Re: Inconsistencies of shots

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@firemedic1401 wrote:
@Ultrasonic_77Exactly my point. A random element in a game where you adjust for many variables just to have a random outcome is broken..

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There is a random element, reducing the significance of which is a significant gameplay mechanic. I agree that my gut reaction is to be against any random element at all but it doesn't feel as bad as I'd first feared once you've developed your character a bit as I referred to above. If you can't accept this then the game isn't for you but overwhelmingly people who give the game a chance seem to end up enjoying it.

By saying the game isn't broken I was making the point that the game was behaving as intended, rather than this being something you should be expecting to see 'fixed' I'm afraid.

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@firemedic1401 wrote:
@Ultrasonic_77My character is developed a bit like you have stated twice. Just because I have a opinion on how a game should play is different then yours means it ain't for me. How do you know the game is performing as intended? Where you on the creative team? If it was behaving like intended why were the menus laggy and not awarding the rewards for 3 days. Was that intended?

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I don't work for EA so no I was not involved in the game's development. However there is in-game reference to the random element (see description of Power Drive shot making challenge in the Coaching Academy challenges) and the accuracy stat operates specifically to reduce this (referred to as the 'dispersion circle'). Maybe you could suggest you think the random element is larger than intended I suppose but it's definitely there by design.

My most recent 'random' element was that on a simple putt the ball simply veered completely left for no reason at all. The surface was smooth, the swing was smooth. The ball should have gone straight forward and does 99% of the time. Other 'random' elements see the ball aimed toward the right side of the fairway with little to no wind and the random circle showing middle to right landing to avoid water and the ball yanking left and landing in the water nowhere close to the circle.

Argue all you want, but this game has clear bugs as the later reviews and comments on this board will tell you.

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@joestevensus wrote:

My most recent 'random' element was that on a simple putt the ball simply veered completely left for no reason at all. The surface was smooth, the swing was smooth. The ball should have gone straight forward and does 99% of the time. Other 'random' elements see the ball aimed toward the right side of the fairway with little to no wind and the random circle showing middle to right landing to avoid water and the ball yanking left and landing in the water nowhere close to the circle.

Argue all you want, but this game has clear bugs as the later reviews and comments on this board will tell you.

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The game absolutely had loads of bugs, as is sadly the way with all modern games. I've not remotely suggested otherwise, and even provided a link above covering some bugs the devs had acknowledged and were addressing 

If you see examples of where you think a perfectly hit shot inexplicably deviates by more than the indicated shot dispersion then sharing videos in the bug section would be helpful. One thought though would be whether you have wind gusts on? This could be a contributing factor. As could lie angle If you hadn't considered  this.

What I'm sttring is definitely not a bug is that there is some random element to shot outcome.

I'm not sure specs should matter that much. Yesterday I hit a tee shot that showed the line going perfectly straight through the centre of the ball, club speed as perfect and backswing 0.7% short. That shot violently shanked 100 yards to the right and ended up in the water, rather than the left edge of the fairway where I was aiming. This happens multiple times every 18 holes.

In real life you don't shank a ball you hit basically perfectly. That isnt how physics works. If I shanked it fair enough, but to hit a ball perfectly straight only for it to shank violently 100 yards from its target just isn't right.

I don't like it either, and probably the main reason why most have stopped playing the game. Some Simmers want even MORE random, but even some of them hate it. When I started a second golfer, it reminded me how bad it was, the feeling it doesn't matter what you're doing, the game is taking over and sending the ball wherever it wants.  Lots of Arcade players left,  and 3 clickers too.

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@SlimDown57 wrote:
@Designated_Dave2The blue swing line that swings Back and fourth you have to click when it's in the middle. If you click left or right of the middle it goes off your trajectory.

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That blue swing line is highly inaccurate especially in Wolf Creek. When I first played, I thought it was going to be like the line in TW14, but it was so off. It improved when I got the legendary specs. When I created a second golfer to join alternate tournament, I saw how bad it was. For 3-clickers like me, the line is even worse. I needed to aim towards the rough or sand to actually get the ball to the green. It's sad that the OP was a year ago, and nothing has changed. Just reminds me of the entire lyrics of the Who song, "We Don't Get Fooled Again".

@PalomaMarvel24If they do come out with a new version for sale I would not buy it unless they heavley push they have removed RNG. It took me like 4 months to feel half-way comfortable.

Who said simmers wanted more random???

Couldn't agree more. I bought this when it first released. I was in these forums constantly. I love golf games and really wanted to enjoy this one but couldn't get down with the RNG. The game is highly inconsistent. Wind, level, rough, etc matter but when you hit a drive perfectly straight with no extra power and zero wind influence and it "somehow" goes 20 yards off track...makes absolutely zero sense. ESPECIALLY in the challenges, oh man that is infuriating.

I actually stopped coming to this forum cuz nothing was being fixed really. I only started playing the game again within the last 2-3 weeks...and here I am again complaining about inconsistencies that were never fixed. Unfortunately I don't think I'll be investing anymore money into these golf games.

