and then acknowleding that you're a diamond tier player.

"Having to lose almost 20 times before we can clutch up a dub is just something I don't care to continue to do." One win in twenty could actually be interpreted as high-functioning matchmaking. Not without taking other metrics into consideration, but this still puts your win rate in line with the average casual player. Though still not convinced that description fits you....

Ah, now we come to the stats. The career wins would tell me more if I knew your total matches played. Either way your k/d, career AND seasonal, are what I would call healthy. If you're breaking 1.0 then you're doing something right, especially with the high-skill lobbies you're getting lately.

You used the phrase "non-impressive stats" and I have to say again: they're only non-impressive when compared to the top 2% of players who are legitimate master/pred players and/or outright cheaters. Of which, as you noted, this game has more than a few.

Yes, the matchmaking in this game is imperfect. It never has been perfect, or even close, in any game I've ever played.

It looks to me like you're experiencing some of the fundamental flaws of multiplayer gaming. Namely, over time it becomes easier and easier to burn out on the game. It also becomes far more likely that, as you get to know the game intimately, that you get less tolerant of its quirks. It also becomes far more likely that, as you put more hours into the game, you begin to expect to feel subjectively as if you're getting better at the gameplay. When in fact skill-based matchmaking is designed to make you feel subjectively as if you can only barely keep your head above water. This describes best what I'm reading in your post. You're not in any way wrong for this to be your take away (it's mine as well), but I'm also not convinced that sbmm is doing anything to you that it isn't doing to everyone, or that it's doing anything that I would qualify as fundamentally unfair. That said, it sure would be nice if they would develop an algorithm to detect smurfs and then instantly bump their mmr so they get NO cakewalk matches at all.

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  • AREYOUSITHREOUS's avatar
    AREYOUSITHREOUS
    New Scout
    3 years ago

    Recon,

    Thank you for your reply.

    Apologies for leaving out total Matches played. I have 10.8k games in the books. I really do appreciate your take on this, and it does give me a little bit of perspective. I took a day off of Apex so I can properly gather my thoughts on the game and try not to be subjective before I submitted this post. However, it seems like my frustrations with the game still outweigh developing a clear and objective point of view. I'm going to have to agree when you said, "...but I'm also not convinced that sbmm is doing anything to you that it isn't doing to everyone, or that it's doing anything that I would qualify as fundamentally unfair." I have to consider the skill ceiling in this game as a challenge. Perhaps I am not a "casual" player like I claim to be considering that I do devote a lot of time to Apex, but I don't care enough to be a part of that 2 percent. I'm just looking at this as far as having to play a game where I don't want it to be easy but not feel like my improvement progress is for nothing having to experience the fundamental flaws of multiplayer gaming. Objectively speaking, almost any multiplayer FPS game (BR/non-BR) will have its unique characteristics and player base that make it difficult and frustrating. I don't think any other FPS game is easier if I decide to retire and play say CoD or something. It just seems as if we have identified the issue with evidence but rarely anything concrete has been done to resolve these issues.

    "That said, it sure would be nice if they would develop an algorithm to detect smurfs and then instantly bump their mmr so they get NO cakewalk matches at all." I think this has been done but it's not a perfected solution/strategy. It's probably why we get these waves of smurfs in our lobbies based on our stats as they move forward. It's not like a lvl 10 smurf player will constantly queue in a lobby full of actual inexperienced players. I think that what should be done is if the maturity of the account does not compare to say an account like mine with 3k hours at 1.0KD, then their accounts should be banned for smurfing. I also think that in order to mitigate Smurf usage for the purpose of boosting, trolling or cheating, they should face harsh obstacles such as not being able to rank until they reach lvl 100 or something. Anything to extend the time for them to try and make it easier for them or the teammates they desire to boost. In addition, this could slow down the amount of purchased accounts in those 3rd party websites. I feel that this could perhaps solve inexperienced players to not jump straight into ranked as well.  I just don't see why Smurfing should even exist. It just tells me that they feel capped at their level and can't handle higher elo lobbies or their main or previous accounts have been banned. Just keep them out. What do you think?

