Re: F1® 24 [Megathread] Handling Feedback after patch 1.3

@starkiller68282No problem see below. Additionally I'm using a controller for info. 

Silverstone setup (Race)

Steering rate 110

Steering lock 320 degrees 

Aerodynamics
Front wing 30
Rear wing 30

Transmission
On throttle 50
Off throttle 40
Engine breaking 100

Suspension geometry
Front camber -3.50
Rear camber -2.20
Front toe out 0.00
Rear toe in 0.00

Suspension
Front 41
Rear 5
Front ARB 17
Rear ARB 13
Front ride height 30
Rear ride height 60

Brakes
Pressure 100
Front brake bias 55

Tyres
Front right 27 PSI
Front left 27 PSI
Rear right 23 PSI
Rear left 23 PSI

It is a little inconsistent 

@starkiller68282Yes I use both ABS and full TC. Only because of the two player career I have going since F121. We both use the same settings to a degree.

I use to have a wheel many years ago when I raced in leagues using Geoff Crammonds GP series to which it was then no TC and no assists. These days I'm just a casual player mainly.

@IanM282
I would say that just because the handling is fine for you in career doesn't mean it's good for other people's use cases. There's a large league racing community for these games and making the handling feel like crap with fast setups just means that leagues are gonna continue to struggle pulling people in.

F1 22 almost killed the league racing community entirely. I saw several thriving leagues killed during that game cycle and saw plenty others continue as a shell of their former selves.

F1 23 was an improvement but it's all relative and people were just happy to have a game that didn't feel like trash to drive.

F1 24 at launch had a solid foundation and all they had to do was fix a few small issues but with the update they somehow managed to give us a handling model that feels almost as bad as F1 22 and just because you can throw on a crap ton of rear wing and stunt on the 90 AI doesn't mean the handling is perfect. In fact, having to do that just shows how broken it actually is.

It would be one thing if it was like this from the beginning but it wasn't. We've traded one set of issues for a different and arguably worse set of issues that I think will ultimately be detrimental to the league racing community which is already struggling but has been slowly regaining users over the 23 game cycle.

I have seen at least 5 people in the leagues I run in say that if this is the handling model we're gonna be stuck with then they're calling it quits on F1. I don't blame them and I feel the same.

If codemasters only care about making a game where the cars are unrealistically hard to drive to appease the esports people at the expense of the rest of the competitive online community then I'm not interested. These cars are the pinnacle of motorsport and they have immense levels of down force and are absolutely able to take corners flat IRL that you can't take flat in the game following the update. Making the cars more realistic doesn't mean they're harder to drive and Casey Ringley even said this himself in the F1 explained podcast prior to launch. Id love to see him come in here and tell us how this update made things more realistic in any way. 

@starkiller68282
There were a few things that were off in the launch handling. You essentially couldn't exceed the lateral grip of the tyres at high speed even when turning in super sharp which is what made things look goofy as hell.
All they had to do was fix that and add a realistic upper bound to the lateral grip of the tyres. The slow speed corners and the braking were all perfect in my opinion.

What they did instead of just fixing that is completely reverted nearly everything.

The braking works how it did in previous games where you stand on them and then trail off as you turn in. In real life the drivers don't hold the brakes when they turn. When they start turning the wheel they're off the brakes completely otherwise they lock up. The tyres can only do one thing at a time and if you're using them to slow down you cant also use them to turn. Except in the game apparently where you come off the brakes as you turn

The car can't carry speed into slow speed corners like it could before.

The speed of the car doesn't seem to have a noticeable effect on the down force anymore. Pre patch you could keep your minimum speed up to maintain more down force which makes sense since the floor is what creates all the down force.

The car doesn't react in predictable ways, it's kinda random when you'll get oversteer on exits and it makes it really hard to push the car comfortably since you can't discern where the edge of grip is well enough to put the car there.

The feedback overall is muted now. Prior to the update I was able to feel the weight of the car in the corners and I could feel the suspension compress and stick in places like Degner 2 at Suzuka but now the car just feels stiff as and I can't get any feedback about what the car is doing and that also makes it hard to effectively push the limit.

Having driven a ton of single seaters in iRacing including the W13 I can say that the launch handling felt very familiar to that which should be the goal assuming codemasters wants to make the handling realistic.

@starkiller68282iRacing is certainly an investment but if you're interested in an experience that's as realistic as you can get then there's really nothing better since all the tracks and cars are laser scanned and for the W13 and the W12 the iRacing team even worked with the team at Mercedes to recreate them in the sim.

I realize that these two games have a way different audience but if codemasters is gonna spout off about how realistic the game is then I think it's fair to compare it to something that actually is realistic and when doing that there's no way they can actually think this current handling is more realistic than the launch version.