Re: Track Rate of Fire

@BalladalidilaOh i see it with flatline as well. They use G-hub or what ever program control mouse and sets a .5 mili second reclick on it. It is not a noise problem when you hear a gun fire oddly. This is flatline or 301 on single fire using a .5 setting to spam click. Fires them very fast.

@E9ine_AC 

Oh I guess its the same with Flatline but the argument is the same as with R301; bottom line is that there are no guns in this game with a higher possible rate of fire on single than on auto. A Flatline and R301 on single with a rapid fire macro will behave exactly as it would on autofire. The same recoil, the same rate of fire. I maybe am misunderstanding what you are saying, but I just  dont see what kind of advantage you think it will give a player using a rapid fire macro. 

Then ofc there are rare occasions when people are using glitches or simply hacked the game to allow them to surpass the maximum rate of fire with a certain gun, but I havent seen something like that in a long time.

@BalladalidilaWatch this flatline. 

https://www.reddit.com/r/apexlegends/comments/c3llo6/what_a_macro_does_to_single_fire_weapons_test/

@E9ine_AC 

Sure, but as you can see at 0:18 in the very video you just linked, the Flatlines rate of fire on single fire mode is IDENITICAL as its rate of fire on auto fire mode and same goes for the R301. And if you try it out in the firing range, you will see that the recoil pattern for BOTH auto fire and single fire with macro is EXACTLY the same.....

What I am trying to say is that you wont get any advantages from using single fire Flatline with a rapid fire macro, compared to using a Flatline on autofire, neither RPM or recoil-wise. So once again; I dont understand what you think is unfair with it. The only weapon I think have a slight advantage using a macro is the p2020 since you, without the macro, need to click very fast to fire at maximum rate which might disrupt your aim a bit. 

@BalladalidilaOh i wont try out macros. I have no intentions on altering the games functions to provide support. I have seen friends use it. This is not 100% manually shooting players. These are 100% macro recorded .5 ms set shooting.

Being single fire means it actually does more damage which is the point of using it on single fire for them. You deal more damage then on full auto bullet for bullet.

I do not find it to be a legit player when you have to use advantages to attempt to be good. All those players should be dealt with. Altering of a game mechanic. This allows one to deal much more damage and fire faster then the human finger can click.

The recoil is not at question here whats so ever. Its shooting a gun faster then a human can click dealing more damage. Recoil means nothing to me with that gun its using macros to shoot. With this macro set up you do not manually press your button. You hold it down and it fires the way you see. They do not click but 1 time and holding to keep it going. 

@E9ine_AC 

No, single fire with either the R301 or Flatline does not do more damage per bullet than auto fire... You must be confusing it with the Anvil receiver hop up or something. 

@MoNosDirtyGaming 

 I have tested it many times in the firing range and even if I detected a slight difference in the pattern I wouldnt say it give you any real advantages. The pattern with Flatline on auto seem to have slightly more upward kick than on single, but on single the pattern seem to be moving more horizontally. This becomes more apparent on longer range. So if anything, I would say that the pattern is easier to control on auto since vertical kick is easier to control than horizontal but thats just my opinion.

Here is a video that shows the recoil pattern for a Flatline, first one single fire and then on auto fire, just firing with no mouse movement what so ever. But anyways, Ive learned from experience that there are no point of going further into this discussion since you seem so convinced of your point of view. I am 100% sure that Flatline and R301 on singlefire with rapid fire macro does not give you any real advantage over using it on regular auto fire and you are 100% sure I am wrong so lets agree to disagree =)

PS

"On top of that I would also like to state that the comment from the link in question which was posted is completely false."

You must ofc understand that this isnt a matter of being false of true since its 100% based on your own preference. Some find it easier to hold a mouse button while aiming, some find it easier to rapidly click.

@BalladalidilaAnd that is where the differentiation occurs. You're on PC and i'm on console, we definitely have a lot more recoil lol.