Also, when it first released this forum was a tad ridiculous. If someone didn't agree with you it wasn't just, "I don't agree". It was YOU ARE WRONG and there were a certain group of folks that dang near bullied people, tell them to stop playing, that the other person was bad at the game, etc. Of course since I don't back down we would usually all get a warning or have posts deleted 😂

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@TriumphRider wrote:

Also, when it first released this forum was a tad ridiculous. If someone didn't agree with you it wasn't just, "I don't agree". It was YOU ARE WRONG and there were a certain group of folks that dang near bullied people, tell them to stop playing, that the other person was bad at the game, etc. Of course since I don't back down we would usually all get a warning or have posts deleted 😂

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OMG. I remembered those times and I remembered those gamers making the nasty “play better” posts. They were even praising the Notorious Update 3. When RNG got even stronger from later updates, these gamers joined the chorus of complaints. By update 6, I don’t see them in the forum.

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@Designated_Dave2 wrote:

I'm not sure specs should matter that much. Yesterday I hit a tee shot that showed the line going perfectly straight through the centre of the ball, club speed as perfect and backswing 0.7% short. That shot violently shanked 100 yards to the right and ended up in the water, rather than the left edge of the fairway where I was aiming. This happens multiple times every 18 holes.

In real life you don't shank a ball you hit basically perfectly. That isnt how physics works. If I shanked it fair enough, but to hit a ball perfectly straight only for it to shank violently 100 yards from its target just isn't right.

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I just don’t see this behavior in game.  Heck even when I created new toons with no stats and level 1  and gave them my old specs, I didn’t see this sort of inaccuracy…. I could still shoot -10+ in tour mode.

  some of yall are just playing a different game than me. 

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@TriumphRider wrote:

Couldn't agree more. I bought this when it first released. I was in these forums constantly. I love golf games and really wanted to enjoy this one but couldn't get down with the RNG. The game is highly inconsistent. Wind, level, rough, etc matter but when you hit a drive perfectly straight with no extra power and zero wind influence and it "somehow" goes 20 yards off track...makes absolutely zero sense. ESPECIALLY in the challenges, oh man that is infuriating.

I actually stopped coming to this forum cuz nothing was being fixed really. I only started playing the game again within the last 2-3 weeks...and here I am again complaining about inconsistencies that were never fixed. Unfortunately I don't think I'll be investing anymore money into these golf games.

Also, when it first released this forum was a tad ridiculous. If someone didn't agree with you it wasn't just, "I don't agree". It was YOU ARE WRONG and there were a certain group of folks that dang near bullied people, tell them to stop playing, that the other person was bad at the game, etc. Of course since I don't back down we would usually all get a warning or have posts deleted 😂

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I’m certainly not bullying people,  but I don’t understand the complaints about RNG as I don’t experience this in game.  People  (including myself) are shooting -18 to -25 consistently in 18 hole tournaments.  This doesn’t happen if people aren’t putting the ball within 15 feet or less on every single hole.   

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@7AnimalMother wrote:

 

I’m certainly not bullying people,  but I don’t understand the complaints about RNG as I don’t experience this in game.  People  (including myself) are shooting -18 to -25 consistently in 18 hole tournaments.  This doesn’t happen if people aren’t putting the ball within 15 feet or less on every single hole.   

You certainly have strong opinions, but I wouldn't say you are bullying anyone.

Not that I play this game anymore but I always found there was significantly less RNG if you stayed out of the overswing area. Which makes total sense to me.

The game has a lot of issues, but being difficult to score low isn't one of them

From what I’ve experienced, the way you configure your skills has a definite impact on RNG. I have a player set up as follows:

driving power level 4

driving accuracy level 10 (max)

driving control level 10

approach accuracy. Level 10

approach control level 9

approach recovery level 9

short game accuracy level 10

short game accuracy level 10

short game recovery level 9

putting level 9

at this power level power drive and power approach are not available.

With these settings, by utilizing specs that aid control and accuracy, and by staying away from overswings, RNG is reduced substantially; not eliminated but close. Essentially i find it a non-issue.

I have another player with enough power to have power drive and power approach, but the RNG is a greater and border line problematic.i can’t drive quite as long as the big guns, but I’m not 30 yards behind.

Not sure, but increasing the control level on all shot types seems to make the most difference. Bottom line is that you CAN influence performance by adjusting skills and specs.

From what I’ve witnessed in online play, most people seem to want to max out power to hit 350(ish) yard drives. You can only get sufficient power to do that by sacrificing accuracy and control values. Initially I had a player with max power and the RNG was insane; I had the same experiences that I’ve seen others post on this forum.

it’s up to each player how much pain you can stand in exchange for power.

Notwithstanding, i don’t think there should be RNG at all for Arcade play.  I don’t play that myself, but did on TW14 and when you are in that mode, you want no deviation; you’re trying to shoot birdies/eagles on every hole. Arcade players should not have to deal with randomness. probably this should go for pro also.

If you don't care about daily quests and challenges, you can get away with lots of RNG. But those quests and challenges forced you to overswing to make long drive. And they forced draw and fade advanced swings too, giving really weird result in high winds, with balls sometimes going against cross wind. I would prefer no RNG with punishing rough and bunker, rather than RNG with minimal to no punishing rough and bunker like right now.

There is nothing wrong with having RNG in a golf game. It just should have been done with a scalpel rather than a butcher knife.