Re: Gun Recoil

"miss a lot of your shots" That is definitively, demonstrably false, considering my Apex matches aren't hallucinations. I frequently use the R-99, and due to the camera adjustment, I experience little to no recoil even if I hold down the trigger with a level 3 extended mag. It is not uncommon for me to instantly down other players because I managed to hit them with every single bullet in the magazine. Your graph appears to display the unmitigated recoil, which means those are the alleged recoil patterns without any mechanical intervention from the input source (player or 3rd party program), which is irrelevant because not adjusting the camera per shot would be a hopelessly ineffective way to play a first-person shooter because of moving targets.

So, I'm not sure what you mean by "harder" recoil patterns. What I am saying is that there needs to be a combination of vertical AND horizontal recoil, obviously with a reasonable magnitude, so that players like me that take advantage of every last dust spec mechanic don't just automatically roll over casual players. I play Xbox and have played on PC and I don't use cheats, macros, or any 3rd party programs. It's just my natural gameplay, yet I have been reported for cheating numerous times, which I can usually predict when I land every last bullet in my magazine into moving target. The mechanics need to be improved. As for your point about range making it more difficult to laser people, that's kind of a red herring because that has nothing to do with recoil. That's bullet spread.

Also, I think you may be misinterpreting my intentions. I wasn't defending professional gamers or streamers by trying to suggest that they laser their targets because they are all fantastic at the game. What I was trying to do was explain that not every single instance of getting beamed by an R-99 is the result of cheating, but could be the result of a player that is utilizing otherwise poor game mechanics that need to be changed. Said players including myself. 

Bump awaiting clarifaction if we are allowed to bypass the games biggest mechanic using Xim G-hub and more. 

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@SugaryJuice wrote:

"miss a lot of your shots" That is definitively, demonstrably false, considering my Apex matches aren't hallucinations. I frequently use the R-99, and due to the camera adjustment, I experience little to no recoil even if I hold down the trigger with a level 3 extended mag. It is not uncommon for me to instantly down other players because I managed to hit them with every single bullet in the magazine. Your graph appears to display the unmitigated recoil, which means those are the alleged recoil patterns without any mechanical intervention from the input source (player or 3rd party program), which is irrelevant because not adjusting the camera per shot would be a hopelessly ineffective way to play a first-person shooter because of moving targets.

So, I'm not sure what you mean by "harder" recoil patterns. What I am saying is that there needs to be a combination of vertical AND horizontal recoil, obviously with a reasonable magnitude, so that players like me that take advantage of every last dust spec mechanic don't just automatically roll over casual players. I play Xbox and have played on PC and I don't use cheats, macros, or any 3rd party programs. It's just my natural gameplay, yet I have been reported for cheating numerous times, which I can usually predict when I land every last bullet in my magazine into moving target. The mechanics need to be improved. As for your point about range making it more difficult to laser people, that's kind of a red herring because that has nothing to do with recoil. That's bullet spread.

Also, I think you may be misinterpreting my intentions. I wasn't defending professional gamers or streamers by trying to suggest that they laser their targets because they are all fantastic at the game. What I was trying to do was explain that not every single instance of getting beamed by an R-99 is the result of cheating, but could be the result of a player that is utilizing otherwise poor game mechanics that need to be changed. Said players including myself. 

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You can talk as much as you want, the graphic does not lie. There is not only vertical recoil, which is what you said, this is a fact, The graph speaks for myself.

As far as the long distance - it makes big difference, its kick a lot harder and its way harder to keep it on the target.

This is our problem lasering people from 100+ meters with R99, which is because people are using no-recoil macros/script, even the pro players, that was proven.

You are a Xbox player, its totally different you have * aim assist, which  is a OP joke and everyone know this.

@xx_Dante2k_xxThey would not be banned because in theory it is actually not programs that the company would consider something to do what it does. As Hal for example. He openly leaves his G-hub open which control this for his machine. These programs are also DPI on mouse controlling programs. So to detect it can happen but the use for it can not. I need to prove nothing when its open source videos all over for you to go watch. You never wondered how these "pro" players never ever go off recoil patterns no matter the distance? If you have not wondered this then your sleeping and blind. Go watch yourtube videos of people who openly show how to use this and then tell me over half the population is not using it. In fact my very own friends use it just for this purpose. It tricks the computer into thinking the controller is the main source in reality the keyboard and mouse is and has aim assist.

