Re: How will DICE deal with clan-stacking inBF2042?
@DeeCay_DK_81 Let’s get real here: Clans stack up on the same team in order to polish their K/D through easy sailing. God forbid they should engage in a balanced match…
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Btw. when I speak of clan stacking, it’s multiple clans stacking together on the same team.
For example if we have a match where 2-3 different clans, all with very good players, deliberately switch to the same team, it’s clear they’d rather be on the same side and have an easy game instead of having a more tough match fighting each other on seperate teams.
A whole clan stacking together on the same team is also problematic because, again, it creates an easy match for the clan members. I do understand the fun in playing together as a clan, it just typically ruins the match for the opponent team.
Saying “people should just learn how to play together” is fine on paper, but everyone who’s tried Battlefield knows it’s not so easy making randoms cooperate and play well together.
@VOLBANKER_PC wrote:A whole clan stacking together on the same team is also problematic because, again, it creates an easy match for the clan members. I do understand the fun in playing together as a clan, it just typically ruins the match for the opponent team.
What a clans for if not to do that? I started with BF2 with the =IMPI= clan and have not been in a clan since, we lost our server with BF3 and it all fell away, so I've had a few years joining in on my own or with a few mates here and there. But, to be honest, if I got an invite to join a clan for B2042 I'd take their arm off. You will never know the teamwork and fun that BF has to offer until you do. I really miss it.
it's not toxic, just the devs need to balance things better. It's rare for me to play on a real clan stacked server (3 or 4 full squads) so i think its a small problem. On those very rare occasions i just swap server if things are the same on the next map.
Yes this is the exact issue and I am seeing it nearly all the time I’m playing… Organised clans are grouping together on one team ONLY TO MAKE IT A EASY WIN for themselves … The balance is the key issue but the deliberate stacking is akin to stat padding which is banned in many other games .. These clans are just farming stats and kd
@BinaryNinja wrote:Yes this is the exact issue and I am seeing it nearly all the time I’m playing… Organised clans are grouping together on one team ONLY TO MAKE IT A EASY WIN for themselves … The balance is the key issue but the deliberate stacking is akin to stat padding which is banned in many other games .. These clans are just farming stats and kd
There's a clue there isn't there? If you see it all the time there is a fair chance that this is how the game should be played?
- @lzilchetl For me, a fun match is a balanced match that runs close. Sadly some people are more interested in artificially boost their K/D and ego through fighting weak enemy teams match after match.
@VOLBANKER_PC wrote:
@lzilchetlFor me, a fun match is a balanced match that runs close. Sadly some people are more interested in artificially boost their K/D and ego through fighting weak enemy teams match after match.I totally get that - but how do you square the clan concept? If you take the game seriously (as some do) then teaming up with mates is a natural thing to do. There is no functional difference except that you have more players who are familiar with each others roles and play style and they probably have good coms set up. Are we saying that these people should not be able to play? Yes, they will win if they do not face a similar team (not always though), but to be honest, back in the BF2 hay-day, everyone had a clan tag next to their name. We now have a game where lone players want to change the functionality of the game because they lose. It is, and always was a team game - by definition, we are simulating (ish) warfare, and as such the most organised teams win, and in my book that is perfectly correct.
Same argument i've heard about Warzone when Jack Fraggs, Westie, Broken Machine and Stodeh mop up BR quads. Good on them I say, they are playing the game at it highest level - that is what it was designed for. I'm by no means a great player, but I would hate to see either game dumbed-down because some players want to play without attempting to communicate with their team-mates.
- @lzilchetl Thanks for your understanding. I appreciate it 🙂 I agree it’s the same thing when it’s just 4 guys who are friends on Xbox or wherever that squads up, maybe except for clan players being more likely to use mics for chatting together and coordinating their play.
I suppose the real problem here is poor team balancing done by the game. But then again, it must be pretty hard to do this well, otherwise the devs would likely have done it long ago.
Not sure what the solution is tbh. At least one can just quit a server and find a new one. That can be annoying though, especially when you enter 3-4 unbalanced servers in a row. Then I almost feel like throwing my Xbox out the window! (nah 🙂 )
@VOLBANKER_PCI'm not saying that there are not clans who enjoy the "bullying" of gate-crashing a server on mass and, but in all of my years playing all versions, I can't say I've left a game feeling particularly abused. I think there is something about balance that could be done, as you say, but also how Dice, encourage and reward collaborative play. TBH, PTT really puts me off. I think coms should be open. I've played a lot of Warzone (waiting for 2042!), and love it when you get into a four-up with people who talk, and d'you know, I always get further in the game when that happens.
In all my years of playing solo, I have only ever seen an actual platoon stack 2, mayyybe 3 times.
In theory, a proper and more robust RSP/Community Games should help alleviate this and other problems people are facing - Platoons can initiate clan wars, players can create their own kind of Hardcore, and TTK/TTD can be tweaked with relative ease.
I know a lot of players like to be one-man armies and the lone wolf hero, but it pays to be part of a team, part of something bigger than yourself (you're almost never forced to use your mic if you don't want to either).1. Humans succeeded as a species partly because we could easily recognize "toxic" situations and then remedy or remove ; them or ourselves ; from it.
2 . What Don't Kill You Makes You Stronger - and even if you died , you're stronger 'cos you tried - Tough It Out!
3 . A Friend sees a Friend playing - I'll say Hi! / A Friend sees a Friend playing - I'll say Hi! / A Friend sees a Friend playing - I'll say Hi! / A Friend sees a . . .
4. Some 'types' of 'Very Dangerous Player' Kills you score are worth way more on the Fun Meter than say , a regular Zzzoldier you've Killed who was actually pretty clueless .
Nah , this ain't Pick An Answer - they're ALL correct .
They each apply at one point or another , or sometimes all at once .
War . . . whaddaya gonna do .
- @lzilchetl Then you have been lucky. I have seen from both sides where clans have targeted individuals and focused efforts to disrupt that individual having fun. Unfortunately DICE has no way to ban such clans as it is to hard to prove guilty.
Clan tags are irrelevant. When people want bigger squads or linking squads so even when team rebalance occurs they are not split up or want allow team switching. This is the problem is the defenders of I want to play with friends are the same as those exploit it.
3rd party comms has more impact on team performance yet the only realistic counter is the comms rose but when every this is talked about, I have seen comments like it is not needed, join a 3rd party comms or join a clan this fails to understanding why people don't want to join.
DICE needs to just fix the comms rose and start cratering to the broader community not just groups that play on 3rd party comms. One thing that people seem to be forgetting.....
We were all randoms once.
The vast majority of my friends list were 'randoms' who joined squads and played well together. Friend requests are exchanged and years later we have a core of 6-10 people who, when the mood takes us can play well.
When in multiple squads, we allow the balancer to do its thing so sometimes we are all on the same side, sometimes against but always a hoot.
I would not want to see ANYTHING that jepodises that fun.
@VOLBANKER_PC wrote:Btw. when I speak of clan stacking, it’s multiple clans stacking together on the same team.
For example if we have a match where 2-3 different clans, all with very good players, deliberately switch to the same team, it’s clear they’d rather be on the same side and have an easy game instead of having a more tough match fighting each other on seperate teams.
This is my dream for this series. An area in the game where clans are stacked on both teams so that I can always go there and participate in great matches. Also playing with a squad where we all are trying to win and realizing that the other squads on the team by how they are playing don't seem to share the same enthusiasm for achieving this goal is extremely frustrating, and is also one of the worst things about multiplayer in Battlefield. So I understand why clans stack teams.
