Re: Sniper Meta mistake

@reconzero Apex has never been about mid to long range since I've been playing on day 1. It's always been close to mid range with snipers being used here and there. Not sure what game you're playing brother

@espadakillar69 You clearly do not play the same game I do LMAO. You try to push a team sniping and you're dead before you get half way there or you get focused by 3 other teams mid fight since the engagement took so long to get to due to healing from getting griefed trying to close the gap.

@chiefthunderball

Guess I'm just 13 seasons ahead of the curve.

@reconzero I wasn't going to say anything but after about 25 hours into Season 14 and Vantage being added, I will give my take on her and the NEW sniper meta.

I will start by saying, I do not believe Vantage is overpowered. However - we all know that sniping is an art. It cannot just be done by anyone. One must have skills, posses skills or have learned skills in order to be a good sniper (in any game.)
One must be their own spotter, have a keen eye, scan, recon (actually look and scout for enemies.)

A sniper has always been (high skill, high reward) its the trade off for such a hard hitting weapon capable of downing someone in one or two shots....and so it should be, for people who are able, because again....not everyone is capable of being that good with a sniper. Hence the last 13 seasons with just some snipers here and there as opposed to 30 snipers a match present.

In my opinion I see Vantage's passive much like Seer's passive although it cannot pinpoint enemies through walls et cetera....so I see it as a, lets say....a line of sight hack, for lack of a better word.

Even with mid range to long range sights, a enemy depending on their distance from the sniper is miniscule, especially when the distance is long range away. The sniper still has to constantly scan to see enemies, yes even sometimes when they are out in the open...again depending on the distance. Many snipers lose sight of their enemy, especially when stationary at long range.

However, that is not the case with Vantage....all the skills I have mentioned above that have always been needed for any sniper to be good, is lost. Much like Seer, just hit a button and watch the little squares jump to all the players in their screen without having to do anything, as well as the velocity is pretty much marked for you. You can be half blind and still can use a Vantage in the Apex games. Thank you Respawn.

You have taken something that used to be high skill, high reward and turned it into - low skill high reward and even - no skill, high reward.

I am not a sniper user, ever, at all, terrible with them. I have been using Vantage a bit, when I aim down sight, a little box goes over ppl I had no idea were there, even looking through my sight, I was too far away to even see them. But....up goes a little box and shows me what I am unable to see with my own eye and gee....all I have to do is aim for the center of the square no matter how miniscule the person is and boom...enemy down. Its pathetic...I am without argument one of the worst sniper users you'll ever see - and I was clapping ppl like I was born with one in my hand.

Nobody with a high powered sniper rifle should be able to press one button and be given that much info for free without earning the skill to do so. Hence why some ppl are finding for the first time in 13 seasons, are being downed from sniper rifles from every corner of the map, even when they are not able to see far enough away to know where they are being hit from.

But at this point, Respawn's decision making on Legend abilities - this did not surprise me at all. Their ability to balance speaks for itself.

This is just what I found and feel playing since Season 14 launch.

That and for some reason, enemy footsteps are actually worse this season for me anyway....than any previous season.

Other than the above and the changes to ring 1....I like new the rest of the changes to the KC and for the most part am having a bit of fun for the first time in awhile.

@NickBeam27

Very good insight, and I'm glad to hear from people who play better lobbies than mine. I didn't realize what an impact she was having. But your sum up was perfect: "This REVEAL META has to end." Run for congress and I'll vote for you.

@reconzero I'd get fired I'm sure....I would blow all our tax money on a new audio system for Apex : )

@NickBeam27

Your post inspired me to do a couple of no-fill matches as Vantage - matches I just finished five minutes ago.

She is ludicrously over-powered. Her PASSIVE alone is enough to win me matches, though I didn't here because no-fill. I have to think that, over the coming days and weeks as people learn how to use her more effectively, even my scrub lobbies will be transformed by her presence. And not for the better. She really is a game-changer, and not in the good sense. She is the new Valk.

So I'm back to Pathfinder now, but does he ever feel like an antique now.

@reconzero Dam its 6am where I am, what time is it where you are lol?
I was thinking, dam recon is hardcore haha.

Yeah seriously i am the worst sniper ever and I was beaming people with her and never used her tac or ult. I just ran a sentinal as a main and altenator.

@NickBeam27 I just don't think its fair for someone that doesn't know how to use a sniper, and can be that good with one. It really takes skill to be a sniper player. She just takes that skill and chucks it out the window.

Yesterday my squad and I were pinned down and there were 4 different Vantages firing at us from four different corners of the map. 3 of them were so far away we couldn't even tell where they were shooting us from.

I found one and when I tried to out maneuver her, fake one way go another, reposition etc, as soon as I snuck a tiny bit of my head out to try and hit her with a shot, hoping to catch her not looking. Well, as soon as my head sneaks out a tad, I know a little box goes right over me instantly as long as she is looking roughly in my direction and before I can even hit the fire button, I was downed. I still could barley see here with a 3x sight on. too small to make out her position. It was frustrating to say the least.

@heme725 Thanks heme, i wouldnt know...but my son talks like you do about it. Kids a born sniper in all games since he was a kid. He explains it the same way as you...that thrill lining up the perfect shot, getting the hit, knock or kill. He says its the most satisfying thing ever lol. It took him along time to get as good as he is with snipers. He also finds it depleting to see, how like you said - all the work is done for you now. Seems like a slap in the face to hand fake skills to everyone, while truly talented snipers had to work for their skill. And apex moves into new uncharted waters yet again. Guess the wall hacking Seer just wasnt enough. Might need a life jacket this time around. Oooh and a hearing aid turn up to high. ; )

@chiefthunderball day one fan here! and i agree players have started using loger ranged weapons more lately, and i believe it has somthing to do with skull piercer being added back and ofc vantage. i dont have a solution but something needs to be done.