    I'm a bit hard on myself and I feel that the peak of a good stat health or the average player is classified as Diamond tier whereas the actual bell curve is Gold Tier based on previous seasons stats.  I would consider my time in the game being the result of having a 1.0 KD average. However, not at the rate where some people can achieve this in a fourth of the time that I've devoted to. Probably just better understanding, general FPS experience or being naturally gifted are some factors. My capabilities I feel, don't compare to those who can just pick up a game and be good at it. It really does take quite some time for me to be good at something. This is most likely why I believe I'm that casual player.

    Thanks again for your reply. I've also noticed that you have responded to my older posts. Thanks for coming back!

  • reconzero's avatar
    reconzero
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago
    @AREYOUSITHREOUS

    Well said, and well thought-out.

    And 500+ wins on 11k matches is a little less than 5% - nothing to sneeze at, especially if you're an "all out" player as most seem to be.

    Maybe this will help you feel a little better: I'm at 23k+ matches total, with a win rate hovering around 7+%, but only because I'm NOT an "all out" kind of player. I have a high k/d but it's artificial because I will seldom treat a match as kill or die. It's more kill until my teammates get themselves killed and then bail. The k/d would look even less impressive if you saw my kills/total matches. It's spectacularly low. If I played ranked, which I don't, my rank would maybe peak at high gold. Maybe. I just don't have the patience or the teamwork or the aim or the ambition to push that envelope.

    But what we definitely have in common is the sense that there are a good many players in this game who, when you meet them, are not just shooting back at you. They're an impenetrable wall of 95% accuracy gunfire. You don't engage them. You get vaporized by them. That tends to feel like bad matchmaking, but there are times when I hit every shot I make and have a handful of kills by second circle, and for no very clear reason that I can make out. Then, mostly, I'm getting vaporized by what look and feel like aimbotters, but are probably just well coordinated teams.

    I think @hayhor hit the nail on the head: take a break for a few days. I have an enforced break coming up and I'm actually looking forward to it.
  • I've been an Apex player since the very first season on the PS4 then switched to the PS5 & have put 570 hours in with 15.3k games played & 569 wins with 2.92k games in the top 5 & have a K/DR ratio of 1.09.I used to play BR Trios pretty much on a daily basis up until S15 where I got so cheesed of with the game I pretty much resorted to just playing Arenas & LTM modes mostly & so the majority of the stats I have mentioned have been up until the start of S15.The whole SBMM debacle Respawn finds itself struggling with has a lot to do with pitting solo queuers & pre-mades in the same lobby.When plenty of youtubers & even pro-players regularly comment on how bad the gaming experience is as a solo player in the game then you there is a big problem with the game.When devs came out with comments late last year about addressing SBMM in the game in early 2023 it turned out to be nothing more than empty words & a way of duping disgruntled players in the game.As I commented after these devs comments came out with these comments last year I said how can the game fairly or even realistically match-up solo queuers against pre-mades in the short time frame it takes to fill lobbies when Respawn can't even fix the match-fill issue that has been in the game from the start.Then add the issues of smurf accounts & cheaters who use Strike-Paks & other means to gain an advantage all of which just seems to get worse all the while the game has a useless report system that isn't worth the toilet paper it's written on.Then add to the mix the poor servers,the various bugs,perfomance issues affected by frame rate issues,input lag & hit reg problems as well as the well documented audio issues where nothing gets fixed Tbh I'm not really surprised that S17 has suffered the record low player counts it has because I've spent less time this season than any other season because of all these issues.

  • I took months off. This season has been the worst. Not the best ayer but I can hold my own. I have had 11 straight games with 000 for game states. I have never experienced the insanity like I have this season. I can't hit a target no matter how hard I try and I have tried all the tips and suggestions out there. Can't seem to compete with the teams out there. I saw a championship team with more than 160k between them. That is out of my league. So I am do e with this game. No fun, no money. Pretty simple.

  • 1-mf's avatar
    1-mf
    11 months ago
    @Conman1978 " That is out of my league." ,the biggest problem is that you underestimate yourself, you need to face this kind of players to improve your skills, if you expect from game to put you in low-skill lobbies you better delete the game. When you end up mixed with 2 bad players in pubs means you are better and game is balancing. Do not think that 50k+ kills is something insane in 2024, few seasons ago people started the trend - 10k kills per season with some legend.