Also, with single fire showing a direct pattern with no overlaps and without spinning out of control (in ex A) proves the bullets are looser the longer you spray it, and the bullets overlapping and kicking more to the left and being more tightly packed and looping (in ex B) do indeed prove it is harder to aim in auto, but the looping in the pattern does give a sort of "aim forgiveness" at long range. This also proves that the patterns are similar but they are not the same at all. This means it is a lot more predictable to spray in single fire and easily reset, thus making it easier to aim in single fire.

I thought the recoil was less for the flatline in single fire mode.

The main reason for my post is simple really. I do not like players who alter a games mechanic to gives advantages. The human finger is only capable of clicking and moving soo much. This is allowing AI to do all the clicking for you by set mass spam clicks with a .5 delay in the key press. Players should not be able to click once and hold it and turn a click fire gun into full auto on their end. We want fair game play. This means no macros altering recoil or fire rate. This is a bannable offense that I've posted even their own TOS stating it is taking advantage of a games mechanic to have an advantage over others. 

They either need to remove that from TOS or enforce it cant be no grey areas. It is either right or wrong. By their TOS its wrong. By them doing nothing at all or commenting on the subject at all means its right despite what the TOS states. 

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@MoNosDirtyGaming wrote:

@BalladalidilaAnd that is where the differentiation occurs. You're on PC and i'm on console, we definitely have a lot more recoil lol.

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Haven't played the game on Console but if you say so... . Have you played it on PC? Can you prove this or how do you know its "definitely" is the case? For most people, it would most likely take more mechanical skills to control the recoil with a controller stick than a mouse but I seriously doubt the in-game recoil is different on different platforms though.

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@E9ine_AC wrote:

The main reason for my post is simple really. I do not like players who alter a games mechanic to gives advantages.

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In principle, I agree with you. In a perfect world, everyone would play and compete with the exact same conditions and using rapid fire macros can for sure be seen in the grey area what should be considered cheating. But it my opinions, using rapid fire macros for any single fire weapons in the game wont give you that much of an advantage that I find it a problem.  For instance, playing on a 144hz with 190 constant FPS compared to someone playing on 60 hz 50-70 FPS is probably a more significant advantage than someone using rapid fire macros etc

@BalladalidilaPlease don't debate this with me, PC aim is so much easier than console aim, proven many times how you can just lazer someone from 200+m without even doing anything, console aim is awful which is why we have aim assist so heavily.

And yes I have played on PC. Controller on PC doesn't feel as smooth as it does on console. 

 @MoNosDirtyGaming 

The recoil control on PC is easier yes, because mouse is a better tool to control recoil than a controller but unless you can show me proof that the recoil pattern is stronger on console, then I think you just are BS:ing when you say that console players "definitely have a lot more recoil". 

 @MoNosDirtyGaming 

Really? You think "my mind is clearly already set" because I just dont "choose" to believe in something without proof, something that you out of nowhere claim is an accepted truth, i.e. that PC by has a weaker default recoil than Console.... Cant you see how stupid and contradictive that is? To be unsure and undecided before seeing any kind of proof is the freaking opposite of having a set mind.  You on the other hand are 100% sure about your "truth" only because you said so with your "many years as a gamer".  

And you speak about how long time you have played games as if that per se would increase your credibility in this matter.. It doesnt and only a * would be impressed by such an attempt to appear trustworthy. The question still remains: have you even played the game on PC? What real, tangible evidence are you basing this "truth" of yours, i.e that PC has weaker recoil than console, which you claim is such an accepted consensus? 

And on the same note; you think that my stats has anything to do with this argument. .. It doesnt! This isnt a matter of experience or Apex skills. Its a matter of game design, whether or not the developers increased the in-game recoil on Console or not.. But here are my stats on my current main account  and my first main account (changed main since I got Heirloom on my alt) and as you can see, I have close to 20k kills since the games release. Not as if it matters but such things seem important to you.