For 100 bucks for XIM you can be a apex god recoil means nothing with Xim flash drive. This is the problem. If i die i wanna ensure i die to legit fair game play players. Not horrible players needing assistance with their aim. 

You kidding right ?

How many times i need to place a video for you?

Watch the whole clip, but 2:27 is enough, tho later there is plenty of obvious ones:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H141bo8Ccg4

You going to tell me this isn`t a macro for single fire mode? 

Some people may hide it well, but its obvious on a lot of them.

Go watch Hal stream, he didn`t even hide his G-hub.

Shroud was using macro for single fire and no recoil as well. There was a whole video about it. 
I`m not a waiter, you have google and youtube.

Ohhh you know just bumping a lost cause. 

Your "graphic" is irrelevant since the mechanics it refers to are easily mitigated by player compensation. If your actual complaint is that people are using 3rd party resources, then that's cheating, and you need to make a post about cheating. 

Also, your point about aim assist is fallacious, since literally everyone has it. There is a reason for aim assist on consoles, and that is because of the restricted input motion that comes with using a joystick, essentially making the player a second-hand input source, instead of a hand-sensor (mouse) which directly inputs the player's exact hand motions.

After 5 seasons, I've quit the game because of this exact issue, and the lack of acknowledgement or action by the devs. It's gone on too long, I'm tired of waiting and arguing with mindless idiots on the Internet about the fact that it even exists etc. 

I've only come back in here to say I'm having a LOT more fun playing Warzone than this bs, and that says a lot. Yes, they're different games, yes, Apex's movement is unrivalled, etc.. But this game doesn't F with you and your self esteem like Apex does actively. 

And also, importantly (for those that claim we're all salty and that cheating doesn't happen as much as we say etc), I'm spectating my killers on Warzone too, and have only died to ONE anti-recoil cheater so far. Why? Probably because they actually have a team that gives a * about it, and they actually have a "report" button. Apex took away the report option on PS4 16 MONTHS AGO ffs, and it's still gone.

Pointless game, in a pointless state. And above all else, it's just really very sad - because I honestly adore the game. I just never have fun any more, and I haven't for a year.

I played one final game the other day; died. Spectated my killer who was using anti-recoil. He died, so I spectated HIS killer who was using anti-recoil, and when he died (yup, there's a pattern here).. That was the final nail in the coffin for me. Well, that, and having an "official warning" on this forum for telling a self-confessed cheater to quit cheating or quit the game. The guy basically said "the more you spend on your computer equipment, the more entitled you are to use macros/cheat in games" etc. Needless to say, he's brainless and entitled, as are all those who agree with him or defend that stance. 

Anyway, the tl;dr:

We've simply been overrun, and the best way to fix it, is to leave all the cheaters * with/over each other whilst giggling in a big, wet circle singing Kumbaya until the game we loved dies.

bump

Hi us the players are still waiting for a response from the apex team. Kinda not right at all a topic can get this much view and not be spoken on. This is horrible imo. Not one single staff member can comment on this concern many many players have and expressed to have. This shows the care for your game you truly have. Want my money but who cares if its unfair game play as long as he gives us his money..... I will never in my life drop another dime for this game not even battle passes until you listen to players and even the ever so hard task of responding to a thread of this magnitude.

I mean no response at all. Not a single Hey guys we see your concerns and have passed it along to xx team to be spoken about among each other. I mean zero replies nothing to give us hope nothing to give us closer. 1300 + bucks i spent on this game down the drain. Other companies love my thousands I hope you do too and actually take time and talk about this concern. 

@E9ine_AC They don't care about your concerns, they never have, and they probably never will.

After the Iron Crown incident, EA most likely put a lock on developer communication. Makes sense since the developers don't see us as players unless you spend money on the game, if you don't apparently we're all just freeloaders. 

Now the only communication from the developers is on Twitter, where Respawn Entertainment can easily claim plausible deniability. Even then, they don't really respond to criticism of any sort, they just respond to the positive comments only. 

I once seen in the movie transformers a great line.. 

NEVER GIVE UP NEVER SURRENDER.

I wont give up till this is addressed. 

Yea im still here as a paying customer wishing for answers and responses to this post from staff. Over a month long topic with 9 pages for not a single staff to remotely even entertain this concern. Spit in my face why dont ya. 

I assume this means we can literally bypass your games mechanics and cancel our recoil also? Since pro's and averages are allowed to do it i suppose means we can no staff has said it is not allowed or being looked into. Openly cheating is allowed apparently. To alter the games mechanics is considered a client hack and or cheating. Yet here they are still having zero recoil using recoil scripts and macros. But i guess it dont matter huh if they streaming your game. Have you ever thought lots have left because people have god like aim using these programs and its un fair advantage to us playing legit having recoil patterns go off cause well we manually having to aim and drag. While they get to point and shoot and only follow the bodies movement. Where us normals are adjusting to moving body and keeping our recoil pattern correct. 

OPEN CHEAT I SUPPOSE HAVE FUN GUYS THEY SEEM TO BE ALLOWING IT!

Private info. :D

I won`t say a name, but i hired a pro coach, because i wanted to see if my training routine is good enough, and also had a few question about my strafing mechanics and a few other stuffs, and i also asked what is the best way to train recoil(i was training on the dummy), and the answer was literally just use macro for no-recoil, everyone is doing it. :D

It was just what i though and actually what i see from a lot of streamers. I mean i`m playing FPS game for very long period i`m a CS:GO player and i know how to keep the recoil, but in Apex movement is so much more freely, and your not standing still(crouching) when shooting to control it, but moving left-to-right, same as your opponent, and its a open huge map, with every fight being in a different distance, and recoil kicks harder on longer distances.

I for example can keep the recoil of R99 perfectly to a certain distance, but yet most streamers(tho they are not spending any time in training it), can do it in a ridiculous long range with a scope that kick really hard on a big distances, yet their gun is not moving at all, and shots are straight up on target head.

It doesn`t get more obvious then that.

I can give ShivFPS for example. He is one of the guys that is not using. I`m watching him often and he most definitely is not using single fire mode macro, and you can see how his shots sometimes goes way off, exactly because of the recoil with R99, with R301, with Flatline and with the Spitfire for example, and he is top 3 most kill in the game.

I also watch Rogue, and he most definitely is using macro for single fire mode.

I've never heard of developers reaching out to players in forums to give them information or updates. The only way I've ever known to communicate with developers has been through direct contact on social media, which would require you to know their social media handles. Even then, I am almost certain that they are instructed by their employers not provide any specific information or tabs on what is being worked on, and there are several big reasons for that. This is a feedback forum run by EA, so while Respawn employees may stop by and read through the posts, I highly doubt you're going to wake up to a reply from a senior designer giving you an itinerary of their next set of moves for the game. If you're looking for active communication, I think you're just in the wrong place. I hope this helped.

Ohh just sitting here watching streamers with 5k + viewers who are dragging their mouse a solid 7 to 8 inches at times for simple movement yet when they fire a gun it stays 100% still no recoil pattern being done on their mouse in fact some had it on very very bottom of mouse pad where if they was to even drag down it would come off the pad. But i guess this is legit game play pro's? Makes me sick

Just read a bit of this thread. I played my fair share in Season 1 and then came back recently here in Season 5. What I'm reading is really worrying if that's true, and I tend to think it is, because so many games I had people just erasing me and my teammate 2v1 in a few instants with a high RoF weapon while when I'm shooting with it the spread goes everywhere even with a good stabilizer. Of course I realise the difference between my skill and the skill of veteran players, no arguments, but getting hit by EVERY SINGLE BULLET from at R301 or R99 at 80-100 meters is not normal and it's happening really often. I can tell the difference when people just use their skill as there's a lot of stray bullets and the fight feels fairer and more fun. 

I didn't know there were scripts or macros or whatever to do that and that's really disgusting if it's true. This is cheating, end of discussion. Been seeing a few "pro gamers" having laser-like weapons too, and to think naive me believed they just learnt the recoil patterns or something (I'm no expert).

@EldritchElvis not to mention that there's quite literally random recoil for R301, R99, and Flatline. It's nigh impossible to hit every shot because of it. 3x optics on R3 and Flatline have become super popular now because it's much easier to re-sight your target once the random recoil kicks in, not to mention the fact that on R301 the randomness can literally bump your shot in any direction.