But anyways, lets end this discussion. If you want to live in a make believe world where you think that the default recoil on PC actually is weaker than on Console than I couldnt care less. I bet you also convicted yourself that 25% in every lobby hacks aswell

@Balladalidila lmao, again proving my point, stats have EVERYTHING to do with this discussion; you know absolutely NOTHING about recoil in the game, just assume. You didn't even recognise the direct correlation between stats and recoil knowledge, I have to also put this in bold so it doesn't go over your brain and you can recognise it's supposed to stick out from the rest of the paragraph. I love how you had to make a smurf account and turn it into your main just to get the 4k badge btw, real creative. You expect me to just "believe in something without proof"? Exactly, all your paragraphs are condescending as hell. I would also like to clearly state you expect proof for claims but yet when I ask for proof for your skills based upon your knowledge of recoil you seem somewhat insulted and think it has nothing to do with anything and then go the extra step and insult me? lmaooo. The fact that you had to post two accounts also proves that you don't have more than 10k kills max, the other ones probably your friends. "Prove it". Stick to your long range engagements where you only get kills and don't bother telling me to "prove it".

No, I suggested your "mind was set" because you straight up called my opinion "BS". If you know all about gun recoil patterns, then this would also very easily suggest that you're a top tier player because you'd also be able to adjust very easily per season and realise which guns are top tier, thus allowing you to have a higher ratio compared to other players, but you don't. Especially with that lousy 2.0kd, I bet you wholeheartedly struggle to kill an entire squad solo without assistance because your accuracy is as bad as your recoil knowledge, this is also why LIFELINE is your main and you can only third party fights.

You forget being able to control your DPI via mouse, you also forget that aiming is much more accurate on PC. Mouse gives you more control. That's not up for debate. There is so much more customization that can go into KBM that it'd be shocked to hear anyone try and argue the other side of it. People straight up call using KBM via an adapter on consoles cheating because they have such an advantage. That's the whole reason auto aim exists, to cushion the accessibility gap.

IF YOU ACTUALLY READ THE FULL POST YOU WOULD HAVE READ WHERE I SAID I HAVE PLAYED ON PC, THERE IS A REASON WHY I HAVE A CUSTOM BUILT GAMING PC WHICH I HAVE BUILT MYSELF BACK IN 2012 WITH PARTS UPGRADED SINCE AND VERY VIABLE FOR GAMING IN 2020. SOON TO BE UPGRADING TO A 3080TI, you want a picture of my full desk too as proof? Need me to write "MoNo" on a piece of paper and slap it in the middle of the desk as well? Do you even need the forum in the background on my PC monitor? Need me to even put my ps4+Ps5 in the picture too as proof? And you talk about "being stupid".

There was a PC player a couple of months back showing how easy it was to aim on PC via M&K on reddit, in training mode using all guns and lasering from 300M away without missing a shot, he was proving how easy it was to aim on PC since at the time everyone was crying like little girls about how OP aim assist was on controller. Maybe E9 saw it but ik damn well you didn't cause you have no idea what you're talking about. Since you also want to be a smart *, there was a major problem on console with cheaters using xim etc, this died after season 4's launch, now it's back on the rise. You don't need to care if thats what you want to believe, again proving my point as to how your "mind was already set", but best believe if you're ever in any console lobbies you're getting bodied. 

@MoNosDirtyGaming 

Do you feel alright, son? Seems like you are losing it over there HAHA

Seems like you're embarrassed over your stats, son. HAHA

@MoNosDirtyGaming 

Its only you here who cares about stats. Since you think that "good" stats determine who is right and who is wrong in a debate, then I just cant help you......

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@E9ine_AC wrote:

Oh i see it with flatline as well. They use G-hub or click speed test or what ever program to control mouse and sets a .5 mili second reclick on it. It is not a noise problem when you hear a gun fire oddly. This is flatline or 301 on single fire using a .5 setting to spam click. Fires them very fast.

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@E9ine_AC Is 'spam click' okay in the game? I have been afraid of using an auto clicker that I may get banned... in fact, I am spending hours to practice and improving my click speed manually. So, is 'spam click' and 'auto clicking' the same thing, or its some other workaround?